Has Feminism Ruined The Family Unit?

[EnlightenedChosenOne]

Liberals have made it socially acceptable for women to sleep around and that gender roles are misogynistic. Big strong independent women don't need no man no mo'. Men bad, women guuuuud. Boy don't need father figure when boy have two lesbian moms.

Statistics show that there's a correlation between divorce rates and the partner count of women.

Discuss

[TROJANSWIN]

It may be a part of the problem, but there are many more issues that have caused a downturn in the number of father/mother combination households.
A change in priorities. Both men and women are more likely to put other things before family. Money, drugs, sex, fun, and freedom have made people decide they didn't want a marriage. Some divorced, some never married.
It has become more acceptable for a single woman to be pregnant. When Murphy Brown got pregnant there was a large cry for the show to be cancelled. When Rachel on Friends got pregnant there was very little said about it.
Men have decided it is better to spread their seed with multiple women and then leave it up to the woman to care for the children. I know several guys who had 3 babies born to 3 different mothers in the same year. After they get te woman pregnant, they are gone again and out having fun.
I know a lesbian couple that adopted a child. I am very close friends with one of the ladies brothers. That child has two parents who love him and care for him. He is better off than a lot of kids whose daddy is out drinking or using drugs or is just gone. This kid is still young, and later in life he may have a harder time, but for now he is a heck of a baseball player and a good well mannered kid. His uncle and I have talked a couple of times about it and wonder if he realizes he is the only black kid in school with two white mommies and no daddy.

[PN-G bamatex]

I think it depends on how you define feminism. I tend to favor the narrower definition, which is that feminism is about ensuring that women are treated as equally to men in the legal sense as reasonably possible. I view the crusades against gender roles and the "hook up" paradigm more as elements of an unhealthy counter culture than aspects of feminist ideology.

[EnlightenedChosenOne]

I view the social justice warriors as part of the feminism movement because almost everybody in this country believes women should be treated as equally to men.

I think it depends on how you define feminism. I tend to favor the narrower definition, which is that feminism is about ensuring that women are treated as equally to men in the legal sense as reasonably possible. I view the crusades against gender roles and the "hook up" paradigm more as elements of an unhealthy counter culture than aspects of feminist ideology.

[PN-G bamatex]

I view the social justice warriors as part of the feminism movement because almost everybody in this country believes women should be treated as equally to men.

 

You know, I used to think that. Then one day I met three incredibly chauvinistic college students at Alabama. All three believed women have no place in the workforce, and one of them didn't even think they should be able to vote.

 

The shocking part? Two of those three were flagrantly liberal, one was a homosexual and a staunch supporter of LGBT+ rights, and one was from a northern state.

 

Talk about breaking stereotypes....

[NorthoftheBorder]

You know, I used to think that. Then one day I met three incredibly chauvinistic college students at Alabama. All three believed women have no place in the workforce, and one of them didn't even think they should be able to vote.

 

The shocking part? Two of those three were flagrantly liberal, one was a homosexual and a staunch supporter of LGBT+ rights, and one was from a northern state.

 

Talk about breaking stereotypes....

How did the get out of UA alive???  LOL!!!

[PN-G bamatex]

How did the get out of UA alive???  LOL!!!

 

Not very easily, I can tell you that much.

[Baba Ganoush]

You know, I used to think that. Then one day I met three incredibly chauvinistic college students at Alabama. All three believed women have no place in the workforce, and one of them didn't even think they should be able to vote.

The shocking part? Two of those three were flagrantly liberal, one was a homosexual and a staunch supporter of LGBT+ rights, and one was from a northern state.

Talk about breaking stereotypes....

SEC-SEC-SEC!!!

[TxHoops]

You know, I used to think that. Then one day I met three incredibly chauvinistic college students at Alabama. All three believed women have no place in the workforce, and one of them didn't even think they should be able to vote.

The shocking part? Two of those three were flagrantly liberal, one was a homosexual and a staunch supporter of LGBT+ rights, and one was from a northern state.

Talk about breaking stereotypes....

Great example of the danger (and ultimately fallacy) of stereotypes. And this makes me think about whether they can be "flagrantly liberal" and anti-women's rights. I need to chew on that one...

[baddog]

Had a female hire on through a sub-contractor in the plants as a carpenter's helper. Good looking woman. Filled out a pair of nomex very nicely. Trouble was that if I tried to let her make her equal agenda by asking her to hand me a 1x6, five men would trip over themselves grabbing that 1x6 so she didn't have to. I always felt that somewhere out there, there was some man with a wife and two kids looking for work, but he couldn't find any because people like her had to be hired instead. Nothing personal against her, but she didn't pull her weight. Not sure if this fits the topic very well, but it's something to ponder.

[EnlightenedChosenOne]

Women in the workplace would be an interesting topic. From my personal expieriences as well as friends, women generally love to play the victim role if they're not getting preferential treatment and are so damn dramatic about everything.

