Olddog Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 It appears to be a great opportunity for PNG to get the win. WOS is young, and starting lots of newbies. If PNG can run effectively they might just get it done. If they cant......WOS gonna pin them ears back and bring it all night. IMO,the Stangs take it in a close low scoring game.PNG should win with there experience but PNG is going to see a faster , quicker , more intense team and tempo than they are used to . How they adapt will decide their outcome ? I agree with outanup totally ! Plus Mustangs have your number ! PNG iin spite of on field talent . Quote
AshlyHasBeen Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 With all the talk of PN-G defense, or lack there of, I looked up all of Faircloth teams vs Burnett teams.Also the best defense in recent memory is one of the most over looked. 1996. They lost a heartbreaker to Jacksonville in the 2nd round.BF2014: 40.6 - 23.7 (Bi-District Finalist)2013: 32.1 - 24.6 (Bi-District Finalist)2012: 18.4 - 36.52011: 33.5 - 19.3 (Bi-District Finalist)2010: 37.3 - 29.9 (Regional Quarterfinalist)2009: 28.0 - 14.3 (Area Finalist)---------------------------MB2008: 18.4 - 24.02007: 22.2 - 16.0 (Area Finalist)2006: 17.1 - 24.02005: 28.1 - 26.02004: 23.0 - 20.3 (Area Finalist)2003: 30.0 - 12.8 (Area Finalist)2002: 18.7 - 16.42001: 17.8 - 26.32000: 18.9 - 15.11999: 30.5 - 15.9 (State Finalist)1998: 30.6 - 11.3 (Bi-District Finalist)1997: 25.1 - 18.1 (Area Finalist)1996: 30.8 - 9.1 (Area Finalist)1995: 18.1 - 27.21994: 17.8 - 27.7 1996 (10-2-0) (369-109)Port Neches-Groves 39, South Houston 0Port Neches-Groves 30, Newton 6Port Neches-Groves 49, Silsbee 9Port Neches-Groves 7, Vidor 6Port Neches-Groves 6, Lincoln 12Port Neches-Groves 41, Little Cypress-Mauriceville 0Port Neches-Groves 35, West Orange-Stark 7Port Neches-Groves 17, Nederland 14Port Neches-Groves 69, Lumberton 7Port Neches-Groves 27, Bridge City 26Port Neches-Groves 42, Livingston 8Port Neches-Groves 7, Jacksonville 14 Mr. Buddy Garrity and Kj Dad 2 Quote
kicker Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 With all the talk of PN-G defense, or lack there of, I looked up all of Faircloth teams vs Burnett teams.Also the best defense in recent memory is one of the most over looked. 1996. They lost a heartbreaker to Jacksonville in the 2nd round.BF2014: 40.6 - 23.7 (Bi-District Finalist)2013: 32.1 - 24.6 (Bi-District Finalist)2012: 18.4 - 36.52011: 33.5 - 19.3 (Bi-District Finalist)2010: 37.3 - 29.9 (Regional Quarterfinalist)2009: 28.0 - 14.3 (Area Finalist)---------------------------MB2008: 18.4 - 24.02007: 22.2 - 16.0 (Area Finalist)2006: 17.1 - 24.02005: 28.1 - 26.02004: 23.0 - 20.3 (Area Finalist)2003: 30.0 - 12.8 (Area Finalist)2002: 18.7 - 16.42001: 17.8 - 26.32000: 18.9 - 15.11999: 30.5 - 15.9 (State Finalist)1998: 30.6 - 11.3 (Bi-District Finalist)1997: 25.1 - 18.1 (Area Finalist)1996: 30.8 - 9.1 (Area Finalist)1995: 18.1 - 27.21994: 17.8 - 27.7 1996 (10-2-0) (369-109)Port Neches-Groves 39, South Houston 0Port Neches-Groves 30, Newton 6Port Neches-Groves 49, Silsbee 9Port Neches-Groves 7, Vidor 6Port Neches-Groves 6, Lincoln 12Port Neches-Groves 41, Little Cypress-Mauriceville 0Port Neches-Groves 35, West Orange-Stark 7Port Neches-Groves 17, Nederland 14Port Neches-Groves 69, Lumberton 7Port Neches-Groves 27, Bridge City 26Port Neches-Groves 42, Livingston 8Port Neches-Groves 7, Jacksonville 14I could be getting my years mixed up but I believe we played a double header at Bowers stadium. can swear I remeber getting off the bus and PNG was leaving. We lost to Waller 23-20. Could be way off here but I think I can remeber us playing at the same stadium on the same day. Or maybe Nederland? Anyways we lost 3 district games that year and still made the playoffs. Needed help though. Our young team gelled after the PNG loss. prepballfan 1 Quote
Whoa Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 I didn't realize how long Burnett was at PNG. nor how successful he was. prepballfan 1 Quote
prepballfan Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 Faircloth teams averaged 24.7 points per game allowed on defense Burnett defenses averaged 19.4 ppg allowed Quote
prepballfan Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) Faircloth teams averaged 31.7 ppg Burnett teams averaged 23.2 ppg Edited September 2, 2015 by prepballfan Quote
Gabe Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 PN-G defense finished second in district last year. During the playoff loss to Dayton the Indians were without both Trey Rembert and Michael Hughes. prepballfan, Mr. Buddy Garrity, hookem14 and 1 other 4 Quote
Stattrax Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 atmosphere word again Comparing apples to oranges. Different style of play from back then to now. If BF can get to a SC game then he will have done what MB did. Until then, it is what it is.... outanup 1 Quote
Stattrax Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 I consider myself a walking encyclopedia from the 80s on.. So take out the 70s runs i can tell you this much... MBs best defense was 96. Heartbreaker to Jacksonville on a botched call in which a A&M commit hit a knee and wasnt called down......... 2nd best was 99.. You all know that story... Last was 07(Im thinking) which his son and Sheaxnaider where ends... The best I have seen in my day was 89. But MB was only a d-line coach. Pat Fischer was the DC and was a dam good one... the 80s where a wash except for 89... MB might have had some better statistical defenses, but those where his best units.... Quote
prepballfan Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 i thinks it's definitely worth the comparison why would it not be? I however am not a guru or expert but do think that it's definitely worth looking at. Don't think judging a coach by SC appearances will help much. hookem14 1 Quote
RaiderGirl2010 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 Hey PNG fans I'll be there in my Lumberton shirt supporting yall lol Indianforever and prepballfan 2 Quote
