Houston police shoot armed man

[BS Wildcats]

Man shot by police today in Houston.  No buildings will be torched, nor will some fool open fire on police.  The man was white.  As with most all of these cases, he did not comply with the orders given to him by the police.

[tvc184]

Speaking of police shootings, this recent one from Oklahoma hopefully is not controversial but this unarmed man was shot by an officer. The suspect was crazy and like all fights with the police, the unarmed man is usually on inches away from an officer's gun. This is a wild one. 

 

 

 

[tvc184]

I will say this about the Oklahoma shooting, the officer taking the shots was mentally prepared for that incident. He had to go in and save his partner, take the guy out and it was he that got the other officer out of harms way, recovered her gun and then kept the suspect at gun point although he was already gone. I have witness police shootings up close and seen many others in videos shown internally. It is one thing to be able to shoot and an entirely different thing to be thinking when it is all going down and afterwards with the adrenaline dump. 

Great job by that officer. 

[new tobie]

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[BLUEDOVE3]

I get the feeling you guys think certain segments within our society think all cops are bad?  

[stevenash]

1 minute ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

I get the feeling you guys think certain segments within our society think all cops are bad?  

Yes, certain segments push that narrative just like the pushed "hands up , don't shoot".  Since neither are true, they have little value to anyone

[BS Wildcats]

1 hour ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

I get the feeling you guys think certain segments within our society think all cops are bad?  

BLM is one such segment

[new tobie]

4 minutes ago, BS Wildcats said:

BLM is one such segment

We put up with the KKK for 100 years, so give the BLM a couple of years to go away

[BS Wildcats]

2 minutes ago, new tobie said:

We put up with the KKK for 100 years, so give the BLM a couple of years to go away

How old are you

[77]

we only had to put up with them because they were democrat had it been the other way around they would not have lasted!

[new tobie]

3 minutes ago, 77 said:

we only had to put up with them because they were democrat had it been the other way around they would not have lasted!

They hadn't been democrat for a long time

[tvc184]

2 hours ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

I get the feeling you guys think certain segments within our society think all cops are bad?  

Some individuals do but certainly not groups.

I get the feeling that some segments of our society go by the phrase "not all cops are bad" like maybe there are a few good ones out there. 

[JWB]

2 hours ago, new tobie said:

We put up with the KKK for 100 years, so give the BLM a couple of years to go away

this guy here....

[new tobie]

14 hours ago, JWB said:

this guy here....

You guys wouldn't  evem br complaining if the kkk was protesting something hiding under their sheets

[stevenash]

20 minutes ago, new tobie said:

You guys wouldn't  evem br complaining if the kkk was protesting something hiding under their sheets

I am less inclined to complain about protests when destruction and looting aren't taking place.

[thetragichippy]

11 minutes ago, new tobie said:

You guys wouldn't  evem br complaining if the kkk was protesting something hiding under their sheets

You know, statements like this crack me up. I am a 50 year old white guy raised in Port Arthur, in a middle classed neighborhood. I have relatives in South La and all over the Southern states. I have never been to one KKK meeting, never asked to participate in one and have no relatives involved in this group. The KKK currently has around 3000-6000 members in the U.S. depending who you believe. They are insignificant and have no influence on anyone I know. 

BUT, for some reason, a few people continue to bring this up.........

[JWB]

10 hours ago, new tobie said:

You guys wouldn't  evem br complaining if the kkk was protesting something hiding under their sheets

Why do you keep bringing up the kkk? there hasn't been a single event in recent history that I can recall that the group has had any involvement in? I haven't seen anything on the news or read anything in the papers????? what you really mean to say is white people in general !!! that's what your're implying.....I've seen a lot of the BLM and black panthers recently....... But they aren't hate mongering racists are they??? But I got a really good feeling you are!

