TVC,opinions on this?

[tvc184]

27 minutes ago, BS Wildcats said:

Tensions will always run high when the perp does not comply.  Let the officer do his job without all the "what are you doing this to me for" and the resisting.  If there is no cause for an arrest, you will be your way.  The moment any resistance arises, tensions escalate and that is when something can happen.  

It is too easy to comply with lawful orders when confrontation is the desire. 

[team first]

9 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

The chest has the most vital organs in the body.  So, you shoot the chest point blank in an effort to restrain or to kill?  Did those two officers feel like their life was in danger even whole they had him on his  back pinned?  Also, how ironic that BOTH of those officer's body cams conveniently didn't record anything....

Officers body cams fell off , one was actually hanging from his chest. I believe they both worked, and I assume will be released when the time is needed 

[BMTSoulja1]

1 hour ago, BS Wildcats said:

Tensions will always run high when the perp does not comply.  Let the officer do his job without all the "what are you doing this to me for" and the resisting.  If there is no cause for an arrest, you will be your way.  The moment any resistance arises, tensions escalate and that is when something can happen.  

Something like 6 fatal shots in the chest....  Siiiigh

[BMTSoulja1]

1 hour ago, tvc184 said:

I have only said that let the facts come out. I have not said a single time that any of the officers involved were innocent. Your response to the incidents is that the officers are wrong until proven innocent and there is no evidence that can prove that. 

Now that is sad. You don't want facts, you want rhetoric.

Approximately 7% of the country are black males. They have killed police officers an average of 40% of the police officers killed each year according to FBI statistics for 6 years (2008-2013 or the last years available) or at almost 600% more than their population. Care to explain how you complain on the number of blacks killed by the police but are very likely to ignore the reasons such deadly confrontations are happening? How does one group kill at 6 times their population and it is almost completely ignored? Try to spin that as a half full glass. 

Feel free to show where any of what I said was twisted. 

I'm a man of fair debate.  If it's a spade, I call it a spade.  If it's wrong, then its wrong.  In this particular incident in Baton Rouge, the officer is definitely wrong.  Not trying to spin it at all.  

BTW, did you see what the store owner said?  The police confiscated all cell phone video and took the store's surveillance video and now, it's mysteriously missing.  Luckily, the store owner was able to sneakily keep his cell phone video, showing the incident from a different angle.  Again, how convenient was it that the officer's body cam didn't catch anything?  Had the store owner's cell video been confiscated, we would only have what they want us to see...  And conspiracy theories are another topic another day that I won't be discussing...  Lol

[BMTSoulja1]

1 hour ago, tvc184 said:

It is too easy to comply with lawful orders when confrontation is the desire. 

I've been detained wrongfully and harrassed by policemen.  I complied and remained silent, that's until ibwas called a 'dumb drug dealer' while handcuffed.  Anyone that knows me knows that I NEVER touch that stuff. Again, another story, another day on why I was coined as a dumb drug dealer.  I then mouthed off to the officer's, but did so in a non threatening manor.  The reason for me saying that is because I'm a FIRM believer in complying with police.

[Sports10]

9 hours ago, tvc184 said:

Maybe when you say I "agree 100%" with the MN shooting, you need to choose your words more carefully. 

Of course you did also say "not all the facts were out", I guess meaning that you weren't really 100% sure.... but then... "seems like the cop was the one wrong". 

Yeah, I then had the audacity to ask you based on what. You know, facts? Like I said, the only fact we knew at the time is that the guy was dead and it was from an officer shooting him. Almost nothing else was known. 

Now it at least appears that this had nothing to do with a taillight out but rather being a possible suspect in a recent (I believe just happened) armed robbery. 

I guess that puts me on a high horse for wanting to see what we can prove and you I suppose, needing to choose your words better since it appears what you wrote was not what you meant. 

All you need to read was seems like to see that I wasn't saying I knew what happened, which means may not be the case. Other than than that I have nothing to say to you. Your just looking for people to jump on.

[team first]

1 hour ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

I'm a man of fair debate.  If it's a spade, I call it a spade.  If it's wrong, then its wrong.  In this particular incident in Baton Rouge, the officer is definitely wrong.  Not trying to spin it at all.  

