Crosby vs Barbers Hill

[Cougar14.2]

I think BH will struggle to compete on a consistent basis until their enrollment gets up around 1700-1800 kids. BH is just limited with what they can do athletically, even if they start throwing the ball more. It's just going to take a little time and some very good coaching to make up where BH is deficient. 

[Banned]

Go Crosby!!^

[Scatright]

You can jump on the Price train now , but what happened when he couldn't scratch a win out at HF. CEK talent fell in the mans lap .. the talent will dry up and he will be on the hunt for the next talent pool

Jump on the Price train now? I was here a few years ago when you guys wanted to run him out of town. I told you then it was a mistake, and I still say the same thing. HF was heading in the right direction when he got tired of the village nutcases there and took the step up to CEK. Talent fell in his lap? You must be kidding. King has always had talent, they just needed someone who knew football. BH decided that running the wing T at the 4A (now 5A) level was a good idea. We see how that has worked out for you. Maybe if you can coax Andy Evans to move home, you guys might have a shot to become what you once were. And hey, there is always the option of apologizing to Don Price and asking him to come back home. I'm assuming that this will be the last season that Coach Gage will be on the Hill.

[BHFAN]

Jump on the Price train now? I was here a few years ago when you guys wanted to run him out of town. I told you then it was a mistake, and I still say the same thing. HF was heading in the right direction when he got tired of the village nutcases there and took the step up to CEK. Talent fell in his lap? You must be kidding. King has always had talent, they just needed someone who knew football. BH decided that running the wing T at the 4A (now 5A) level was a good idea. We see how that has worked out for you. Maybe if you can coax Andy Evans to move home, you guys might have a shot to become what you once were. And hey, there is always the option of apologizing to Don Price and asking him to come back home. I'm assuming that this will be the last season that Coach Gage will be on the Hill.

Mrs. Price is that you?

[BHFAN]

I think BH will struggle to compete on a consistent basis until their enrollment gets up around 1700-1800 kids. BH is just limited with what they can do athletically, even if they start throwing the ball more. It's just going to take a little time and some very good coaching to make up where BH is deficient. 

Agreed... BH did well at the upper end of 3A back in the day, but struggle now. Crosby went out and got them a very good coaching staff to go along with the talent which has put yall in the drivers seat.

[Clueless]

It's funny how so many people get on here to bash BH when our athletics are down. We are consistent in area that matters and that's academics. While I would love to have success in athletics, me and everyone else in BHISD are proud that kids are getting a quality education to prepare our kids to be successful citizens as adults. We are at the top or towards the top of any school district in the Houston area. That's something we're happy to beat our chest about. For most kids at any of your schools, their glory years are done after 4 years, our kids glory years go well beyond high school with achievements far greater then winning a football game.

[Scatright]

It's funny how so many people get on here to bash BH when our athletics are down. We are consistent in area that matters and that's academics. While I would love to have success in athletics, me and everyone else in BHISD are proud that kids are getting a quality education to prepare our kids to be successful citizens as adults. We are at the top or towards the top of any school district in the Houston area. That's something we're happy to beat our chest about. For most kids at any of your schools, their glory years are done after 4 years, our kids glory years go well beyond high school with achievements far greater then winning a football game.

Everyone agrees that BH's academics are top notch. I would love for my sons to go to school there. The fact remains, you guys pay what you do for a football coach for a reason. That guy isn't delivering, and the town isn't happy about it. With the amount of students at BH, they should be able to compete. They are running a terrible offense for the level of football they are playing. It will take years to deconstruct that philosophy. Seriously though, Andy Evans has to be the guy to come and turn it around. Back the Brinks truck up and bring him home at the end of this season.

[Banned]

It's funny how so many people get on here to bash BH when our athletics are down. We are consistent in area that matters and that's academics. While I would love to have success in athletics, me and everyone else in BHISD are proud that kids are getting a quality education to prepare our kids to be successful citizens as adults. We are at the top or towards the top of any school district in the Houston area. That's something we're happy to beat our chest about. For most kids at any of your schools, their glory years are done after 4 years, our kids glory years go well beyond high school with achievements far greater then winning a football game.

Then go to an academic website and all you mensa boys can talk quantum physics, this is a football thread. Youv'e been on here for years bumping your gums about Crosby and telling folks how good BH WAS in football so reap what y'all have sown. Funny thing is, Crosby WILL be graduating two from Rice with honors probably, a masters at TCU, future MLB player that graduated with honors, another kid that will play under the shield next year, and several Div I honors bestowed in the next few years, oh and BTW ranked number 2 in the state. So wallow in your self pity and deflect the fact that Crosby is coming in your house for a beatdown (unless BH's 1920's offense can't milk the clock to keep it respectable) with what I'm sure is a shot at Crosby with academic talk and we'll just go about business as usual, like have our cake and eat it too!!!!!

oh and,

 

 

Go Crosby!!

[Justafan72]

You can jump on the Price train now , but what happened when he couldn't scratch a win out at HF. CEK talent fell in the mans lap .. the talent will dry up and he will be on the hunt for the next talent pool

I think you are fast forwarding to 2016.Sub varsity talent is falling off and numbers are down.Next year will be the down year for KING.The Williams/Brantley train will leave the station.