I'll let someone else start that topic though, I don't want to be labeled a woman hater in this forum while simultaneously being a bleeding heart liberal (according to some) in the political forum

Had a female hire on through a sub-contractor in the plants as a carpenter's helper. Good looking woman. Filled out a pair of nomex very nicely. Trouble was that if I tried to let her make her equal agenda by asking her to hand me a 1x6, five men would trip over themselves grabbing that 1x6 so she didn't have to. I always felt that somewhere out there, there was some man with a wife and two kids looking for work, but he couldn't find any because people like her had to be hired instead. Nothing personal against her, but she didn't pull her weight. Not sure if this fits the topic very well, but it's something to ponder.

[EnlightenedChosenOne]

Alabama.. Not even once :P

I kid I kid

You know, I used to think that. Then one day I met three incredibly chauvinistic college students at Alabama. All three believed women have no place in the workforce, and one of them didn't even think they should be able to vote.
 
The shocking part? Two of those three were flagrantly liberal, one was a homosexual and a staunch supporter of LGBT+ rights, and one was from a northern state.
 
Talk about breaking stereotypes....

[PN-G bamatex]

Great example of the danger (and ultimately fallacy) of stereotypes. And this makes me think about whether they can be "flagrantly liberal" and anti-women's rights. I need to chew on that one...

 

 

Let me put it to you this way: when I call those two "flagrantly liberal," I mean they were self-described socialists. They fit the standard uber-liberal profile when it came to just about every issue except feminist ones, although one of them was a little bit conservative on immigration. Both of them will be attending law school in Philadelphia starting in a few weeks, which is where one of the two is from.

 

The third student mentioned was, to be fair, a slightly right-leaning moderate from a military family that settled in Birmingham after his father left the service. However, his family is originally also from Philadelphia, which is where he was born and lived as a small child. If I recall correctly, he'll be working in the business his father started in Birmingham.

 

Now here's a real shocker for you. The Philadelphia law student who isn't actually from Philadelphia was raised in a small town in south Alabama by a single mother who worked as a nurse to support he and his brother. Kind of contradicts the whole "no women in the workplace" notion, doesn't it?

[TxHoops]

Let me put it to you this way: when I call those two "flagrantly liberal," I mean they were self-described socialists. They fit the standard uber-liberal profile when it came to just about every issue except feminist ones, although one of them was a little bit conservative on immigration. Both of them will be attending law school in Philadelphia starting in a few weeks, which is where one of the two is from.

The third student mentioned was, to be fair, a slightly right-leaning moderate from a military family that settled in Birmingham after his father left the service. However, his family is originally also from Philadelphia, which is where he was born and lived as a small child. If I recall correctly, he'll be working in the business his father started in Birmingham.

Now here's a real shocker for you. The Philadelphia law student who isn't actually from Philadelphia was raised in a small town in south Alabama by a single mother who worked as a nurse to support he and his brother. Kind of contradicts the whole "no women in the workplace" notion, doesn't it?

Very interesting. Good example of how "labels" can be tricky.

(Except for "teabaggers" of course; that one is air tight and very fitting ;) )

[PN-G bamatex]

Very interesting. Good example of how "labels" can be tricky.

(Except for "teabaggers" of course; that one is air tight and very fitting ;) )

 

That they can be. Especially if you believe that political beliefs are shaped as much by the environment in which a person is raised as they are by underlying principles like I do.

[LumRaiderFan]

Very interesting. Good example of how "labels" can be tricky.

(Except for "teabaggers" of course; that one is air tight and very fitting ;) )

 

Good thing the term doesn't fit to the Tea Party...except in the minds of low information lefties.

[EnlightenedChosenOne]

Then why are you bringing it up?

You sound guilty mannnnnn

Good thing the term doesn't fit to the Tea Party...except in the minds of low information lefties.

[LumRaiderFan]

Good thing the term doesn't fit to the Tea Party...except in the minds of low information lefties.

 

Then why are you bringing it up?

You sound guilty mannnnnn
 

 

Speak of the devil.

[TxHoops]

Good thing the term doesn't fit to the Tea Party...except in the minds of low information lefties.

😂

[jv_coach]

Interesting read about feminism from the child of a leading feminist.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1021293/How-mothers-fanatical-feminist-views-tore-apart-daughter-The-Color-Purple-author.html

 

She's revered as a trail-blazing feminist and author Alice Walker touched the lives of a generation of women. A champion of women's rights, she has always argued that motherhood is a form of servitude. But one woman didn't buy in to Alice's beliefs  -  her daughter, Rebecca, 38. 

Here the writer describes what it was like to grow up as the daughter of a cultural icon, and why she feels so blessed to be the sort of woman 64-year-old Alice despises  -  a mother.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1021293/How-mothers-fanatical-feminist-views-tore-apart-daughter-The-Color-Purple-author.html#ixzz39gGRDbkW 
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[PAMFAM10]

For a while now I've been wondering if this serious or just a joke. Honestly this would have been a good topic in 1930. But really REALLY. This is garbage. Woman shouldn't be put in a box.