BTW, did you see what the store owner said?  The police confiscated all cell phone video and took the store's surveillance video and now, it's mysteriously missing.  Luckily, the store owner was able to sneakily keep his cell phone video, showing the incident from a different angle.  Again, how convenient was it that the officer's body cam didn't catch anything?  Had the store owner's cell video been confiscated, we would only have what they want us to see...  And conspiracy theories are another topic another day that I won't be discussing...  Lol

Links where they say videos r missing ?

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

3 hours ago, BS Wildcats said:

Tensions will always run high when the perp does not comply.  Let the officer do his job without all the "what are you doing this to me for" and the resisting.  If there is no cause for an arrest, you will be your way.  The moment any resistance arises, tensions escalate and that is when something can happen.  

Sit back, I dont think I need to type up 6 or so paragraphs to tell you whats going on out here, video footage is a killer now, welp maybe not killer, overall this still is "Merica". Brotherhoods exists, no different than the olden days. No sense in arguing over a message board about it, well this one in particular where a majority cant seem to grasp different perspectives, been apart of a couple of em underlined, so I see both sides, then there's that common sense thing that alot of people in this area and across the nation is heavily lacking. All I'll say lastly since im done with this side of the forum as of today political included (and no I wont be answering anything pertaining to this message): keep it up, keep mixing up your God given common sense with taught personal views that may be wrong and this here out in our nation right now will be continuing on down the line. Some of you guys need to place a mirror in front of self and have a real fullout conversation with self, its probably been about time sorta like its been about time for all this silly foolishness to stop in "Merica".

 

Yall have a great day. 

[BMTSoulja1]

19 minutes ago, team first said:

Links where they say videos r missing ?

Links are everywhere.  They took videos for 'evidence'.  

[team first]

3 minutes ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Links are everywhere.  They took videos for 'evidence'.  

Links of the police saying they have missing evidence is everywhere? 

Just provide me one where the PD says the videos they confiscated are now missing 

[team first]

Best thing about the protest in Baton Rouge last night was the arrest of Deray 

[BMTSoulja1]

28 minutes ago, team first said:

Links of the police saying they have missing evidence is everywhere? 

Just provide me one where the PD says the videos they confiscated are now missing 

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[team first]

So the PD has it, but it is not missing ? I don't see where they are saying it is missing, as in they lost it

[BMTSoulja1]

6 minutes ago, team first said:

So the PD has it, but it is not missing ? I don't see where they are saying it is missing, as in they lost it

They took it.  If you're seizing stuff without a warrant, then you're TAKING It.  So imo, more than likely, they won't get that video back...

[BS Wildcats]

3 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Something like 6 fatal shots in the chest....  Siiiigh

Right or wrong, like I said, when resistance starts, bad things will happen.  Guess you didn't get that.  Did not say it was justified....Siiiigh

[BMTSoulja1]

3 minutes ago, BS Wildcats said:

Right or wrong, like I said, when resistance starts, bad things will happen.  Guess you didn't get that.  Did not say it was justified....Siiiigh

Pretty easy to look like your resisting when you've been tasered and 2 guys have you pinned on your back....

[BS Wildcats]

14 minutes ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Pretty easy to look like your resisting when you've been tasered and 2 guys have you pinned on your back....

I have said I didn't think the shooting is justified.  But is there was no resistance in the beginning, it prolly does not end up in a shooting.  As is the case in most of these situations.

[bullets13]

8 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Pretty easy to look like your resisting when you've been tasered and 2 guys have you pinned on your back....

You seem hung up on the tasers for some reason.  You can take them out of the equation.  They didn't work, either because they malfunctioned, they didn't get proper penetration, or he was on a substance such as PCP that made him impervious to their effects.  You can hear them deployed in the video, and it's from point blank range, and he doesn't even flinch.  Had they worked, there would've likely been a different outcome, as he would've fallen down immobilized, which would've possibly given the officers a chance to cuff him without a struggle (especially considering they could've reactivated the tasers if he started struggling)

[tvc184]

10 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

They took it.  If you're seizing stuff without a warrant, then you're TAKING It.  So imo, more than likely, they won't get that video back...

It is evidence in a crime and an investigation. If it was taken as is the claim, it is then in evidence. Whether the store owner can get it back depends on the criminal procedure laws of that state. 

Evidence seized at a crime scene does not require a warrant in many or even most situations. Had the police seized something like a cell phone to preserve the evidence from being destroyed, they would need a warrant to view the contents but not to grab the phone.

