Definition of your Program

[texaslonghorn14]

With the UIL allowing three and four teams to go to the playoffs, I was wondering what was considered a great program now.  So I came up with this criteria for a ten year window, tell me what you think.

1. Exceptional- multiple state championship appearances and at least one title in ten years

2.Great- Semis or better three times 

3. Good- Second round or better in five of ten years

4. Average- Playoffs in five of ten years

5. Decent- Playoffs in three or less years

6. Below- Two or below playoff appearances in ten years

 

This is not perfect but i am just curious of what will be said

 

 

[Red Dawn]

29 minutes ago, texaslonghorn14 said:

With the UIL allowing three and four teams to go to the playoffs, I was wondering what was considered a great program now.  So I came up with this criteria for a ten year window, tell me what you think.

1. Exceptional- multiple state championship appearances and at least one title in ten years

2.Great- Semis or better three times 

3. Good- Second round or better in five of ten years

4. Average- Playoffs in five of ten years

5. Decent- Playoffs in three or less years

6. Below- Two or below playoff appearances in ten years

 

This is not perfect but i am just curious of what will be said

 

 

I'd probably adjust your criteria a bit but you are right on. Making the playoffs shouldn't be the benchmark any more. The avg district size is around 6-7 teams. So you finished 4th of 6 and that's success?  Great post. +1

[OldBallCoach90]

It would be nice if it went back to the top two teams. I hated seeing a 0-10 Scarborough team in the playoffs.  

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Even 3 teams in playoffs from every district would be good, give the district champ a bye week. 

[OldBallCoach90]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

Even 3 teams in playoffs from every district would be good, give the district champ a bye week. 

I can see that being good... I would prefer teams in the playoff with a .500 win percentage or better. And I like giving the DC a first round bye.

[Alpha Wolf]

Well as for Central since 2006

2006:  Beat Barbers Hill 31-28 in Bi-District; Lost to LaMarque 30-7 in Area; 8-4 overall, 6-1 in District

2007:  No playoffs, 4-6 overall, 2-5 in District

2008:  Beat North Forest 21-0 in Bi-District; Beat Lockhart 24-21 in Area; Beat Angleton 35-34 in Regionals; Lost to Friendswood 20-19 in Quarters; 9-4 overall, 5-2 in District 

2009:  Beat Goose Creek Memorial 7-0 in Bi-District; Beat Huntsville 28-24 in Area; Lost to Friendswood 44-22 in Regionals; 9-4 overall, 5-2 in District 

2010:  Beat Galena Park 44-16 in Bi-District; Lost to Humble 27-21 in Area; 8-4 overall, 6-1 in District 

2011:  No playoffs; 2-8 overall, 1-6 in District 

2012:  No playoffs; 3-7 overall, 3-4 in District 

2013:  Lost to Summer Creek 24-9 in Bi-District; 6-5 overall, 5-2 in District 

2014:  Lost to CE King 55-23 in Bi-District; 7-4 overall, 6-1 in District 

2015:  Lost to CE King 32-31 in Bi-District; 5-6 overall, 5-2 in District 

 

Using your criteria, I would have to say GOOD in the 1st half of the 10 year span but DECENT since...

[STiger85]

10 minutes ago, Jag Insider said:

Well as for Central since 2006

2006:  Beat Barbers Hill 31-28 in Bi-District; Lost to LaMarque 30-7 in Area; 8-4 overall, 6-1 in District

2007:  No playoffs, 4-6 overall, 2-5 in District

2008:  Beat North Forest 21-0 in Bi-District; Beat Lockhart 24-21 in Area; Beat Angleton 35-34 in Regionals; Lost to Friendswood 20-19 in Quarters; 9-4 overall, 5-2 in District 

2009:  Beat Goose Creek Memorial 7-0 in Bi-District; Beat Huntsville 28-24 in Area; Lost to Friendswood 44-22 in Regionals; 9-4 overall, 5-2 in District 

2010:  Beat Galena Park 44-16 in Bi-District; Lost to Humble 27-21 in Area; 8-4 overall, 6-1 in District 

2011:  No playoffs; 2-8 overall, 1-6 in District 

2012:  No playoffs; 3-7 overall, 3-4 in District 

2013:  Lost to Summer Creek 24-9 in Bi-District; 6-5 overall, 5-2 in District 

2014:  Lost to CE King 55-23 in Bi-District; 7-4 overall, 6-1 in District 

2015:  Lost to CE King 32-31 in Bi-District; 5-6 overall, 5-2 in District 

 

Using your criteria, I would have to say GOOD in the 1st half of the 10 year span but DECENT since...

Using his criteria, Central is just average.

[Red Dawn]

20 minutes ago, SB63 said:

It would be nice if it went back to the top two teams. I hated seeing a 0-10 Scarborough team in the playoffs.  

I don't mind 4 in. Especially when some districts have 5 teams and others have 9 (like 21-5A). I've seen many 4th place teams better than other district champs or runners up. It all gets weeded out after week 1 of playoffs anyway. I just don't think making the playoffs can be used alone as a criteria for a successful season. 