 

[Eagle82]

Everyone agrees that BH's academics are top notch. I would love for my sons to go to school there. The fact remains, you guys pay what you do for a football coach for a reason. That guy isn't delivering, and the town isn't happy about it. With the amount of students at BH, they should be able to compete. They are running a terrible offense for the level of football they are playing. It will take years to deconstruct that philosophy. Seriously though, Andy Evans has to be the guy to come and turn it around. Back the Brinks truck up and bring him home at the end of this season.

You know, we can all bash Price (as I did NOT like his coaching style), or Gage, ( I was excited for him to bring something different to the table and in theory could work, but not with what he has to work with), or anybody else.  Nobody really liked Gene Sharp cuz he was a tough SOB, but he got results in the 70's.  Nobody really loved Pudgy Richardson, but he too won a state championship.  Point being, yes, it takes a coach that connects to the kids, has a sound system, has a school administration that allows for risks, and has a fan base that allows time for results.  If you don't have one or two of these, well, it will be tough. It is rare that a new coach comes in, implements a whole new scheme and attitude and is successful UNLESS they have a whole host of super athletes.  Oh it happens, but it's not the norm, it's the exception.  The thing that gripes me is that BH used to be successful.  Why, I believe we were successful because our growth was slow or inconsequential.  That allowed fans, administration etc to all come around and allowed the coaching staffs to work and know exactly what they have to work with.  Over the past 6 or 7 years, BH has seen amazing growth and with that growth comes a dilution of the old fan base, new attitudes, etc...that does look strange to anyone outside.  My theory is it's just the nature of the beast.  PNG, Nederland, Dayton, Crosby has not seen the super growth as the Hill.  They have had a steady system from enrollment, coaching staffs although Crosby and PNG have gotten really good coaches, everything has basically stayed the same for the most part which is crucial.  In addition, when you look at the socio-economic structure of BH (and this is by no means a race thing so don't even try to go there), the BH area is becoming one of the most residentially affluent areas in all of the Houston area -( and yes, that allows for super-payrolls in the school districts.)  This is not my observation, this is published within the housing development communities.  I'm sure there are families out there that would love to move to the Hill for many reasons, but the housing costs prohibit that.  (There are those too I'm sure that wouldn't move there to save their lives and that's ok too!).  All I'm saying is that there are ton of reasons why the hill is suffering from it's  (elite football prowess of yesteryear), and it's called evolution.  One day, the Hill will again be competitive on a consistent basis (consistent as defined by playoff appearances) in football, but until that time, go ahead take your pop-shots, belittle and mock.  We have what we have, we are who we are, and the kids are winners in life whether they win in football, basketball, baseball, volleyball, softball or whatever!  (Although it would be more fun for us old gasbags if we did...lol)!!

...and as for as Andy Evans?  He was a year behind me in school and even as a young man, he had style, an infectious style that just made you like and respect him.  I would love for Andy to return to the Hill and if it cost more money, well...great.  But if he did, and wasn't successful, the same whole host of you would say something negative as to why he wasn't so I'm not sure it really matters.  I would still like it though for sentimental reasons!!

 

[BHFAN]

Nice Post 82..^^^^^^

[PlayActionPass]

With the type of kids BH has they could easily become a a mirror image of PNG. They just need to get the right coach in there. Or, God forbid they run the dang option out of the Pistol and throw it 20 times a game to keep the defense honest and have a two headed offensive monster. They are too predictable for this level of football.

[Eagle82]

With the type of kids BH has they could easily become a a mirror image of PNG. They just need to get the right coach in there. Or, God forbid they run the dang option out of the Pistol and throw it 20 times a game to keep the defense honest and have a two headed offensive monster. They are too predictable for this level of football.

Trust me, I would love to see some creativity with the existing scheme...but I don't think we will.

 

[PlayActionPass]

It amazes me that some coaches refuse to evolve. What worked last week, isn't necessarily going to work this week. Let alone 5 or 10 years ago. You have to willing to change with the times as a coach. Especially at the 5A/6A level. And unfortunately, kids have other opportunities to occupy their time. If what you do as a football coach is not enjoyable or exciting, then your numbers will continue to drop.  

[PlayActionPass]

OBTW, they legalized the forward pass a few years ago..

