Quanell X to hold news conference

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Yeah I read what he said and IMO BISD doesn't need more media attention and that's exactly what x is gonna bring.

The media attention is already there, it aint going away no time soon long as the TEA is there, doesnt matter if X is there or not.

[NorthoftheBorder]

Am I misunderstanding you? X was giving your race some props. C'mon man!

Yep! You are!!  C'mon man!!

[thetragichippy]

The media attention is already there, it aint going away no time soon long as the TEA is there, doesnt matter if X is there or not.

 

So what VALUE does Quanell X bring to the situation?

 

I'm really curious on your answer.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

So what VALUE does Quanell X bring to the situation?
 
I'm really curious on your answer.

that question can be answered within the post you quoted.

[tvc184]

Somebody pdf a copy of the constitution about search and seizure. 

 

This is what the Constitution says about search and seizure. It is called the Fourth Amendment.

 

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[PN-G bamatex]

tvc beat me to it, but one thing I'll add about hearsay, since it was brought up, is that it can be a big part of establishing probable cause if properly corroborated by the circumstances of the situation and pertinent evidence. That standard satisfies what's known as the "totality of the circumstances" test, which was laid down in a Supreme Court case called Illinois v. Gates (1983). Basically, what that means applied to BlueDove's comment is that the judge who issues the warrant can do so if he feels like the sum total of the facts presented before him constitutes probable cause, a sizable portion of which can be hearsay in the form of a veracious tip under the right circumstances.

[thetragichippy]

that question can be answered within the post you quoted.

 

So you said it does not matter if he is there are not?

 

I think it adds un-needed fuel to both sides.

[tvc184]

tvc beat me to it, but one thing I'll add about hearsay, since it was brought up, is that it can be a big part of establishing probable cause if properly corroborated by the circumstances of the situation and pertinent evidence. That standard satisfies what's known as the "totality of the circumstances" test, which was laid down in a Supreme Court case called Illinois v. Gates (1983). Basically, what that means applied to BlueDove's comment is that the judge who issues the warrant can do so if he feels like the sum total of the facts presented before him constitutes probable cause, a sizable portion of which can be hearsay in the form of a veracious tip under the right circumstances.

 

 

What you call corroboration are "facts". 

 

Gates was about an anonymous tip. That is not allowed for PC unless backed up by articulable facts or facts that can be explained on paper. 

 

Hearsay is generally, "Someone told me". 

 

Like PNG/Bamakid saying, "I know that hippy is dealing dope because dove told me that he saw it". 

 

Hearsay, like anonymous tips, are not PC for anything. They are hunches based on an unproven accusation. They might give you a clue on where to look but you still have to find what you are looking for..... or facts. 

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

So you said it does not matter if he is there are not?
 
I think it adds un-needed fuel to both sides.

as far as media attention which I posted about: nope.

[mat]

I was surprised. This was one of X's more reasonable visits.

 

I never really understood the Watts termination. From what the media aired her troubles were minimal compared to others in the district. The only thing I recall was she had not paid past invoices from Pepsi. I think there must be more to the story. JMO

[BLUEDOVE3]

Yeah I read what he said and IMO BISD doesn't need more media attention and that's exactly what x is gonna bring.

I have an assignment for you. Its not a pass or fail assignment but I would like to see any previous posts of yours documenting that BISD is getting too much media attention from other groups. 

[BLUEDOVE3]

Dove, when has X ever attempted to bring the races together? One of the last things I remember about him was his threats to burn down Lumberton. Maybe I should go up and give him a big old brotherly hug.

Just like BISD is being burned down. You have to understand "slang" talk.

[BLUEDOVE3]

So what VALUE does Quanell X bring to the situation?

 

I'm really curious on your answer.

He champions the little man and his causes against Goliath.  He brings a bigger voice to the fight. People (on both sides) listen to him.

[BLUEDOVE3]

What you call corroboration are "facts". 

