West Orange-Stark 42 Hardin-Jefferson 21/Final

[Goblin]

*eats popcorn*  :rolleyes:

[wo-s#1]

When he had 2 hawks on him he got the call the refs were baddddd

[TxHoops]

yeah but at the same time plays like when they called pi on Dt did also

Radio guys said the HJ defender was holding him all the way down field and DT was just pushing the defender off of him?

[MoFo]

I'm just waiting for the guy that said I was an idiot to post! This game was horrible for both teams tonight and we all knew this would happen! So many WOS drives were hurt by penalties and of course the phantom punt play! All in all these kids played hard and gave it all they had! Respect them and good luck to everyone

I called you an idiot but you may want to go re- read the post. You claimed the offense we run is for pitiful teams and if you still believe that then your still an idiot. You run a offense that fits your program and that is what we do

[bullets13]

As bad as most people thought that call was, HJ was never one call away from winning this game. Let's talk about what really happened. Your defense was designed to eliminate our passing game. But our running backs shredded you guys for a season high 203 yards. WOS came to play.

WOS was great, no doubt about it.  but how can anyone know how that game plays out if HJ's touchdown fairly late in the 3rd ties the game at 14 instead of cutting it to a TD?  they might be one play away from winning at some point if that happens.  Or maybe WOS still finds a way to win by two TDs.  that's the problem with a play like that.  apart from saying it shouldve only been a 14 point game because that TD should never have been scored, there's truly no way to quantify the effect it had on the game.  maybe hj would've come out pumped up about the fact that they held WOS to one 1st down and no points the last 15 minutes of the 1st half and are only down a score and marches down and scores.  they looked deflated when the came back out instead.  it's impossible to know.  but to pretend it somehow didn't matter, and that the outcome was exactly as it should've been is a discredit to the hawks, and to what was (or at least should've been), a close, hardfought game that stretched out a little bit at the end.

[Gasilla]

Well, you and one ref saw it, I guess...

Several saw it, it was right in front of us. You HJ fans whine all you want but that's one they got right.

[bullets13]

This game played out how I expected. I expected HJ to play them close for a half and WOS to pull away. It should have been 14-7 at the half instead of 20-7 apparently. But as some correctly pointed out, you can't rely on the run alone and beat a team of WOS's caliber. You have to effectively (and selectively) mix in the pass to keep the defense honest. Unlike a few advertised, HJ is at a speed deficit against the Mustangs and apparently the dozen or so hawks benching 300 weren't able to control the line of scrimmage. If anything, WOS strength tonight was the run as evidenced by Teate's 200+ yards rushing. And that happened in no small part to WOS linemen pushing those big HJ guys off the line of scimmage.

the run game was good enough to where the game should've been tied 14-14 late in the third.  who knows what happens from there if that's the case.  Teate had a monster game, no doubt about it.  HJ did a pretty decent job against the pass, only giving up a couple of big plays, but the TD/NOT TD taunting play was a killer that was almost as big of a play as the punt at the end of the half.  And kudos to WOS's line as well.

[bullets13]

Several saw it, it was right in front of us. You HJ fans whine all you want but that's one they got right.

apparently they showed it on the Blitz and made fun of the refs for getting it wrong?

[kicker]

WOS was great, no doubt about it. but how can anyone know how that game plays out if HJ's touchdown fairly late in the 3rd ties the game at 14 instead of cutting it to a TD? they might be one play away from winning at some point if that happens. Or maybe WOS still finds a way to win by two TDs. that's the problem with a play like that. apart from saying it shouldve only been a 14 point game because that TD should never have been scored, there's truly no way to quantify the effect it had on the game. maybe hj would've come out pumped up about the fact that they held WOS to one 1st down and no points the last 15 minutes of the 1st half and are only down a score and marches down and scores. they looked deflated when the came back out instead. it's impossible to know. but to pretend it somehow didn't matter, and that the outcome was exactly as it should've been is a discredit to the hawks, and to what was (or at least should've been), a close, hardfought game that stretched out a little bit at the end.

wasnt Wos up 2 TD's late in the third? Take one away and your still down 1..... Actually asking, not being a smart.....

[MoFo]

Several saw it, it was right in front of us. You HJ fans whine all you want but that's one they got right.

You need to watch 12 news blitz they have it on film ball never even gets close to touching an HJ player and the reporter is laughing and making jokes about how terrible of a call it was..

[bullets13]

yeah but at the same time plays like when they called pi on Dt did also

not sure which call you're referring to.  the defensive call which was obvious, and where HJ did not even go down and score, or the offensive one on WOS, which was a terrible call, but where WOS still went down and scored.  either way, not much effect on the game.

[HJ85]

Wos played a good game congrats.but I do believe that bad call on the punt changed the game..

