Chris Christie 2016?

[EnlightenedChosenOne]

Oh wait, he's too liberal because he worked with Obama on the hurricane sandy efforts.

Have fun losing in 2016 suckerssssss

[Big girl]

Lol

[EnlightenedChosenOne]

Ttt

[stevenash]

You are probably going to have to keep posting TTT on this thread.  It appears that your credibility with most of the board participants has diminished to the point that I am the only one still willing to play your game.  If Christie chooses to run in 2016, the system will decide whether or not he is best qualified as opposed to your personal evaluation.

[EnlightenedChosenOne]

As opposed to the great teabagger intellectuals here like Smitty.

LOL

Have fun losing in 2016 suckers. Try not to blame rigged polls this time

You are probably going to have to keep posting TTT on this thread. It appears that your credibility with most of the board participants has diminished to the point that I am the only one still willing to play your game. If Christie chooses to run in 2016, the system will decide whether or not he is best qualified as opposed to your personal evaluation.

[NorthoftheBorder]

I firmly believe that ECO is an Obama administration "plant" on this board!  Like the current administration, all ECO provides is rhetoric and no substance!!!

[EnlightenedChosenOne]

Truth hurts commoner.

The tea party will ruin the republicans 2016 bid.

I firmly believe that ECO is an Obama administration "plant" on this board!  Like the current administration, all ECO provides is rhetoric and no substance!!!

[stevenash]

Hey, Enlightened, you forgot to add BOOM!  ROASTED!  to you last post.  You are slipping.

 

Would you remind repeating what you said the other day in one of our other conversations where you stated that you believe the economy would be better off with lower taxes, fewer regulations, and no Obamacare?

[EnlightenedChosenOne]

Sure

I believe in lower taxes, less regulations and a repeat of obamacare

BOOM ROASTED

NEXTTTTTTT

[stevenash]

I would much prefer you to have said a repeal rather than a repeat.  We cant handle the first obamacare, let alone a repeat.  But I am glad to see you back in form on the BOOM ROASTED thing.  Just wondering if you would like to compare recovery notes on this recovery vs the one that occurred shortly after Bush inherited the Clinton recession/dot com bubble bursting?

[EnlightenedChosenOne]

Not really

I'm on my phone and about to get out of work early for 4th of July

[tvc184]

[stevenash]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[TxHoops]

I think if he resists the urge to jump in the sack with the radical right (as did the past two nominees), he will be a formidable candidate who could win the election.  As I have said before though, the problem is these guys get wrapped up in winning the primary and it's hard to do without that support (can't win the game if you aren't ultimately in it).  Time will tell if he gets "teabagged," as it were.

 

Now some on this board will tell you that the Presidency was lost the last two times because the GOP did not put a truly conservative candidate in the race.  To those I would say, you're right!  Please nominate Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio.  Plus, you will assuredly get that Hispanic vote, you know....

[tvc184]

I think if he resists the urge to jump in the sack with the radical right (as did the past two nominees), he will be a formidable candidate who could win the election.  As I have said before though, the problem is these guys get wrapped up in winning the primary and it's hard to do without that support (can't win the game if you aren't ultimately in it).  Time will tell if he gets "teabagged," as it were.

 

Now some on this board will tell you that the Presidency was lost the last two times because the GOP did not put a truly conservative candidate in the race.  To those I would say, you're right!  Please nominate Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio.  Plus, you will assuredly get that Hispanic vote, you know....

 

Actually race does matter but not like you are portraying it. In 2008 13% of the vote came from African Americans. Obviously most supported Obama. Going back to Jimmy Carter in 1976 (as far back as I could find stats), they usually voted in the total vote at 8%-10%. That means that Obama go an additional 3% of his votes (5% more than Clinton) from African Americans to support a black president. 

 

The questions seems to me will be whether that same enthusiasm will remain to vote for a white person as it was with Obama. Even going to the most recent election in 2008 where Obama got 51% of the popular vote, can the next candidate for the Dems take a 3-5% hit and still win? 

 

We can somewhat toss all the Tea Party, conservative enough and other stuff aside if Hillary or whoever can't keep up that 13% show up at the polls. 

[TxHoops]

Actually race does matter but not like you are portraying it. In 2008 13% of the vote came from African Americans. Obviously most supported Obama. Going back to Jimmy Carter in 1976 (as far back as I could find stats), they usually voted in the total vote at 8%-10%. That means that Obama go an additional 3% of his votes (5% more than Clinton) from African Americans to support a black president.

The questions seems to me will be whether that same enthusiasm will remain to vote for a white person as it was with Obama. Even going to the most recent election in 2008 where Obama got 51% of the popular vote, can the next candidate for the Dems take a 3-5% hit and still win?

We can somewhat toss all the Tea Party, conservative enough and other stuff aside if Hillary or whoever can't keep up that 13% show up at the polls.

And there would likely be a spike in women voting (some who might not otherwise vote) due to a strong female candidate. Yada yada yada. The next election will be decided the way they all are. Not by race or gender - by who gets the most indie votes.

[77]

Please tell me why anybody would want another Clinton or Bush in the White house?

[TxHoops]

Not sure how Hillary will do. But if Bill could run again, the final numbers would look like Reagan vs. Mondale.

[tvc184]

Not sure how Hillary will do. But if Bill could run again, the final numbers would look like Reagan vs. Mondale.

 

 

I don't think Clinton would do quite as bad as Mondale but I agree it won't be pretty. 

[77]

Bill would be a blessing after these last 6 years he did finally tell the truth Yobama aint bout to do that!

[bullets13]

Clinton showed a willingness to work with both sides of the aisle. We need bipartisanship from whoever ends up in office if things are ever going to improve. Both sides think they're right on every issue, but to fairly represent the vastly different groups in our country compromise is needed.

[smitty]

Clinton showed a willingness to work with both sides of the aisle. We need bipartisanship from whoever ends up in office if things are ever going to improve. Both sides think they're right on every issue, but to fairly represent the vastly different groups in our country compromise is needed.

True!  But it does take TWO sides to compromise. 

[smitty]

Not sure how Hillary will do. But if Bill could run again, the final numbers would look like Reagan vs. Mondale.

It's amazing how time has a way of erasing/changing history.  There's not much difference between bil'sl and obama's philosophy.  Remember, after 40 years, the Republicans won control of the House after two years of the clinton fiasco.  But, to his credit, and to save his Presidency, he worked with the Republicans.  Meaning he HAD to move to the right.  And guess what -- it saved his Presidency.  Imagine that!  But, obama just doesn't have it in him to do what bill did.  That's the Chicago thugocracy coming out in him!

[TxHoops]

I don't think Clinton would do quite as bad as Mondale but I agree it won't be pretty.

I have a new nominee for dumbest thing I have read on this board...

[bullets13]

True! But it does take TWO sides to compromise.

True. And both sides thinks compromise means that the other side gives in completely.