 

Gates was about an anonymous tip. That is not allowed for PC unless backed up by articulable facts or facts that can be explained on paper. 

 

Hearsay is generally, "Someone told me". 

 

Like PNG/Bamakid saying, "I know that hippy is dealing dope because dove told me that he saw it". 

 

Hearsay, like anonymous tips, are not PC for anything. They are hunches based on an unproven accusation. They might give you a clue on where to look but you still have to find what you are looking for..... or facts. 

Just for the sake of clarification and gentlemen, I'm only playing devil's advocate. BUT!!!!! Please give me an example of PC to raid your home and take your personal computer (s) and files, please!!! And I am only referring to Naomi's situation, only.

[BLUEDOVE3]

I was surprised. This was one of X's more reasonable visits.

 

I never really understood the Watts termination. From what the media aired her troubles were minimal compared to others in the district. The only thing I recall was she had not paid past invoices from Pepsi. I think there must be more to the story. JMO

Those are my thoughts too. What Probable Cause was initiated to raid this person's home  based on invoices not being paid? In other words, somebody at BISD "pimped, tattletaled (sp?), informed, ratted out, snitched...yall get my point....and someone or something jumped on it and ran with it. I just don't want to this to turn into more of a witch hunt on innocent people.

[Bigdog]

He champions the little man and his causes against Goliath.  He brings a bigger voice to the fight. People (on both sides) listen to him.

 

Yeah, all 14 of them.   :rolleyes:

[tvc184]

Just for the sake of clarification and gentlemen, I'm only playing devil's advocate. BUT!!!!! Please give me an example of PC to raid your home and take your personal computer (s) and files, please!!! And I am only referring to Naomi's situation, only.

The only warrant that I have been a part of drawing up that involved computers was child pornography. I have no clue what direct evidence (facts) that the FBI or USA came up with for embezzlement but you can bet it is more than hearsay or innuendo.

It might be something like an audit showed a large discrepancy (fact) and that opened an investigation. Then a subpoena for banking records showed that she opened a new account that had unexplained cash going into it (fact) considering her salary. I have heard that she had similar issues with the county government and if that is true, it is another fact. A subpoena of records might also show invoices that were tracked to an IP from her home computer (fact), etc. There could be sworn statements taken from coworkers that could implicate her (fact). Direct statements are not hearsay. Hearsay is like when a coworker might say, "Bob told me that he saw someone write a check". In that kind of situation it is the actual person (Bob) that saw the check written that has to give the sworn statement, making him guilty of a crime if it is proven to be a fabrication.

All of that is making up a scenario but it is an example of how PC is built on a set of facts that by themselves may not be proof beyond a reasonable doubt but certainly reach a level that would make a reasonable person believe that it is more likely than not that evidence will be found (for a search warrant) or a person appears to have committed a crime (for an arrest warrant)..... also known as probable cause.

Where you say that a search warrant can be based on hearsay, that is saying that a warrant can be issued on a hunch, intuition or innuendo. That simply is not true.

Remember that any warrant can be appealed and if the warrant is insufficient by not having enough evidence or if any evidence is falsified, any evidence discovered will be thrown out of court rendering the entire process a waste of time. I am guessing that the FBI and the USA aren't twiddling their thumbs wasting time because they are bored.

[BLUEDOVE3]

Yeah, all 14 of them.   :rolleyes:

Stop it!! You're only counting the reported 14 at the conference. You fail to report the impact.. For example, you forgot to count yourself and others who kept up with the event.  ;)

[AggiesAreWe]

Stop it!! You're only counting the reported 14 at the conference. You fail to report the impact.. For example, you forgot to count yourself and others who kept up with the event.  ;)

 

What event?

[LumRaiderFan]

He champions the little man and his causes against Goliath.  He brings a bigger voice to the fight. People (on both sides) listen to him.

 

Champions the little man?   :rolleyes:

 

This is a voice we don't need brought to the fight.

