How Much Should A HS Coach Do To Get His Players A Scholarship?

[jkbtjc53]

Serious question. I know some day it's not the coaches job, but how much effort should a HS head coach put into it?

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

How many schools around here have a designated recruiting coordinator? 

[HurricaneCal]

How many schools around here have a designated recruiting coordinator?

I know of at least one! He does a great job.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

I know of at least one! He does a great job.

+1! 

 

 

More schools need more ppl like him on their staff. 

[tigerheart]

In just about every school, the head coach has a lot to do with it as far as contacts with collegiate coaches etc. however...if a kid can truly play, and not just a mommy or daddy thinking the kid can play, then he will get to the next level.

[jkbtjc53]

In just about every school, the head coach has a lot to do with it as far as contacts with collegiate coaches etc. however...if a kid can truly play, and not just a mommy or daddy thinking the kid can play, then he will get to the next level.

That's not 100% true. If a HC doesn't put the word out a kid might get some offers say to a Mcneese but the kid might be SMU quality.

[Trufan]

College scouts can find out anything about anybody. Most colleges have people whose only job is to follow social media. They track some kids from middle school. There are camps for every level of kid all over the U.S. That being said there are coaches who transport their players all over the place to give them every opertunity to be successful. Some don't. I have no problem with either one. A high school coach may not be able to get you a scholarship, but they damn sure can Sabotage of prevent you from getting one. A scout may not listen to a coach raving about a player(because most coaches do that and they have seen the film) but his ears will pop up when a coach says negative things. College coaches look at 10 players that look exactly the same on paper and in person. They are looking for discriminators to help separate the talent. So, if a coach puts his player down it hurts the players chances to be offered. I have heard people on here say" the high schools coaches reputation is on the line". " the coach has to disclose all". My take on that is, if that player played for you for 3 or 4 years and what ever he or she was doing wasn't bad enough for YOU to kick him of YOUR team then why mention it to the college recruiter. To me, that's freaking selfish and petty. You have no problem letting that player bust his ass and help YOU win games, but you don't want the kid to be able to help him self at the next level. Like I said. Selfish and petty.

[jkbtjc53]

College scouts can find out anything about anybody. Most colleges have people whose only job is to follow social media. They track some kids from middle school. There are camps for every level of kid all over the U.S. That being said there are coaches who transport their players all over the place to give them every opertunity to be successful. Some don't. I have no problem with either one. A high school coach may not be able to get you a scholarship, but they damn sure can Sabotage of prevent you from getting one. A scout may not listen to a coach raving about a player(because most coaches do that and they have seen the film) but his ears will pop up when a coach says negative things. College coaches look at 10 players that look exactly the same on paper and in person. They are looking for discriminators to help separate the talent. So, if a coach puts his player down it hurts the players chances to be offered. I have heard people on here say" the high schools coaches reputation is on the line". " the coach has to disclose all". My take on that is, if that player played for you for 3 or 4 years and what ever he or she was doing wasn't bad enough for YOU to kick him of YOUR team then why mention it to the college recruiter. To me, that's freaking selfish and petty. You have no problem letting that player bust his ass and help YOU win games, but you don't want the kid to be able to help him self at the next level. Like I said. Selfish and petty.

Total agree.

My point of the story is for people that know me off the site I assist a lot of kids in getting scholarships and putting their name out to the recruiting media.

A lot of the feedback I get from coaches is very negative regarding two SETX schools. One is WOS and the other is Nederland.

Regarding WOD I have had multiple college coaches tell me that unless the HC is in the office when they call he won't return their phones calls, a couple o. Coaches have said prospects from WOS have called them asking them to not mail their recruiting letters to the HS but instead to the recruits home because the coaches at WOS hold the kids mail and could cause them to miss some important documents.

WOS is aurguably the top program in the Triangle but unless it's a major prospect signing D1 you don't see a lot of other kids signs to smaller schools or junior colleges.


At Nederland, I've heard the same except add on the fact that I've been told by recruiting aites they have drove to Nederland to check and see what all kind of talent they have and get height and weight updates and the Nederland HC has kick those reporters off campus. This hurts a kids recruitment very very badly.


Imo if a kid goes out and busy his butt for you be a man and help the kid have a chance at a better life via a college degree. Don't try to be so much of a hard ass that you don't return a phone call or keep a kids mail.

Yes people will say the HC is to busy to return every call. I call BS, return every call if it means even just one more kid on your te getting a scholarship then it's well worth it.

[Peppermint Patty]

If the kid wants to play, has the ability to play, the coach should do all he can to facilitate that process- Providing film, calling contacts, getting the player in the clearinghouse, and being honest about what level the kid can play (Not everyone is D1).

