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[Big girl]

" I am done with campaining msp(The republicans clap). Obama: "I know because I won both of them" . Straight gagsta. Bam

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

:ph34r:

[tvc184]

..... and in doing so led the Democrats from a super manority lead to an all time historical Republican majority in the House and close to that in the Senate.

BOOM!!

[LumRaiderFan]

And the dems still think they're on the right track.

[tvc184]

And the dems still think they're on the right track.

..... as the claimed dead party sinks the Dems hopes and effectively puts a halt to any legal Obama agenda.

[PAMFAM10]

Presidential election And midterms are two different things. Nobody is even close to catching hillary as to now. Everybody comes out to vote not just those who oppose the president. who will not be on the ticket 2016. You guys are smart enough to know the recent election has squat to do with 2016.

[tvc184]

Presidential election And midterms are two different things. Nobody is even close to catching hillary as to now. Everybody comes out to vote not just those who oppose the president. who will not be on the ticket 2016. You guys are smart enough to know the recent election has squat to do with 2016.

 

Yes, they are obviously two different things and they involve two different branches of government. 

 

That does not however take into account that his coattails brought in a Democratic super majority into power in 2008 or in other words a majority in both houses that the Republicans could not stop. The response of Obama and the Dems was to blow two years on a very unpopular health car program and leave all other promises aside. The backlash in two subsequent elections led that super majority to be turned into an all time Republican lead in the House. 

 

Obama lost 4 million votes in 2012 from his 2008 win. He is the first president to win reelection by losing votes since the fourth term of FDR in 1944. 

 

If Obama's claim to fame is "I won" and his legacy is taking complete control over Congress and losing both houses, so be it. 

 

As far as Hillary, the Dems better hope that she runs because their only chance of winning is her and that is just a chance at best. 

 

If you want to look back at history, in late December 2007 Hillary was ahead in the national polls with 42%, Obama with little more than half at 23% and John Edwards with 16%. It is easy to be ahead in the poll right now when you have no opponent. 

[baddog]

" I am done with campaining msp(The republicans clap). Obama: "I know because I won both of them" . Straight gagsta. Bam

I don't even understand this. Do you remember English 101? I think you may have been absent more than once.

[PAMFAM10]

Yes, they are obviously two different things and they involve two different branches of government.

That does not however take into account that his coattails brought in a Democratic super majority into power in 2008 or in other words a majority in both houses that the Republicans could not stop. The response of Obama and the Dems was to blow two years on a very unpopular health car program and leave all other promises aside. The backlash in two subsequent elections led that super majority to be turned into an all time Republican lead in the House.

Obama lost 4 million votes in 2012 from his 2008 win. He is the first president to win reelection by losing votes since the fourth term of FDR in 1944.

If Obama's claim to fame is "I won" and his legacy is taking complete control over Congress and losing both houses, so be it.

As far as Hillary, the Dems better hope that she runs because their only chance of winning is her and that is just a chance at best.

If you want to look back at history, in late December 2007 Hillary was ahead in the national polls with 42%, Obama with little more than half at 23% and John Edwards with 16%. It is easy to be ahead in the poll right now when you have no opponent.

My whole point is everybody will come out for presidential election everyone. Obama caught up to hillary because he was obama the right have no fresh face like he was. Hillary also came the closest to beating obama. Hillary will be tough to beat for multiple reasons.

[smitty]

My whole point is everybody will come out for presidential election everyone. Obama caught up to hillary because he was obama the right have no fresh face like he was. Hillary also came the closest to beating obama. Hillary will be tough to beat for multiple reasons.

Give us a few.

[LumRaiderFan]

My whole point is everybody will come out for presidential election everyone. Obama caught up to hillary because he was obama the right have no fresh face like he was. Hillary also came the closest to beating obama. Hillary will be tough to beat for multiple reasons.

Give us a few.

Still waiting.

[EnlightenedMessiah]

If Republicans lose in 2016 it'll be because they nominated some Jesus freak instead of a normal moderate republican. Fortunately for democrats, republicans will most likely shoot themselves in the foot during the primaries, where they force candidates to lean extremely right.

You guys who are passionate defenders of either party crack me up, talk about drinking the kool aid.

Still waiting.

[PAMFAM10]

Hillary will Carry the gay vote the black vote the youth vote the woman vote the Hispanic vote just about all the votes there is other than the white male vote. Hillary is way more popular than anything the Republicans can throw out. She's a woman. She's married to bill.

[Baba Ganoush]

Hillary will Carry the gay vote the black vote the youth vote the woman vote the Hispanic vote just about all the votes there is other than the white male vote. Hillary is way more popular than anything the Republicans can throw out. She's a woman. She's married to bill.

Well, all of those "reasons" seem to validate her qualifications and highlight her policy stances. I'm not saying you are wrong, you could be spot on. But this superficial and inexplicable blind following illustrates ONE of the many problems in our political system.