 

"I say to Jewish America: Get ready … knuckle up, put your boots on, because we're ready and the war is going down. … The real deal is this: Black youth do not want a relationship with the Jewish community or the mainstream white community or the foot shuffling, head-bowing, knee bobbing black community. … All you Jews can go straight to hell."

 

"[i]f you feel that you just got to mug somebody because of your hurt and your pain, go to River Oaks and mug you some good white folks. If you’re angry that our brother is put to death, don’t burn down your own community, give these white folks hell from the womb to the tomb."

[Peppermint Patty]

The only situation Mr. X "champions" is Mr. X. He is a media whore, plain and simple. He shows up where he can obtain the most media coverage. 

[BLUEDOVE3]

The only warrant that I have been a part of drawing up that involved computers was child pornography. I have no clue what direct evidence (facts) that the FBI or USA came up with for embezzlement but you can bet it is more than hearsay or innuendo.

It might be something like an audit showed a large discrepancy (fact) and that opened an investigation. Then a subpoena for banking records showed that she opened a new account that had unexplained cash going into it (fact) considering her salary. I have heard that she had similar issues with the county government and if that is true, it is another fact. A subpoena of records might also show invoices that were tracked to an IP from her home computer (fact), etc. There could be sworn statements taken from coworkers that could implicate her (fact). Direct statements are not hearsay. Hearsay is like when a coworker might say, "Bob told me that he saw someone write a check". In that kind of situation it is the actual person (Bob) that saw the check written that has to give the sworn statement, making him guilty of a crime if it is proven to be a fabrication.

All of that is making up a scenario but it is an example of how PC is built on a set of facts that by themselves may not be proof beyond a reasonable doubt but certainly reach a level that would make a reasonable person believe that it is more likely than not that evidence will be found (for a search warrant) or a person appears to have committed a crime (for an arrest warrant)..... also known as probable cause.

Where you say that a search warrant can be based on hearsay, that is saying that a warrant can be issued on a hunch, intuition or innuendo. That simply is not true.

Remember that any warrant can be appealed and if the warrant is insufficient by not having enough evidence or if any evidence is falsified, any evidence discovered will be thrown out of court rendering the entire process a waste of time. I am guessing that the FBI and the USA aren't twiddling their thumbs wasting time because they are bored.

Well, I guess thats why we hear about police raids at the wrong location or bashing in citizen's doors and not finding anything.

[BLUEDOVE3]

The only situation Mr. X "champions" is Mr. X. He is a media whore, plain and simple. He shows up where he can obtain the most media coverage. 

And he ain't never burn nobody house down  :)

[BLUEDOVE3]

 

Champions the little man?   :rolleyes:

 

This is a voice we don't need brought to the fight.

 

"I say to Jewish America: Get ready … knuckle up, put your boots on, because we're ready and the war is going down. … The real deal is this: Black youth do not want a relationship with the Jewish community or the mainstream white community or the foot shuffling, head-bowing, knee bobbing black community. … All you Jews can go straight to hell."

 

"[i]f you feel that you just got to mug somebody because of your hurt and your pain, go to River Oaks and mug you some good white folks. If you’re angry that our brother is put to death, don’t burn down your own community, give these white folks hell from the womb to the tomb."

At least he's an equal opportunist, he don't like head-bowing negroes either.

[LumRaiderFan]

 

Champions the little man?   :rolleyes:

 

This is a voice we don't need brought to the fight.

 

"I say to Jewish America: Get ready … knuckle up, put your boots on, because we're ready and the war is going down. … The real deal is this: Black youth do not want a relationship with the Jewish community or the mainstream white community or the foot shuffling, head-bowing, knee bobbing black community. … All you Jews can go straight to hell."

 

"[i]f you feel that you just got to mug somebody because of your hurt and your pain, go to River Oaks and mug you some good white folks. If you’re angry that our brother is put to death, don’t burn down your own community, give these white folks hell from the womb to the tomb."

 

At least he's an equal opportunist, he don't like head-bowing negroes either.

 

Yeah...he's a great guy.