McKinney Officer

[tvc184]

​Chief wanted to keep his job. Lol I dont blame him. 

​I don't either but I suspect that had that video simply been internal like on an officer's car video and the chief saw it, you would not have seen the same response. 

[tvc184]

Huh?  The kid I saw was pulling  up his pants and had a sipping straw or piece  of stick in his mouth.  

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​That is very easy to make such a conclusion.... assuming that you are sitting back at a different angle from a video at a safe distance or in your living room and not a person from a completely different angle that is in the middle of the action and only a second or two away from a person that could kill you. 

Read the case of Graham v. Connor from 1989. In that case Graham was a completely innocent person that had committed no crime. The police however detained him and in the process thrashed him about a bit and Graham ended up in the hospital. 

I believe that it was a rare unanimous US Supreme Court that cleared the officers of violating Graham's civil rights in a lawsuit. In fact the decision mentioned you (or people like you) when they said that you have to view uses of force as seen by officers in the heat of the moment in "split second" decisions rather than "20/20 hindsight". 

In other words, it is easy to view and respond when not in the position of the officer. 

Edited June 11, 2015 by tvc184

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

​I don't either but I suspect that had that video simply been internal like on an officer's car video and the chief saw it, you would not have seen the same response. 

​oh I totally agree! And if there hadn't been video at all. 

[BLUEDOVE3]

Yeah, out of control, and you keep using the word stress. I agree and think fear was a huge factor for his reaction. The way cops have been portrayed lately, not to mention the execution of some officers and others being shot in the line of duty, he may have still crossed a line, but I'm not sure I could have handled it any better. He shot no one and resigned. What else is there?

 

It looked to me that the girl resisted and the two guys may have been coming to her aid?

​Watch the video again. The young lady is just sitting there (stressed out )and he goes back to her and wrestles her down to the ground. She was not a threat at that moment. He could have defused the situation.

[BLUEDOVE3]

​Chief wanted to keep his job. Lol I dont blame him. 

​Yep, I don't blame him.

[baddog]

​Watch the video again. The young lady is just sitting there (stressed out )and he goes back to her and wrestles her down to the ground. She was not a threat at that moment. He could have defused the situation.

It's tough enough for a male cop to wrestle with a beautiful bikini clad female and not be charged with indecency. I saw her refuse to get on the ground which is resisting. Like I said, not trying to take sides, but no one tries to view it from the cop's POV. Playing devil's advocate.

[LumRaiderFan]

It's tough enough for a male cop to wrestle with a beautiful bikini clad female and not be charged with indecency. I saw her refuse to get on the ground which is resisting. Like I said, not trying to take sides, but no one tries to view it from the cop's POV. Playing devil's advocate.

​Very true

[thetragichippy]

​you didn't like the barrel roll? 

​The barrel roll was the best part of the video...I wish I could still recover from a fall that fast......

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

​The barrel roll was the best part of the video...I wish I could still recover from a fall that fast......

​man when I saw that I thought that part was a skit, I was crying laughing. 

[Big girl]

​I agree.....but Man, that video looks pretty bad.....He appears to be freaking out. 

I agree 

 That tuck and roll was completely unnecessary. He should be drug tested. He was running around like he was "amped " up. He did use excessive  force. I thought other officers  were on the scene  as well.

[Big girl]

​man when I saw that I thought that part was a skit, I was crying laughing. 

Me too

[Big girl]

​Very true

You don't think he used excessive force?  I don't think that is resisting arrest , because he wasn't  trying to arrest her.

[baddog]

You don't think he used excessive force?  I don't think that is resisting arrest , because he wasn't  trying to arrest her.

One does not have to be under arrest to resist.

[thetragichippy]

I agree 

 That tuck and roll was completely unnecessary. He should be drug tested. He was running around like he was "amped " up. He did use excessive  force. I thought other officers  were on the scene  as well.

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Big Girl, I thought hell might have frozen over when i thought we finally agreed on something......lol

I'm 99.99999% sure that tuck and roll was not intentional, he tripped and somehow recovered....I give him a 9.6 on form.

