Hardin-Jefferson 6 Silsbee 0/Final

[PhatMack19]

Cash working well tonight.

Tigers not getting anything solid but Dunn busts up no-no.

Lead off single.

Cash finished off the shutout with 10k's only allowing 2 hits.

[Silsbee92]

Good win for HJ.
Put themselves in a spot to make playoffs.

Tigers need to put some hits together Fri at WO-S to make it tough on Stangs

[ST413]

The games I have seen don't give a lot of hope for many hits, hopefully that will change.

[STiger85]

Congrats HJ. Cash was smoking tonight.

[AggiesAreWe]

Congrats HJ. Cash was smoking tonight.

 

Yes indeed. Congrats Hawks on a fine win.

[Silsbee92]

The games I have seen don't give a lot of hope for many hits, hopefully that will change.

It don't take many. Just two at the right time will work.

[ST413]

That's true.. I have been surprised at the lack of offense by all of the top teams in the district that I have seen. The top of the third for hJ tonight has been about the best hitting I have seen. I am waiting to see how these pitchers do in the playoff to see if it's just good pitching or young hitters.

[AggiesAreWe]

Silsbee has scored 44 runs in 11 district games (4 run per game average). Last night was first time Silsbee was shut out in a district game this year.

 

Since when is a 4 run average not enough offense in baseball?

 

BC- 43 runs in 10 games (4.3)

WO-S- 46 in 10 games (4.6)

LC-M- 60 in 10 games (6.0)

HJ- 72 in 12 games (6.0)

[bullets13]

big win for the hawks!

[AggiesAreWe]

BTW, the Major League average in runs scored per game is around 4.2 per team. ;)

[ST413]

30 of those runs were scored in 4 games in the first half of district. Games where the Tigers who weren't e pecked to beat the top were probably not facing the staff ace. 14 runs in those other 7 games amounts to 2 a game. I also said from what I have seen, I didn't see any of those games in he first half so I am not sure how those runs were scored. What I have seen in the second half from all the teams are a lot of at bats that haven't looked very good and really not that many hits overall. Granted I have been seeing the aces pretty much every game. Maybe the pitching is that good but I feel a lot has to do with the youth facing better pitchers. I have seen the Tigers get shutout twice, once a throw away game that you can't really count and last night. I have see also seen 2-0 win a 3-1 loss. In any of those district games, the best hitting I have seen was HJ's 3rd inning last night. i know these pitchers are good especially Shugart, but hill wait until the playoffs to really get a good idea on how good the hitting or pitching in the district really is.

[adminbaberuth]

Silsbee has scored 44 runs in 11 district games (4 run per game average). Last night was first time Silsbee was shut out in a district game this year.

 

Since when is a 4 run average not enough offense in baseball?

 

BC- 43 runs in 10 games (4.3)

WO-S- 46 in 10 games (4.6)

LC-M- 60 in 10 games (6.0)

HJ- 72 in 12 games (6.0)

 

Good stuff Aggie

 

Let's look at runs allowed, correct if mistaken.

 

Bridge City  10 gms / RA 19.........1.9

Silsbee........11 gms / RA 43.........3.9

WOS............10 gms / RA 34.........3.4

LCM.............11 gms / RA 44.........4.0

HJ.................12 gms / RA 53.........4.4   

[AggiesAreWe]

30 of those runs were scored in 4 games in the first half of district. Games where the Tigers who weren't e pecked to beat the top were probably not facing the staff ace. 14 runs in those other 7 games amounts to 2 a game. I also said from what I have seen, I didn't see any of those games in he first half so I am not sure how those runs were scored. What I have seen in the second half from all the teams are a lot of at bats that haven't looked very good and really not that many hits overall. Granted I have been seeing the aces pretty much every game. Maybe the pitching is that good but I feel a lot has to do with the youth facing better pitchers. I have seen the Tigers get shutout twice, once a throw away game that you can't really count and last night. I have see also seen 2-0 win a 3-1 loss. In any of those district games, the best hitting I have seen was HJ's 3rd inning last night. i know these pitchers are good especially Shugart, but hill wait until the playoffs to really get a good idea on how good the hitting or pitching in the district really is.

 

When did Silsbee lose a game 3-1?

 

Just how many games have you seen?

[ST413]

BTW, the Major League average in runs scored per game is around 4.2 per team. ;)

Mlb is not a very fair comparison with only the best pitchers...why don't we go to your sec where top conference teams Florida, a&am and LSU all average over 7 runs a game.

[AggiesAreWe]

Good stuff Aggie

 

Let's look at runs allowed, correct if mistaken.