 

However, if your coach is not going to help you, help yourself.  DO NOT let that hold you back.

[gohornets23]

My guess is that coaches have very limited time. If a kid was a great kid and great leader who did what he was asked and busted his tail for the team, 99% of coaches will go to the ends of the earth for them. If your kid's coach isn't helping your kid get a scholarship, you should probably come to the realization that one of two scenario's is possible 1) your kid isn't good enough to play at the next level  2) your kid is a lazy selfish cancer...why should a coach go outside the scope of his job and use his valuable time to reach out and help a kid that didn't bother to show up to practice?, or when he did he faked injuries to not do anything, or loafed around and acted like he was doing coach a favor just by showing up? Coaches are people too, If a kid is an "it's all about me" guy, then he can take that attitude with his recruiting as well and handle it on his own. 

[77]

Grades play into the situation a bunch!

[Trufan]

My guess is that coaches have very limited time. If a kid was a great kid and great leader who did what he was asked and busted his tail for the team, 99% of coaches will go to the ends of the earth for them. If your kid's coach isn't helping your kid get a scholarship, you should probably come to the realization that one of two scenario's is possible 1) your kid isn't good enough to play at the next level  2) your kid is a lazy selfish cancer...why should a coach go outside the scope of his job and use his valuable time to reach out and help a kid that didn't bother to show up to practice?, or when he did he faked injuries to not do anything, or loafed around and acted like he was doing coach a favor just by showing up? Coaches are people too, If a kid is an "it's all about me" guy, then he can take that attitude with his recruiting as well and handle it on his own.

There is a third senario. Maby the coach is a selfish, bitter, petty, egocentric, narcissistic, self serving, narrow minded shell of a coach. Who does not always have the best interest of all of his players at heart. But even when you play under a coach like this you can still be successful because what God has for you is for you.

[Trufan]

Total agree.
My point of the story is for people that know me off the site I assist a lot of kids in getting scholarships and putting their name out to the recruiting media.
A lot of the feedback I get from coaches is very negative regarding two SETX schools. One is WOS and the other is Nederland.
Regarding WOD I have had multiple college coaches tell me that unless the HC is in the office when they call he won't return their phones calls, a couple o. Coaches have said prospects from WOS have called them asking them to not mail their recruiting letters to the HS but instead to the recruits home because the coaches at WOS hold the kids mail and could cause them to miss some important documents.
WOS is aurguably the top program in the Triangle but unless it's a major prospect signing D1 you don't see a lot of other kids signs to smaller schools or junior colleges.
At Nederland, I've heard the same except add on the fact that I've been told by recruiting aites they have drove to Nederland to check and see what all kind of talent they have and get height and weight updates and the Nederland HC has kick those reporters off campus. This hurts a kids recruitment very very badly.
Imo if a kid goes out and busy his butt for you be a man and help the kid have a chance at a better life via a college degree. Don't try to be so much of a hard ass that you don't return a phone call or keep a kids mail.
Yes people will say the HC is to busy to return every call. I call BS, return every call if it means even just one more kid on your te getting a scholarship then it's well worth it.

I think it's part of a coaches job to inform a student athlete if a college has attempted to contact that player. Also, unless you are in prison, any mail addressed to a person is the sole property of that person. If that mail is tampered with, opened, sensored, discarded or distroyed, it is considered a federal crime. If I were in the position where this happened to my child I would press charges. There is no need for parents to cuss and fuss when there are issues concerning Their kids. You are a parent and a tax payer. EVERYONE in your ISD is accountable to you. There is nothing wrong for holding them accountable for doing anything within their job description. If you know of someone who is having issues and they are not comfortable dealing with the situation, you as a neighbor, family member, friend or co worker should offer your assistance. As Christians we are supposed to help each other. Don't listen to that bull people cay about it not being your business. If someone needs your help, help them because we are all our brothers keeper.

[jkbtjc53]

My guess is that coaches have very limited time. If a kid was a great kid and great leader who did what he was asked and busted his tail for the team, 99% of coaches will go to the ends of the earth for them. If your kid's coach isn't helping your kid get a scholarship, you should probably come to the realization that one of two scenario's is possible 1) your kid isn't good enough to play at the next level 2) your kid is a lazy selfish cancer...why should a coach go outside the scope of his job and use his valuable time to reach out and help a kid that didn't bother to show up to practice?, or when he did he faked injuries to not do anything, or loafed around and acted like he was doing coach a favor just by showing up? Coaches are people too, If a kid is an "it's all about me" guy, then he can take that attitude with his recruiting as well and handle it on his own.

