Big girl Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 So is Tiger Woods a Pioneer for his numerous mistresses...I don't remember him being praised in the media for his sinful behavior. Dont judge others because they sin differently than you do. We all subfamily and fall short of the glory ofb the Lord. You yourself said it was hypocritical for Christians treating homosexuality any worse than adultery and I agree...shouldn't the media be held to the same standard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big girl Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Dont condemn a person because they chose to sin differently because they sin differently than you do. We all sin and fall short of the glory of the the lord. The only problem that bothers me is when gays try to say it is God"s will that he/she is gay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big girl Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Sin differently then you do. I had a conversation with a friend that tried to convince me that the bible condones gay relationships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNGFan Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Why would he? What did Tebow do to deserve a call? Did he blaze a path, I don't think so.And he's the wrong color. Big girl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5GallonBucket Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I can see it now if he doen't make the team....... please go look at his stats....... sacks....3 against Ark St, 3 vs Vandy, 3 vs Florida..... all which weren't that good. 1 vs SC, 0.5 vs TAM, 1 vs OKST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMFAM10 Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I can see it now if he doen't make the team....... please go look at his stats....... sacks....3 against Ark St, 3 vs Vandy, 3 vs Florida..... all which weren't that good. 1 vs SC, 0.5 vs TAM, 1 vs OKST CO SEC defensive player of the year NICE TRY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullets13 Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 You missed my point...I was talking about you pointing out that it is hypocritical of Christians to single out homosexuality as a far worse sin than others but you seem to have no problem with the media holding up Sam as some sort of hero simply because he's gay...at the same time admitting that you yourself see it as sinful behavior. I didn't miss your point. I'm just telling you that Christians may hold themselves up to whatever standards they want, but they can't hold other groups to those standards, and if they decide to, it's foolish to be upset or surprised when those other groups fall short of what Christians would have them do. you asked me "Should the media be held to the same standard", and i'm telling you NO, they should not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullets13 Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 And he's the wrong color. I'd suggest you go click the link that westend provided a little ways back in this thread. It debunks the ENTIRE "Obama didn't acknowledge Tebow" argument as far as i'm concerned, and it certainly takes the wind out of the sails of the argument that Obama somehow has more respect for being gay than he did for Tebow being Christian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LumRaiderFan Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I didn't miss your point. I'm just telling you that Christians may hold themselves up to whatever standards they want, but they can't hold other groups to those standards, and if they decide to, it's foolish to be upset or surprised when those other groups fall short of what Christians would have them do. you asked me "Should the media be held to the same standard", and i'm telling you NO, they should not. Yes, you did miss it but I'll elaborate later. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullets13 Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Yes, you did miss it but I'll elaborate later. :) Just reread your post for the third time. If I missed it, you didn't make it. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat Posted May 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 The fact that Obama and Tebow (and Palin) attended the same prayer event doesn't exactly counter the personal phone call to Sam or the NBA player a while back. To downplay the "agenda" is either naïve or denial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westend1 Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 The fact that Obama and Tebow (and Palin) attended the same prayer event doesn't exactly counter the personal phone call to Sam or the NBA player a while back. To downplay the "agenda" is either naïve or denial. Come on mat. You are better than that. Tebow was invited to a prayer breakfast with the president. Sam got a call. Who got preferential treatment? bullets13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LumRaiderFan Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Just reread your post for the third time. If I missed it, you didn't make it. ;) As you have pointed out, it is hypocritical for Christians to condemn homosexuality but sort of wink at something like adultery...not all but some do. I also think it's hypocritical that the media can rip Tiger for his infidelity but hold Sam up to such high esteem for his behavior. Both are picking and choosing and both are hypocritical viewpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westend1 Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Apples/oranges. Tiger made a commitment to his wife and kids. bullets13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv_coach Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 I didn't miss your point. I'm just telling you that Christians may hold themselves up to whatever standards they want, but they can't hold other groups to those standards, and if they decide to, it's foolish to be upset or surprised when those other groups fall short of what Christians would have them do. you asked me "Should the media be held to the same standard", and i'm telling you NO, they should not. So you are cool with the media having a low standard ,in a free country, on telling the news? Is it right for a Christian to biased? Is it right for the news to be biased? Is it right for a Muslim to lie? Is it right for the news media to lie? Is it right for a secular non-for profit to cook the books? Is it right for the media to cook the books? So we should expect all peoples to have a high standard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullets13 Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Huh? I think the answer I can give that is- no, Christians should next expect non Christians to live up to their moral standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LumRaiderFan Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Apples/oranges. Tiger made a commitment to his wife and kids. Apples/ oranges to a liberal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullets13 Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 As you have pointed out, it is hypocritical for Christians to condemn homosexuality but sort of wink at something like adultery...not all but some do. I also think it's hypocritical that the media can rip Tiger for his infidelity but hold Sam up to such high esteem for his behavior. Both are picking and choosing and both are hypocritical viewpoints. The problem is you're attributing Christian beliefs to the media. In Christianity, it's taught both acts are wrong, but as you've stated, many wink at adultery and sex out of wedlock. In mainstream media, homosexuality and adultery are not lumped together. So it's not hypocritical when an act that is seen as wrong (adultery), is not treated the same as an act that many no longer have a problem with (homosexuality). You can't hold the media to YOUR religious standards. Well I guess you can, but don't act surprised when they don't live up to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westend1 Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Apples/ oranges to a liberal.I wouldn't expect you to realize the subtle difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenash Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Westend and Bullets- Since the both of you are lefties (at least socially) shouldnt the both of you be more "tolerant" of those who do not believe that homosexuality is acceptable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westend1 Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Westend and Bullets- Since the both of you are lefties (at least socially) shouldnt the both of you be more "tolerant" of those who do not believe that homosexuality is acceptable? I don't tolerate bigots. Cant speak for Bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenash Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 If I am understanding you correctly, then you only tolerate those that agree with you? If someone has grown up under religious beliefs that include not endorsing homosexuality, you consider that bigotry? I am just wondering if the left is not quite as objective and broad minded as it so proudly claims? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullets13 Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 If I am understanding you correctly, then you only tolerate those that agree with you? If someone has grown up under religious beliefs that include not endorsing homosexuality, you consider that bigotry? I am just wondering if the left is not quite as objective and broad minded as it so proudly claims? I don't have a problem with those who don't "endorse" homosexuality. I have a problem with those who discriminate against homosexuals or believe that they deserve less rights than heterosexuals. And as westend said, I don't tolerate bigots. I don't have a problem with people who's beliefs differ from mine, but I'll certainly argue with them as much as the next guy. Big girl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMFAM10 Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 Do you believe you'll be punished if gay marriage is fully legalized... I thought this was a free country. Some people hide behind the bible with real wicked hearts God loves all. Big girl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMFAM10 Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 Christians also had slaves. Think on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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