The other officers were doing their job.....Let's not let one situation negate the other.......the teens were out of control and needed to be handled. 

[BLUEDOVE3]

man, I went back and watched the video again. He threw a male teenager (left him) and went to the female and practically laid on her.

[bullets13]

man, I went back and watched the video again. He threw a male teenager (left him) and went to the female and practically laid on her.

He overreacted.  He's paying the price.  I still think the bigger problem in society is the fact that teenagers think it's okay to curse and scream at cops while disobeying their orders.   

[BLUEDOVE3]

He overreacted.  He's paying the price.  I still think the bigger problem in society is the fact that teenagers think it's okay to curse and scream at cops while disobeying their orders.   

I agree, teens should be respectful. But another bigger problem is the cell phone. People have been complaining for years about the mistreatment from cops.

[Big girl]

One does not have to be under arrest to resist.

That's not what I read

[Big girl]

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Big Girl, I thought hell might have frozen over when i thought we finally agreed on something......lol

I'm 99.99999% sure that tuck and roll was not intentional, he tripped and somehow recovered....I give him a 9.6 on form.

The other officers were doing their job.....Let's not let one situation negate the other.......the teens were out of control and needed to be handled. 

I disagree. That was a beautiful  tuck and roll. Watch the video.  Classic

[LumRaiderFan]

That's not what I read

​Where did you read this...can you post that link?

[bullets13]

I agree, teens should be respectful. But another bigger problem is the cell phone. People have been complaining for years about the mistreatment from cops.

More often than not people want to fight the police, then complain when police fight back.  All these cellphones, yet only a handful of incidents have been shown where cops did something wrong.  But the way it's plastered all over the media, it gives the APPEARANCE of a huge problem, the BIGGEST problem according to some.  In reality, policing can be a violent job, and never looks good on video.   That doesn't mean that the vast majority of police aren't doing their job well.  Even in this situation, as poorly as the officer handled himself, had the teen had any respect at all for authority and obeyed one of the several reasonable orders he gave her to leave, rather than screaming profanity at him, all would've been avoided.  Her lack of respect was undoubtedly fueled by the misrepresentation of police in the media. Again, this does not excuse his actions, but as long as the media continues to fuel this fire of hate and disrespect towards officers, there will continue to be situations that escalate because citizens refuse to follow reasonable orders.  And once things start to get out of hand, stuff like this will happen.

[Big girl]

True, and not taking sides. Just trying to insert myself into the scene. Fear is a provocative emotion.

Could it be a lack of training for these scenarios?

Most definitely.  I am glad that the other cops on the scene were more calm

Edited June 11, 2015 by Big girl
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[Big girl]

More often than not people want to fight the police, then complain when police fight back.  All these cellphones, yet only a handful of incidents have been shown where cops did something wrong.  But the way it's plastered all over the media, it gives the APPEARANCE of a huge problem, the BIGGEST problem according to some.  In reality, policing can be a violent job, and never looks good on video.   That doesn't mean that the vast majority of police aren't doing their job well.  Even in this situation, as poorly as the officer handled himself, had the teen had any respect at all for authority and obeyed one of the several reasonable orders he gave her to leave, rather than screaming profanity at him, all would've been avoided.  Her lack of respect was undoubtedly fueled by the misrepresentation of police in the media. Again, this does not excuse his actions, but as long as the media continues to fuel this fire of hate and disrespect towards officers, there will continue to be situations that escalate because citizens refuse to follow reasonable orders.  And once things start to get out of hand, stuff like this will happen.

Who was fighting the police

[Big girl]

I would lean towards a personality flaw.  the 11 other officers appeared to handle themselves pretty well.

It looked like he was.om some type of drug or maybe he has adhd and forgot to take his meds

[Big girl]

I agree, teens should be respectful. But another bigger problem is the cell phone. People have been complaining for years about the mistreatment from cops.

Don't you find it odd that the black kids were the only ones being terrorized. We're all of the white kids obeying the cops?