PN-G bamatex Posted November 13, 2014 Report Posted November 13, 2014 http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/11/12/backed-china-russia-deploy-bombers-over-gulf-mexico All that "reset" crap Obama and Clinton peddled in 2009? Yeah, apparently that includes a second cold war. Quote
SKINS Posted November 13, 2014 Report Posted November 13, 2014 Just some quick facts, Russia does these flights all the time, its nothing new. Russia also gets to make a limited number of flights over the U.S. with its recon planes, we do the same. Russia has had bombers right up to the littoral boundaries of the west coast on an almost monthly basis the past decade. Quote
PN-G bamatex Posted November 14, 2014 Author Report Posted November 14, 2014 Russia has never put them in the Gulf of Mexico, not even during the Cold War. That's explicitly stated in the article, sourced to an unnamed senior US military official. Recon flights are fine. Flying planes into the far extremes of US airspace along the West Coast to poke and prod at us is arguably okay; it's simply the resurrection of a Cold War tactic. This, however, is not something explicitly called for by treaty, or rooted in a thirty year old precedent. This would be considered a highly aggressive move, even by Cold War standards. View it in conjunction with Russia's recent deployment of a guided missile cruiser to Havana, and the leak of the US Navy's knowledge of Russian submarine operations in the Gulf of Mexico a couple years ago - another tactic that wasn't used in the Cold War - and you're going to have a pretty hard time convincing me this is innocent, much less routine. Quote
SKINS Posted November 14, 2014 Report Posted November 14, 2014 Russia has never put them in the Gulf of Mexico, not even during the Cold War. That's explicitly stated in the article, sourced to an unnamed senior US military official. Recon flights are fine. Flying planes into the far extremes of US airspace along the West Coast to poke and prod at us is arguably okay; it's simply the resurrection of a Cold War tactic. This, however, is not something explicitly called for by treaty, or rooted in a thirty year old precedent. This would be considered a highly aggressive move, even by Cold War standards. View it in conjunction with Russia's recent deployment of a guided missile cruiser to Havana, and the leak of the US Navy's knowledge of Russian submarine operations in the Gulf of Mexico a couple years ago - another tactic that wasn't used in the Cold War - and you're going to have a pretty hard time convincing me this is innocent, much less routine. What about the spyship that went up and down the coast this year. I'm telling you, Russia does this stuff all the time, we do the exact same. We keep ships less than a 100 NM away from their ports. This newest wave of reporting is extremely misguided and twisted. Quote
SKINS Posted November 14, 2014 Report Posted November 14, 2014 And before someone says Russia has increased its military presence since Obama took office, it is completely uncorrelated. Russia has finally replaced the majority of its aging military with more modern equipment. A huge amount of planes and ships have finished midlife overhauls in the last 3 years. Russia finally has the fleet and air force to allow them to move around more freely. Quote
PN-G bamatex Posted November 14, 2014 Author Report Posted November 14, 2014 What about the spyship that went up and down the coast this year. I'm telling you, Russia does this stuff all the time, we do the exact same. We keep ships less than a 100 NM away from their ports. This newest wave of reporting is extremely misguided and twisted. That doesn't make it acceptable, and even if we do it back, the increasing frequency with which actions like these are occurring is only further proof that the tension between the US and Russia is approaching Cold War levels. Quote
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