[Cougar14.2]

Well, using this criteria I guess we're good?

2006: 1st round baptism by Dayton

2007: 1st round re-born baptism by Dayton

2008: 1st round beat Lumberton, 2nd round 31-24 loss Brenham

2009: 1st round beat Nederland, 2nd round beat Montgomery, 3rd round 27-20 loss Dawson

2010: 1st round beat Nederland, 2nd round loss Montgomery

2011: 1st round loss to a team that shall remain nameless

2012: 1st round beat Ozen, 2nd round loss Manor

2013: 1st round beat PNG, 2nd round loss Elgin

2014: 1st round beat Ozen, 2nd round beat PLC, 3rd round beat Brenham, 4th round beat Hutto, 5th round loss Cedar Park

2015: 1st round beat Lumberton, 2nd round loss FB Ridge Point

7 of 10 years past the first round. Something else I noticed while doing this exercise is that only one true SETX team has beaten Crosby in the playoffs the last decade.

[pdawg119]

Barbers Hill since 2006: 

2006: Lost to Central 31-28 in Bi-District, 10-1 overall, 7-0 in District

2007: No playoffs, 6-4 overall, 4-3 in District

2008: No playoffs, 3-6 overall, 3-4 in District

2009: Lost to Port Neches-Groves 21-7 in Bi-District, 5-6 overall, 4-3 in District

2010: Lost to PN-G 21-13 in Bi-District, 7-4 overall, 6-1 in District

2011: Lost to Ozen 40-36 in Bi-District, 9-2 overall, 6-1 in District

2012: Beat Livingston 31-0 in Bi-District, lost to Elgin 45-21 in Area, 8-4 overall, 5-3 in District

2013: No playoffs, 6-4 overall, 4-4 in District

2014: No playoffs, 6-4 overall, 4-4 in District

2015: No playoffs, 4-6 overall, 3-5 in District

So according to texaslonghorn14's criteria, BH is about average.

[Alpha Wolf]

STiger85, if Barbers Hill is AVERAGE, Central can't be AVERAGE...

[STiger85]

43 minutes ago, Jag Insider said:

STiger85, if Barbers Hill is AVERAGE, Central can't be AVERAGE...

Per criteria 

[Bigdog]

I guess by this criteria Nederland would be in the good category:

2006-  Beat Galena Park lost to Kilgore 2nd round.

2007- No playoffs (First time in 11 years, including 10 straight 2nd rd or better before 2007)

2008 - Beat CE King, lost to Magnolia 2nd round

2009- Lost to Crosby 1st rd

2010- Lost to Crosby 1st rd

2011- Beat GCM ,Beat Stratford, Lost to Pearland Dawson in 3rd rd

2012 - Beat Dayton, Beat Connally, Beat Dawson, lost to Georgetown in the 4th rd

2013 - Beat KP, Lost to Georgetown 2nd rd

2014 - Lost to KP in 1st rd

2015 - Beat New Caney, Lost to George Ranch 2nd rd.

6 of 10 years past the second round.  2 3rd or better appearances.

 

[MossHill]

Hardin - 7

[WOSgrad]

West Orange-Stark Mustangs

2006 - Lost to Giddings in 2nd Round

2007 - Lost to Waco La Vega in 3rd Round

2008 - Lost to Gilmer in 3rd Round

2009 - Lost to Coldspring-Oakhurst in Bi-District

2010 - Lost to Brookshire in 2nd Round

2011 - Lost to Coldspring-Oakhurst in 4th Round

2012 - Lost to Navasota in 4th Round

2013 - Lost to Carthage in 4th Round

2014 - Lost to Gilmer in State Championship Game

2015 - State Champion

[AggiesAreWe]

Silsbee

'06 Lost to West Columbia 44-41 2nd rd.

'07 Missed playoffs

'08 Lost to Navasota 48-33 2nd rd.

'09 Lost to Navasota 35-34 2nd rd.

'10 Lost to Huffman 48-44 1st rd.

'11 Lost to Huffman 19-14 1st rd.

'12 Lost to Carthage 50-21 3rd rd.

'13 Lost to Carthage 49-6 3rd rd.

'14 Lost to Henderson 48-22 1st rd.

'15 Lost to Carthage 56-40 4th rd.