Some coaches are just lazy. Yeah I want you to give your all for me but I'm not going out of my way for you. That's BS.

[oldschool2]

Sounds to me like we have some mommies and daddies that are blaming coach because Jr didn't get that scholarship to Texas.

What a joke. Kids that are good enough will get found...especially by schools that are going to give scholarships. There are no surprises. SMU will never say "if it weren't that that 1 coach calling me about that 1 kid that 1 time that I had never heard of then our season would've been awful". Give me a break. Big school kids are a lot easier to find. Small school kids have to be freakishly fast...or freakishly big. But they're out there. And if they don't make good grades it doesn't matter anyway.

Coaches can help expose bubble players. Ones in the D2...probably D3 range. Contact college coaches and send film...maybe line up some tryout situations. But that's it. Parents need to just realize that their baby is not as good as they think they are. Not everyone is capable of that level

[One4All]

Sounds to me like we have some mommies and daddies that are blaming coach because Jr didn't get that scholarship to Texas.

What a joke. Kids that are good enough will get found...especially by schools that are going to give scholarships. There are no surprises. SMU will never say "if it weren't that that 1 coach calling me about that 1 kid that 1 time that I had never heard of then our season would've been awful". Give me a break. Big school kids are a lot easier to find. Small school kids have to be freakishly fast...or freakishly big. But they're out there. And if they don't make good grades it doesn't matter anyway.

Coaches can help expose bubble players. Ones in the D2...probably D3 range. Contact college coaches and send film...maybe line up some tryout situations. But that's it. Parents need to just realize that their baby is not as good as they think they are. Not everyone is capable of that level

Lol

[jkbtjc53]

Sounds to me like we have some mommies and daddies that are blaming coach because Jr didn't get that scholarship to Texas.

What a joke. Kids that are good enough will get found...especially by schools that are going to give scholarships. There are no surprises. SMU will never say "if it weren't that that 1 coach calling me about that 1 kid that 1 time that I had never heard of then our season would've been awful". Give me a break. Big school kids are a lot easier to find. Small school kids have to be freakishly fast...or freakishly big. But they're out there. And if they don't make good grades it doesn't matter anyway.

Coaches can help expose bubble players. Ones in the D2...probably D3 range. Contact college coaches and send film...maybe line up some tryout situations. But that's it. Parents need to just realize that their baby is not as good as they think they are. Not everyone is capable of that level

I'm actually in the recruiting field and your 100% wrong. These coaches see 100's of players film a day. If your HC or somebody in the know isn't working the phones or emails you won't get found by the big boys UNLESS you attend a summer camp and catch their eye.

You sound like a coach who's probably not returning phone calls and helping kids out.

[oldschool2]

I'm actually in the recruiting field and your 100% wrong. These coaches see 100's of players film a day. If your HC or somebody in the know isn't working the phones or emails you won't get found by the big boys UNLESS you attend a summer camp and catch their eye.

You sound like a coach who's probably not returning phone calls and helping kids out.

1. I wouldn't coach high school sports for 100k a year. Waaaayyy too many delusional parents and lazy kids to deal with. I'd get fired week 1. Because I am and have always been brutally honest....with anyone.

2. Can you not read? I said coaches can and should do some things for kids not on anyone's radar...that have the ABILITY to play. Not everyone. I honestly believe they do.

Just because PARENTS THINK their kid should've gotten a scholly doesn't mean coach didn't try to help. Only so much they can do.

By the way....do you think Jameis Winston wouldn't have gotten a scholarship to Florida St if the coach "helped" him out. Kind of sounds like that's what you're saying.

[jkbtjc53]

1. I wouldn't coach high school sports for 100k a year. Waaaayyy too many delusional parents and lazy kids to deal with.

Idk if it's that bad. Plenty of good kids and parents who know their kids suck lol.

[gohornets23]

Easy solution to the problem, pressure your local school boards to allow a designated recruiting coordinator on your high school staff. Every coach in Texas would be chomping at the bit for those jobs if it gets them out of the classroom. Fact is..coaches are getting more and more put on their plate, not less. Whatever school it was that said they have one of those guys on staff...awesome..but they are the exception, not the rule. Nowhere in a coaches contract does it say "also..work to ensure that MY kid gets a scholarship".....You know they do give scholarships for stuff other than athletics right? And even if your kid doesn't get one, that's no excuse for why he can't go to the college, the programs to help pay are out there if you really want to go. I don't know how many young men I run into hanging around after high school talking about how they didn't got to college because they didn't get a scholarship in football/baseball/basketball (always somebody else's fault).....like it's impossible to go to college if you don't play sports. 