[BlackShirts5]

You know, we can all bash Price (as I did NOT like his coaching style), or Gage, ( I was excited for him to bring something different to the table and in theory could work, but not with what he has to work with), or anybody else.  Nobody really liked Gene Sharp cuz he was a tough SOB, but he got results in the 70's.  Nobody really loved Pudgy Richardson, but he too won a state championship.  Point being, yes, it takes a coach that connects to the kids, has a sound system, has a school administration that allows for risks, and has a fan base that allows time for results.  If you don't have one or two of these, well, it will be tough. It is rare that a new coach comes in, implements a whole new scheme and attitude and is successful UNLESS they have a whole host of super athletes.  Oh it happens, but it's not the norm, it's the exception.  The thing that gripes me is that BH used to be successful.  Why, I believe we were successful because our growth was slow or inconsequential.  That allowed fans, administration etc to all come around and allowed the coaching staffs to work and know exactly what they have to work with.  Over the past 6 or 7 years, BH has seen amazing growth and with that growth comes a dilution of the old fan base, new attitudes, etc...that does look strange to anyone outside.  My theory is it's just the nature of the beast.  PNG, Nederland, Dayton, Crosby has not seen the super growth as the Hill.  They have had a steady system from enrollment, coaching staffs although Crosby and PNG have gotten really good coaches, everything has basically stayed the same for the most part which is crucial.  In addition, when you look at the socio-economic structure of BH (and this is by no means a race thing so don't even try to go there), the BH area is becoming one of the most residentially affluent areas in all of the Houston area -( and yes, that allows for super-payrolls in the school districts.)  This is not my observation, this is published within the housing development communities.  I'm sure there are families out there that would love to move to the Hill for many reasons, but the housing costs prohibit that.  (There are those too I'm sure that wouldn't move there to save their lives and that's ok too!).  All I'm saying is that there are ton of reasons why the hill is suffering from it's  (elite football prowess of yesteryear), and it's called evolution.  One day, the Hill will again be competitive on a consistent basis (consistent as defined by playoff appearances) in football, but until that time, go ahead take your pop-shots, belittle and mock.  We have what we have, we are who we are, and the kids are winners in life whether they win in football, basketball, baseball, volleyball, softball or whatever!  (Although it would be more fun for us old gasbags if we did...lol)!!

...and as for as Andy Evans?  He was a year behind me in school and even as a young man, he had style, an infectious style that just made you like and respect him.  I would love for Andy to return to the Hill and if it cost more money, well...great.  But if he did, and wasn't successful, the same whole host of you would say something negative as to why he wasn't so I'm not sure it really matters.  I would still like it though for sentimental reasons!!

 

In my opinion Price was a good coach and did some thing right.  From 95-97 had a ton of talent. Head coach was looking back questionable.  As soon as Price took over the talent didn't get any better but he used a scheme that fit and took those next teams to the playoffs and did well at-least I thought.  Coaching ans scheme has alot to do with BH success. 

[PlayActionPass]

A Head Football Coach has to be a great football mind, but he also has to be a Politician and an Entertainer. He has to be able to galvanize a community behind him and his vision. With the evolution of the BH community, they need a leader with a vibrant, outgoing, progressive personality. And yes, sometimes you have go around a kiss babies and shake a lot of hands and slap a lot of backs. It comes with the job.

[BlackShirts5]

A Head Football Coach has to be a great football mind, but he also has to be a Politician and an Entertainer. He has to be able to galvanize a community behind him and his vision. With the evolution of the BH community, they need a leader with a vibrant, outgoing, progressive personality. And yes, sometimes you have go around a kiss babies and shake a lot of hands and slap a lot of backs. It comes with the job.

Cant say I disagree with any of that..

[Bigdog]

It amazes me that some coaches refuse to evolve. What worked last week, isn't necessarily going to work this week. Let alone 5 or 10 years ago. You have to willing to change with the times as a coach. Especially at the 5A/6A level. And unfortunately, kids have other opportunities to occupy their time. If what you do as a football coach is not enjoyable or exciting, then your numbers will continue to drop.  

Sounds like the same thing that is happening in Vidor.  I know that Matthews is a good man (before the vidor posters start attacking) but he runs the same scheme year in and year out and it really hasn't gotten him anywhere , with the exception of the two Quirante years.

[Hagar]

Sounds like the same thing that is happening in Vidor.  I know that Matthews is a good man (before the vidor posters start attacking) but he runs the same scheme year in and year out and it really hasn't gotten him anywhere , with the exception of the two Quirante years.

No bash on your opinion of Matthews, just want to say his record at Vidor probably exceeds most Coaches Vidor's ever had.  He's no Newmann, but consistently fields a competitive club.  Add to that the fact that he has class, and he brings a lot to the plus side of the ledger.  

BH, like Ltown has number problems. That plus being in a high quality District, makes a winning record extremely difficult.  Hope Ned, Vidor, and BH win to night (hope we get a tax cut today too lol). 

[bljnhjs19]

Yes the head coach has to be a good football mind....but I don't think he needs to be a politician.  He has to be able to get the kids to buy in. That is a mark of a gods coach.....do the kids want to play for you. Gage is not that coach. BH thought he would be because he won in Louisville when they only had one high school back in mid 90s.....nobody cared around here and most coaches that are from this area didnt even know who the heck he was till he got to BH. It will take time for the new coach next year, which if BH extends Gage's contract they are ignorant, to change to a new system. The problem now with throwing the ball for the hill is you don't have a QB that can throw at any level. You have great kids and good coaches, but I don't think your  head coach is very good. He's way past his prime. Every coach he brought with him when he got to BH is now gone ( for various reasons ) question is will you school board give the new AD the ability to clean house like Gage did?

Edited September 11, 2015 by bljnhjs19

[Banned]

Go Crosby!!