[bullets13]

wasnt Wos up 2 TD's late in the third? Take one away and your still down 1..... Actually asking, not being a smart.....

yes.  HJ scored to cut it to one (woulda tied it), and WOS scored quickly to go back up two (woulda been 1).

[Gasilla]

HJ can run their offense how they're supposed to if they're down one score. And there was a minute and a half left that HJ might get a break away play and score, possibly going in tied at the half. Then they get the ball back tied with West Orange!?! You know momentum would have been in their favor if that call isn't totally screwed up. You think it didn't affect the game? You're sadly mistaken. HJ was taken out of their comfort zone and WO-S took advantage. Good game West Orange, just wish I would've seen how the game really could have played out.

I can't believe you guys are pissing and moaning so much over a good call... Lol shoulda coulda woulda but didn't...

[wo-s#1]

One thing guys we all agree refs were baddd both ways either way wos wins let's get ready for play offs and hopefully see each other again

[bullets13]

crap, i wasn't going to get back on here, and then i do and end up debating 9 more people.  the whole purpose of me getting back on here was that in my frustration earlier i failed to do a couple of things.  the first was to congratulate WOS on a hardfought win, and the 2nd was to make sure that, despite my complaining about that major call, that i made it clear that i wasn't saying that the refs handed WOS the game.  things would've definitely played out differently, but it's impossible to know how.  WOS was more than deserving of the win, and likely would've won anyway.  That call didn't cost HJ the game, but it cost them a shot at the win, which is what has so many of us riled up.  so anyway, congrats to WOS, WOS fans, and Coach T.  Your team is the class of SETX as far as i'm concerned, and i'm just glad we finally have a team that can give you a good game.  good luck in the playoffs, and hopefully we will meet again in a few weeks with a better crew of officials.  now, back to complaining about the punt call!!!!

[TxHoops]

not sure which call you're referring to. the defensive call which was obvious, and where HJ did not even go down and score, or the offensive one on WOS, which was a terrible call, but where WOS still went down and scored. either way, not much effect on the game.

He's talking about the offensive one which by all accounts was awful. The defensive one was debatable supposedly because the ball was 10 yards or so underthown. But you correctly point out it was irrelevant - HJ turns it over on downs anyway and WOS quickly scored after that.

[TxHoops]

I wish someone could post a video of that punt call. I also want to see if the side judge threw a bean bag like he claimed. The guys in the booth didn't see it but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Can't imagine he would lie about that but curious to see....

[bullets13]

the defensive PI could've arguably been defensive holding.  without the two arms around him he could've gotten much closer to the ball... not sure how close.  but yes, irrelevant.

[wo-s#1]

I wish someone could post a video of that punt call. I also want to see if the side judge threw a bean bag like he claimed. The guys in the booth didn't see it but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Can't imagine he would lie about that but curious to see....

he did throw a bean bag I was on the end of the bleachers right behind him,now I didn't see hj touch it but I think it was #1 was very close to it and not even looking for the ball

[wo-s#1]

crap, i wasn't going to get back on here, and then i do and end up debating 9 more people. the whole purpose of me getting back on here was that in my frustration earlier i failed to do a couple of things. the first was to congratulate WOS on a hardfought win, and the 2nd was to make sure that, despite my complaining about that major call, that i made it clear that i wasn't saying that the refs handed WOS the game. things would've definitely played out differently, but it's impossible to know how. WOS was more than deserving of the win, and likely would've won anyway. That call didn't cost HJ the game, but it cost them a shot at the win, which is what has so many of us riled up. so anyway, congrats to WOS, WOS fans, and Coach T. Your team is the class of SETX as far as i'm concerned, and i'm just glad we finally have a team that can give you a good game. good luck in the playoffs, and hopefully we will meet again in a few weeks with a better crew of officials. now, back to complaining about the punt call!!!!

good post

[TxHoops]

the defensive PI could've arguably been defensive holding. without the two arms around him he could've gotten much closer to the ball... not sure how close. but yes, irrelevant.

Exactly - that sounds like the call they should have made instead of pi. Holding doesn't matter if the Ball is catchable. But for that crew, being sorta right is a victory I guess.

[TxHoops]

he did throw a bean bag I was on the end of the bleachers right behind him,now I didn't see hj touch it but I think it was #1 was very close to it and not even looking for the ball

Thanks - was curious about that.

[MoFo]

I wish someone could post a video of that punt call. I also want to see if the side judge threw a bean bag like he claimed. The guys in the booth didn't see it but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Can't imagine he would lie about that but curious to see....

Watch 12 news blitz when they post it online I have it on DVR they show it twice and like I said it clearly does not touch anyone and the reporters rib the refs pretty hard.

[wo-s#1]

Watch 12 news blitz when they post it online I have it on DVR they show it twice and like I said it clearly does not touch anyone and the reporters rib the refs pretty hard.

am I trippin or was #1 there and not looking for theball tho