[Trufan]

1. I wouldn't coach high school sports for 100k a year. Waaaayyy too many delusional parents and lazy kids to deal with. I'd get fired week 1. Because I am and have always been brutally honest....with anyone.
2. Can you not read? I said coaches can and should do some things for kids not on anyone's radar...that have the ABILITY to play. Not everyone. I honestly believe they do.
Just because PARENTS THINK their kid should've gotten a scholly doesn't mean coach didn't try to help. Only so much they can do.
By the way....do you think Jameis Winston wouldn't have gotten a scholarship to Florida St if the coach "helped" him out. Kind of sounds like that's what you're saying.

Oldschool2, I think you either missed my point or you are ignoring it.im not talking about the kid who thinks he is 5 stat but doesn't even start on his own tea because some one else is better. My point is that there are a very small percentage of coaches that for some reason go out of their way to sabotage a kid. I'm talking about when a coach deliberately and intentionally ignore attempted correspondence from college recruiters. I'm talking about when a coach will not allow certain universities on campus. I'm talking about when a coach intentionally withholds mail from universities from a kid. Regardless of what the high school coach thinks of a player, if a college wants to recruit him, that's on them. Like I said before, if whatever the kid did was not bad enough for YOU to kick him off YOUR team, then it isn't worth mentioning to a recruiter. That's means you will allow the kid to help you win games but you DONT want the kid to help himself. #selfishandpetty.

[jkbtjc53]

1. I wouldn't coach high school sports for 100k a year. Waaaayyy too many delusional parents and lazy kids to deal with. I'd get fired week 1. Because I am and have always been brutally honest....with anyone.

2. Can you not read? I said coaches can and should do some things for kids not on anyone's radar...that have the ABILITY to play. Not everyone. I honestly believe they do.

Just because PARENTS THINK their kid should've gotten a scholly doesn't mean coach didn't try to help. Only so much they can do.

By the way....do you think Jameis Winston wouldn't have gotten a scholarship to Florida St if the coach "helped" him out. Kind of sounds like that's what you're saying.

So should the coach have the final say if the kid has the ability to play? There are kids playing FBS ball from West Orange Stark who according to their HC couldn't play for him.

[oldschool2]

So should the coach have the final say if the kid has the ability to play? There are kids playing FBS ball from West Orange Stark who according to their HC couldn't play for him.

Not final say. But if I'm a coach I'm not promoting a kid that can't play according to my judgement. Wether it be judgement of talent or judgement of character.

If I did promote a kid..and they ended up sucking as a college player, flunking out of school, or even not having ability (in the eyes of the college coach) ...well that would be the last college coach that ever trusted my judgement.

Me personally...I would be careful of who I "helped".

[Trufan]

Not final say. But if I'm a coach I'm not promoting a kid that can't play according to my judgement. Wether it be judgement of talent or judgement of character.
If I did promote a kid..and they ended up sucking as a college player, flunking out of school, or even not having ability (in the eyes of the college coach) ...well that would be the last college coach that ever trusted my judgement.
Me personally...I would be careful of who I "helped".

So your answer tojkbtjc53,s question is yes a coach should have the FINAL say so weather a kid should get a scholarship. Who are you to make a decision for a college ? I don't care if the kid is an ax murderer, if the college wants him, that's their business. You my friend are what's wrong with high school football coaches. Coaches like you are the reason recruiters have no respect for the opinion of high school coaches. You value your biased opinion too much.

[oldschool2]

So your answer tojkbtjc53,s question is yes a coach should have the FINAL say so weather a kid should get a scholarship. Who are you to make a decision for a college ? I don't care if the kid is an ax murderer, if the college wants him, that's their business. You my friend are what's wrong with high school football coaches. Coaches like you are the reason recruiters have no respect for the opinion of high school coaches. You value your biased opinion too much.

Let's get a couple of things strait...1. I am not a coach. So no...I am not what's wrong with football coaches today. 2. I am not your friend. 3. Even if a high school coach thinks like I do...they DO NOT HAVE FINAL SAY.

Just because a high school coach does everything he/she can for a kid does not mean they are getting an athletic scholarship. Do you realize the percentage of kids that get athletic scholarships?.. It's a little over 1%. That means roughly 1 out of 100 seniors are getting one.

Stop blaming your high school coach for you not playing football at Texas.

And by the way...I think High School coaches do have a little knowledge on the talent it takes to play at the next level. A lot of them played college ball. And if they didn't, chances are they coached or coached against college players.

And no you are wrong...no high school coach would EVER vouch for "an axe murderer". As you put it.