Tj yellow jacket Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 What did Dallas end up with on stats last year? prepballfan 1 Quote
kicker Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) Going into SC game he had 2253 yards passing. 29 TD's and 6 INT.If I remeber correctly, 5 of the 6 INTs on the year were in the playoffs with 2 in the SC game. pretty dang good numbers for a Sophomore that was supposed to be on JV the night before the first game. Kids a baller! Edited September 2, 2015 by kicker prepballfan, marshman, Mr. Buddy Garrity and 2 others 5 Quote
prepballfan Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 This will be a battel of two great quarterbacks Olddog 1 Quote
kicker Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 In SC Game, he was 11-23 193yrds 2TD(passing) 2 Int. Also had a nice rushing TD. prepballfan 1 Quote
Gasilla Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 i drove past the reservation and they already had the score board on. it showed PNG 14 WOS 0 to start the gameThere are few who REALLY understand this. griff and jake94 2 Quote
outanup Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 Didnt the Stangs bring in a receiver to play qb in last years game? First qb moved, 2nd removed fom team and #3 hurt during the PNG game.....Was #3 Dallas? Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 Didnt the Stangs bring in a receiver to play qb in last years game? First qb moved, 2nd removed fom team and #3 hurt during the PNG game.....Was #3 Dallas?i believe number 18 took over for Dallas in that one. He was a WR. td 1 Quote
Cougar14.2 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 If PNG wants to be taken seriously they probably need to win this game handily. A loss doesn't really bode well for later success. Just looking at some past seasons it seems WOS hasn't beat a team that won a 4A/5A playoff game later that season in 7 years. If WOS can rack up points on PNG with 10 new starters on O this early in the season, you're probably looking at more of the same from the Indians this year. Quote
Stattrax Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 i thinks it's definitely worth the comparison why would it not be? I however am not a guru or expert but do think that it's definitely worth looking at. Don't think judging a coach by SC appearances will help much.To each his own.. What some consider great and others consider great is always two different things... It's kinda like Tony Romo... You take him on your fantasy team because he put up numbers... That doesn't relegate to he wins games though... But this is not a argument I even care to take any further... Quote
Stattrax Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 If PNG wants to be taken seriously they probably need to win this game handily. A loss doesn't really bode well for later success. Just looking at some past seasons it seems WOS hasn't beat a team that won a 4A/5A playoff game later that season in 7 years. If WOS can rack up points on PNG with 10 new starters on O this early in the season, you're probably looking at more of the same from the Indians this year. I wouldn't say handily... Just win... Regardless this will not make or break the season... It will Definately make us better... I can promise you WOS is going to score some points... Read past some of these posts, you know the deal... It's the biggest test we have had to date, and WOS basically owns us, so it should be a good game.. We have a good quarterback and a good receiving core... Our defense looks like they might be able to make a few stops.. But Clear Lake was more like a JV team IMO... So it's all still a toss up in my eyes.., I do know WOS has tons of SPEED... And you all know, you can't teach that... It appears that Nederland, Central, and Ozen, are wanting to get in the playoffs, so I think this can be a good rehearsal for them... Quote
Stattrax Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) Didnt the Stangs bring in a receiver to play qb in last years game? First qb moved, 2nd removed fom team and #3 hurt during the PNG game.....Was #3 Dallas?You are correct.. Rutledge was done, Dallas got hurt, and they brought in a 3rd teamer that ran sideline to sideline, and we couldn't stop it... In typical WOS fashion they turned it up in the 2nd half and beat us in OT... Edited September 2, 2015 by Stattrax Quote
fox Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) You are correct.. Rutledge was done, Dallas got hurt, and they brought in a 3rd teamer that ran sideline to sideline, and we couldn't stop it... In typical WOS fashion they turned it up in the 2nd half and beat us in OT...according to PNG fans last year it was the REFs who beat y'all.....but i guess you already know that since you are the "walking encyclopedia from the 80s on". Edited September 2, 2015 by fox Kj Dad 1 Quote
Stattrax Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 according to PNG fans last year it was the REFs who beat y'all.....Yeah well that's not the case.... A loss is a loss.. We lost because they outplayed us in th 2nd half.. No excuses, but that... CAL2TEX, outanup and Kj Dad 3 Quote
GUNHO Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) If PNG wants to be taken seriously they probably need to win this game handily. A loss doesn't really bode well for later success. Just looking at some past seasons it seems WOS hasn't beat a team that won a 4A/5A playoff game later that season in 7 years. If WOS can rack up points on PNG with 10 new starters on O this early in the season, you're probably looking at more of the same from the Indians this year. WO-S has had several seasons with early losses and went on to have great seasons.So unless WO-S blows PNG away( which they wont ) a loss will make them work that much harder. Edited September 2, 2015 by GUNHO Quote
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