Out or safe

[MoFo]

Rule question. Ball is thrown to 3rd baseman and tag is made on sliding runner.. Clearly out... 3rd baseman takes 2 or 3 jogs toward pitchers mound after tag and flips ball from glove ( no transfer to open hand) and ball hits ground... Your call

 

Happen to us (HJ) in Halletsville tourney, base ump called runner safe after ball hit ground. As a TASO ump myself I think the ump booted it as the 3rd baseman showed control of the ball, but have a remote doubt on my thoughts as the ball never went to open hand. I know that rule has changed somewhat on double play calls but did it change on fly balls and tags?

 

[MoFo]

Admin may delete I added this to Ask Mr. Ump

 

[Ty Cobb]

If it happened the way you describe, the correct call is out.  Why would it not be an out?

[MoFo]

Player showed control of the ball and it was a deliberate movement to flip the ball to the pitcher.

 

[MoFo]

A CATCH is the act of a fielder in getting secure possession in his hand or glove of a ball in flight and firmly holding it; providing he does not use his cap, protector, pocket or any other part of his uniform in getting possession. It is not a catch, however, if simultaneously or immediately following his contact with the ball, he collides with a player, or with a wall, or if he falls down, and as a result of such collision or falling, drops the ball. It is not a catch if a fielder touches a fly ball which then hits a member of the offensive team or an umpire and then is caught by another defensive player. If the fielder has made the catch and drops the ball while in the act of making a throw following the catch, the ball shall be adjudged to have been caught. In establishing the validity of the catch, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball and that his release of the ball is voluntary and intentional.

[IT'S IN THE BONE]

Of course he is out...that's an ump trying to be a micro manager or the rule book and forgets to apply common sense...JMO