Merely seizing things to be searched usually requires no warrant. Just as an example, if the police have probable cause of a felony happening inside of a home and the evidence may be destroyed, they can seize the home by removing the people from inside and keeping people from entering until a warrant can be obtained or refused. That means that with the proper information, the police can keep you out of your own home without a warrant in order to obtain a warrant and keep evidence from being destroyed. 

There is also the issue of "standing" to complain but that may be for another day. 

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Feel free to peruse legal issues on entering even homes (possible our most protected place under the law) without a warrant. Of particular interest may be the sections Is my private property really that private? and Are search warrants required for every search? You might find some interesting tidbits of lawful searches and when a warrant is needed. 

Of course, that is just going by the law........ 

[NDNation]

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[Chester86]

"Momma".....from a 24 year old....always cracks me up.  Oh so accurate.

[BMTSoulja1]

#BREAKING - CONVENIENCE STORE OWNER .... and eyewitness to the shooting death of Alton Sterling, filed a lawsuit today and the allegations are shocking. The lawsuit alleges police stole surveillance video from his shop, confiscated his cell phone, and locked him inside a car for the next four hours.  When Abdullah Muhlafi told them he needed to use the bathroom, they wouldn't let him in his own store - instead, he was escorted to the side of his building and forced to relieve himself right there in full view of the public.

Muhlafi saw police confront and kill Sterling, who was selling CDs with his permission, last Tuesday night. Muhlafi recorded part of the incident in footage that has since gone viral. The video seems to show that Sterling did not have a weapon in his hand when Officer Howie Lake shouted “gun!” and Officer Blane Salamoni fired six shots into his chest.  

Muhlafi is suing the officers, police chief Carl Dabadi as well as the Baton Rouge Police Dept. The dept has no comment.  #NEWtwist

 

Source: Curt Autry NBC12

[NDNation]

44 minutes ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

#BREAKING - CONVENIENCE STORE OWNER .... and eyewitness to the shooting death of Alton Sterling, filed a lawsuit today and the allegations are shocking. The lawsuit alleges police stole surveillance video from his shop, confiscated his cell phone, and locked him inside a car for the next four hours.  When Abdullah Muhlafi told them he needed to use the bathroom, they wouldn't let him in his own store - instead, he was escorted to the side of his building and forced to relieve himself right there in full view of the public.

Muhlafi saw police confront and kill Sterling, who was selling CDs with his permission, last Tuesday night. Muhlafi recorded part of the incident in footage that has since gone viral. The video seems to show that Sterling did not have a weapon in his hand when Officer Howie Lake shouted “gun!” and Officer Blane Salamoni fired six shots into his chest.  

Muhlafi is suing the officers, police chief Carl Dabadi as well as the Baton Rouge Police Dept. The dept has no comment.  #NEWtwist

 

Source: Curt Autry NBC12

You would think maybe they were securing the scene. But who knows. If you see them as guilty, then it can be taken another way. They should have taken the store owner to the police department for a statement. You don't want this guy listening to the media, possibly impacting his perception. I hope the truth comes out and justice is served either way. 

[team first]

3 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

#BREAKING - CONVENIENCE STORE OWNER .... and eyewitness to the shooting death of Alton Sterling, filed a lawsuit today and the allegations are shocking. The lawsuit alleges police stole surveillance video from his shop, confiscated his cell phone, and locked him inside a car for the next four hours.  When Abdullah Muhlafi told them he needed to use the bathroom, they wouldn't let him in his own store - instead, he was escorted to the side of his building and forced to relieve himself right there in full view of the public.

Muhlafi saw police confront and kill Sterling, who was selling CDs with his permission, last Tuesday night. Muhlafi recorded part of the incident in footage that has since gone viral. The video seems to show that Sterling did not have a weapon in his hand when Officer Howie Lake shouted “gun!” and Officer Blane Salamoni fired six shots into his chest.  

Muhlafi is suing the officers, police chief Carl Dabadi as well as the Baton Rouge Police Dept. The dept has no comment.  #NEWtwist

 

Source: Curt Autry NBC12

Police may attain a Material Witness in order to obtain their statement. In fact, a Material Witness may be arrested if they refuse to cooperate with a court order/subpoena . 

Futhermore, persons may be excluded from a crime scene (including a business or their own home) while a warrant is being obtained. 

A warrant was issued around 5am 

All of this is black law.   

 

[team first]

This will not end well for him.