 

Bridge City  10 gms / RA 19.........1.9

Silsbee........11 gms / RA 43.........3.9

WOS............10 gms / RA 34.........3.4

LCM.............11 gms / RA 44.........4.0

HJ.................12 gms / RA 53.........4.4   

 

All good.

 

Also, I was wrong on Silsbee's runs scored in district. It is 46 runs in 11 games, not 44. (4.2 average)

[AggiesAreWe]

Mlb is not a very fair comparison with only the best pitchers...why don't we go to your sec where top conference teams Florida, a&am and LSU all average over 7 runs a game.

 

What about the best hitters?

 

It's all relevant.

[ST413]

Like has been said many times best pitchers handle best hitters. And I must have looked at the wrong score when I looked up the WOS score it was 5-3 my mistake. It's not just the Tigers whose at bats haven't impressed me but all of these teams except for a few players. Don't get me wrong I have seen som good at bats but overall not so much. Maybe it is the pitching I have seen they have looked good but I want to see how they do against 1st or even second place teams from some of these other districts. Hopefully I will be impressed. Give some of these young guys another year or so and it will only get better.

[AggiesAreWe]

IMO, averaging 4.2 runs per game is enough offense to me. (particularly when you allow 3.9 ;) )

[ST413]

What about the best hitters?

It's all relevant.

Maybe but a big difference when everyone has top pitchers, not always the case in lower levels especially high school where a team may only have have one real good pitcher. If you face the team twice like you do in district and don't face that ace both times even a poor hitting team may have very different results?

Besides my point is more about hitting than runs scored. Naturally hitting plays a big part in that but in high school there are a lots of runs scored off errors walks and even steals. And it has been said several times now well Nelson is at manufacturing runs.

[ST413]

IMO, averaging 4.2 runs per game is enough offense to me. (particularly when you allow 3.9 ;) )

I won't argue with that, like I stated above my observation was more about the at bats I have seen than runs scored.

[AggiesAreWe]

In Silsbee's case, of the 11 district games, they have faced the opponent's #1 seven times. (that info per the opponents coaching staff)

 

No team in the district see's each team's #1 in every game.

 

Same goes in MLB.

 

Again, it's all relevant.

[Silsbee92]

Sometimes you just can't explain baseball Aggies....

If you've played.... then the devil is in the details throughout a game.

Each player has a job to do and if ALL the players involved do their job then the team wins.

No shame in losing a game if you've faced good pitching and were outplayed, but missed assignments and poor fielding is a death blow when facing a focused pitcher like Shugart when he's on.

[ST413]

In MLB you don't have to face the ace, most pitchers could be "aces". In high school not so much. I am not surprised buy the number we have faced. The question is were the 4 games we scored the 30 runs in the 4 where we didn't face the ace. Good output if so. But a true good hitting team usually gets to an ace from time to time as well, so have we done that. In the 4 or 5 games I have seen we haven't. Youth....it will come. The future is definitely bright. This year isn't a very fair one to be critical. My original statement about getting numbers of hits was based on what I have seen, and it was directed at the Tigers bats but my observation has been been about the lack of hitting in the district games I have seen. I said that 3rd inning by HJ was about the best display I had seen and that's probably the case in an inning but WOS had a good hitting game in Silsbee that I overlooked. I know at one point they had 9 to our 1. Maybe I just got spoiled to reading and hearing and seeing a few times the hitting we had the last few years.

[AggiesAreWe]

In MLB you don't have to face the ace, most pitchers could be "aces". In high school not so much. I am not surprised buy the number we have faced. The question is were the 4 games we scored the 30 runs in the 4 where we didn't face the ace. Good output if so. But a true good hitting team usually gets to an ace from time to time as well, so have we done that. In the 4 or 5 games I have seen we haven't. Youth....it will come. The future is definitely bright. This year isn't a very fair one to be critical. My original statement about getting numbers of hits was based on what I have seen, and it was directed at the Tigers bats but my observation has been been about the lack of hitting in the district games I have seen. I said that 3rd inning by HJ was about the best display I had seen and that's probably the case in an inning but WOS had a good hitting game in Silsbee that I overlooked. I know at one point they had 9 to our 1. Maybe I just got spoiled to reading and hearing and seeing a few times the hitting we had the last few years.

 

2 of those 4 was against that team's #1.

[ST413]

Sometimes you just can't explain baseball Aggies....
If you've played.... then the devil is in the details throughout a game.
Each player has a job to do and if ALL the players involved do their job then the team wins.
No shame in losing a game if you've faced good pitching and were outplayed, but missed assignments and poor fielding is a death blow when facing a focused pitcher like Shugart when he's on.

I agree with that. I don't really want to count some of those missed assignments such as a sac bunt against the hitters.