[PAMFAM10]

Never said she was the most qualified or that she's the best choice. Just simply would be hard to beat because of the following. Anybody who disagree is just delusional.

[PAMFAM10]

Well, all of those "reasons" seem to validate her qualifications and highlight her policy stances. I'm not saying you are wrong, you could be spot on. But this superficial and inexplicable blind following illustrates ONE of the many problems in our political system.

Why is that? People vote for them not there country. People vote for the guy/lady who believe like them. Who will pass laws that favor them.

[stevenash]

Then all Hillary has to do to win is promise additional "free stuff"?

[baddog]

Not with a Republican congress.

[LumRaiderFan]

Well, all of those "reasons" seem to validate her qualifications and highlight her policy stances. I'm not saying you are wrong, you could be spot on. But this superficial and inexplicable blind following illustrates ONE of the many problems in our political system.

 

Exactly right!

[RETIREDFAN1]

If the republicans run a REAL conservative instead of dim light as they have the past two election cycles, billary won't stand a chance......

[PAMFAM10]

Ok you guys refuse to see the obvious.

[PN-G bamatex]

Hillary will Carry the gay vote the black vote the youth vote the woman vote the Hispanic vote just about all the votes there is other than the white male vote. Hillary is way more popular than anything the Republicans can throw out. She's a woman. She's married to bill.

 

That's not necessarily true. You're correct in stating that the Republicans can write off the black vote; that's as solidly Democrat as solidly Democrat gets. The Democrats will likely win the black vote by a less substantial margin than they did in '08 and '12 simply because the Obama nomination pushed their margin of victory to extremely high levels even by their normal standards, but they'll still win it overwhelmingly. Where the real question lies in regards to the black vote is whether it will turn out in the record-setting numbers of '08 and '12. '14 suggests it won't, but that was just a mid-term election. Only time will tell.

 

As for the young vote, female vote and Hispanic vote, all of them may be more heavily contested than conventional wisdom would suggest.

 

The Bush family is very popular with Hispanics - Bush 43 won substantially higher portions of the Hispanic vote in both his gubernatorial and presidential bids than Republican candidates normally do. This is doubly true for his brother, Jeb, who speaks Spanish fluently, studied abroad in Mexico, and is married to a woman from Mexico, with whom he's had three children. If Jeb wins the nomination, the smart pick for his VP position is Susana Martinez, an Hispanic female currently serving as New Mexico's highly popular Republican governor. That would give the Republicans substantial appeal to the Hispanic vote and a good chance of winning two swing states (New Mexico and Florida, where Jeb was probably the most popular governor in recent years).

 

The female vote is never as significantly locked up as Democrats like to think. The truth is, when you subdivide the female vote into other categories, Republicans carried the married female vote by a significant margin. If a Bush-Martinez ticket can pull significant portions of the Hispanic vote, they may just pull enough of the Hispanic female vote to thoroughly contest the overall female vote the Democrats will be trying to capture with Clinton, which is her biggest appeal.

 

The youth vote is honestly up for grabs. It never turns out as solidly for the Democrats at the end of a Democrat presidency as it does at the end of a Republican one. Not to mention that the economy has been harshest to young people. If we look at '14 (which, again, was just a mid-term election), the youth vote may be close to an even split. If we factor in the Hispanic vote again (the disparity between the old and young turnouts in the white vote is flipped when it comes to Hispanics; the Hispanic young turn out in much higher numbers than the Hispanic old), the Democrats may be in for a shock.

 

Of course, a lot can happen in two years. A lot of things have to go right for the Republicans for anything I just said to come true. But, the point of this post is, things aren't as assured for the Democrats as you make them out to be.

[Big girl]

Yes, they are obviously two different things and they involve two different branches of government. 
 
That does not however take into account that his coattails brought in a Democratic super majority into power in 2008 or in other words a majority in both houses that the Republicans could not stop. The response of Obama and the Dems was to blow two years on a very unpopular health car program and leave all other promises aside. The backlash in two subsequent elections led that super majority to be turned into an all time Republican lead in the House. 
 
Obama lost 4 million votes in 2012 from his 2008 win. He is the first president to win reelection by losing votes since the fourth term of FDR in 1944. 
 
If Obama's claim to fame is "I won" and his legacy is taking complete control over Congress and losing both houses, so be it. 
 
As far as Hillary, the Dems better hope that she runs because their only chance of winning is her and that is just a chance at best. 
 
If you want to look back at history, in late December 2007 Hillary was ahead in the national polls with 42%, Obama with little more than half at 23% and John Edwards with 16%. It is easy to be ahead in the poll right now when you have no opponent.

who cares, I am talking about way he embarrassed the GOP. That was funny as hell. I found my self pumping my hands in the air

[77]

Ghetto indeed!

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Ghetto indeed!

There's a ghetto in every city/town.