[BS Wildcats]

Let me answer the question about BLM being hate mongering racist.  Hell yeah they are

[tvc184]

1 hour ago, JWB said:

Why do you keep bringing up the kkk? there hasn't been a single event in recent history that I can recall that the group has had any involvement in? I haven't seen anything on the news or read anything in the papers????? what you really mean to say is white people in general !!! that's what your're implying.....I've seen a lot of the BLM and black panthers recently....... But they aren't hate mongering racists are they??? But I got a really good feeling you are!

They showed up in Port Arthur about 20 years ago for a rally. There were about 5 members of the media and one other person attending. They planned on about a 90 minute rally and after a few minutes packed up their equipment and left as there was no audience. Like none unless you count a single person. 

[TxHoops]

I heard this statment on the radio this week (from a fairly liberal source - and when I say fairly liberal, you guys would call them lefty socialists):

To qualify, I understood these to be based on percentages (pursuant to the relative make up or the populace) - while a black person is more likely to be stopped by police, a white person is more likely to be shot by the police.  I didn't catch the source of study so I have no idea if it is true (although I am fairly certain this is based on some study.  I would think tvc can verify or negate this statement though. 

[tvc184]

26 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

I heard this statment on the radio this week (from a fairly liberal source - and when I say fairly liberal, you guys would call them lefty socialists):

To qualify, I understood these to be based on percentages (pursuant to the relative make up or the populace) - while a black person is more likely to be stopped by police, a white person is more likely to be shot by the police.  I didn't catch the source of study so I have no idea if it is true (although I am fairly certain this is based on some study.  I would think tvc can verify or negate this statement though. 

It all goes by percentages and how you look at them as you say. 

About 13% of the population is black. The FBI considers Hispanic as an ethnicity and not a race so most of what we call Hispanics are white although obviously a person can be a black Hispanic. The FBI generally (or always) lists race as Black, White, Asian, Other or Unknown. 

It varies from year to year but from what I can gather from the FBI annual UCR statistics, blacks commit roughly half of the murders in the USA. Other violent crimes have similar stats with some being even higher. Examples are like in 2013, 56% of arrests for robberies where black. 

That deals directly with police contacts with people. The more contacts you have, especially for violent crimes, the more likely you have a chance for violence between an officer and citizen. Obviously the most contentious contact is an arrest where you are taking a person's liberty completely away with handcuffs and restrained usually in the back of a vehicle. For that reason, arrests are the most likely situation for violence from either the police are the person being arrested. 

While whites are shot and killed by the police more, are the deaths equal to their population? The answer is no. I think that recently blacks have been about 30-35% of the people killed by the police which is 200-300% higher than their population. 

So are they over represented?

Again, how do you look at it in total? If blacks are committing 50% of murders and 56% of robberies (both some of the most violent crimes), does that mean the officers come into contact with blacks under violent circumstances more so than other races by population? It appears to me to be the case. 

I added up the officers killed in the of duty from 2008-2013. If my math was correct, 40% of all officers killed where killed by blacks. Almost no women killed officers so really about 7% of the population (black/males) killed almost half all officers killed. Again, violent confrontations between officers and blacks tend to happen at a much higher rate than their population represents both in number of deaths from both officers and the accused. 

So how do we look at "more likely"? It is by population or simply total numbers?

I believe that more whites (including Hispanics) are killed by the police than are blacks. Are whites more likely to be killed than blacks by percentage of the population? No. Blacks are likely killed at about 200-300% higher than their population. 

Is that due to what appears to be stats that show that they are more likely to be involved in violent crime and arrests for those crimes? That is open to debate but I believe that some people want to look at the number killed by law enforcement and then ignore the police contacts for violent crimes. Then the want to ignore the number of officers killed. I tend to think they go hand in hand. 

I normally get my figures from going to what I consider the source, FBI stats. They are never complete however they likely represent the most reliable percentages. The stuff above is simply stats. People can make of them what they wish but I can see where the statement made on the radio could be correct according to interpretation or opinion. 

That always comes around to my chicken or the egg debate. Which comes first?