 

We good

[MossHill]

Hardin Hornets

2006 - Missed Playoffs (Hardin AD; Mike Morgan - now assistant @ Carthage) 

2007 - Lost to Crawford in 2nd round 35-15 (Hardin AD; Larry Haynes)

2008 - Lost to New Waverly in 2nd round 37-8 (Hardin AD: Larry Haynes)

2009 - Missed playoffs ***4th Qtr. collapse vs. Buna (Hardin AD: Larry Haynes) 6 - 4 Record

2010 - Missed playoffs but went 5 - 5 (Hardin AD; Larry Haynes)

2011 - Missed playoffs (Hardin AD; Larry Haynes) 3 - 7 Record

2012 - Missed playoffs - (Hardin AD; Walter Fortune) 1 - 9 Record

2013 - Missed playoffs - (Hardin AD; Walter Fortune) 3 - 7 Record

2014 - Missed playoffs - (Hardin AD; Walter Fortune) 3 - 7 Record

2015 - Missed playoffs - (Hardin AD; Tod Stark) 3 - 7 Record

2016 -

2017 -

2018 -

2019 -

2020 - State Champion *** Predicted by yours truly in 2010

[Yoe_09]

Cameron Yoemen

2006 - Lost to La Vega in Bi-District

2007 - Lost to La Vega in Bi-District

2008 - No Playoffs

2009 - No Playoffs

2010 - STATE FINALIST

2011 - Area Finalist

2012- STATE CHAMPIONS

2013 - STATE CHAMPIONS

2014 - STATE CHAMPIONS

2015 - STATE FINALIST

 

Top 10 in all-time wins in the state and steadily climbing.  2015 hurt no doubt. The Yoemen will look to get back on top in 2016.  

 

 

 

[CAL2TEX]

 Port Neches-Groves

2006 – (No playoffs) 5-5

2007 - Lost to Lamar Consolidated in Regional

2008 – (No playoffs) 3-6

2009 – Lost to Brenham in Area finals

2010 - Lost to Manvel in Area Regional

2011 - Lost to Dayton in Bi-District

2012 - (No playoffs) 2-8

2013 - Lost to Crosby in Bi-District

2014 - Lost to Dayton in Bi-District

 2015 - Lost to Angleton in Area finals

 

 

 

By the criteria specified = AVERAGE

  

 

 

[Hagar]

On July 28, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Cougar14.2 said:

Well, using this criteria I guess we're good?

2006: 1st round baptism by Dayton

2007: 1st round re-born baptism by Dayton

2008: 1st round beat Lumberton, 2nd round 31-24 loss Brenham

2009: 1st round beat Nederland, 2nd round beat Montgomery, 3rd round 27-20 loss Dawson

2010: 1st round beat Nederland, 2nd round loss Montgomery

2011: 1st round loss to a team that shall remain nameless

2012: 1st round beat Ozen, 2nd round loss Manor

2013: 1st round beat PNG, 2nd round loss Elgin

2014: 1st round beat Ozen, 2nd round beat PLC, 3rd round beat Brenham, 4th round beat Hutto, 5th round loss Cedar Park

2015: 1st round beat Lumberton, 2nd round loss FB Ridge Point

7 of 10 years past the first round. Something else I noticed while doing this exercise is that only one true SETX team has beaten Crosby in the playoffs the last decade.

Lmbo, Great post Cougar 14.2!   And I won't tell.

Seriously though, that's at least (very) Good.

[liltex]

Dayton Broncos

2006 1st rd beat Crosby,2nd rd loss Tx City

2007 1st rd beat Crosby,2nd rd beat Tx City,3rd rd beat Livingston,4th rd beat Waller,5th rd loss to Lake Travis

2008 1st rd beat Livingston,2nd rd beat Elgin,3rd rd beat Rosenburg Terry,4th rd beat Brenham,5th rd beat Kerrville Tivy(Manziels soph yr)6th rd state final loss to Sulphur Springs(gm set a Tx scoring record )

2009 1st rd beat Vidor,2nd rd beat Waller,3rd rd beat El Campo,4th rd loss to Brenham

2010 1st rd beat Livingston,2nd rd beat Kingwood Park,3rd rd loss to La Marque(Jerry Stewarts last yr as H/C=A/D

2011 1st rd beat Png,2nd rd beat Magnolia West,3rd rd loss to Manvel H/C Hancock 1st yr(Stews crew)

2012 1st rd loss Nederland

2013 1st rd beat LCM,2nd rd loss to Brenham by 1 point

2014 1st rd beat Png,2nd rd loss to Angleton by 1 point

2015 1st rd loss Png by 1 point

*Good+ 1st 5, last 5=change@the top

[D3zii]

On July 28, 2016 at 10:57 AM, STiger85 said:

Using his criteria, Central is just average.

Stop before 2011 Central was one of the top programs in the area and was known throughout the State.

[liltex]

6 hours ago, liltex said:

Dayton Broncos

2006 1st rd beat Crosby,2nd rd loss Tx City

2007 1st rd beat Crosby,2nd rd beat Tx City,3rd rd beat Livingston,4th rd beat Waller,5th rd loss to Lake Travis

2008 1st rd beat Livingston,2nd rd beat Elgin,3rd rd beat Rosenburg Terry,4th rd beat Brenham,5th rd beat Kerrville Tivy(Manziels soph yr)6th rd state final loss to Sulphur Springs(gm set a Tx scoring record )

2009 1st rd beat Vidor,2nd rd beat Waller,3rd rd beat El Campo,4th rd loss to Brenham

2010 1st rd beat Livingston,2nd rd beat Kingwood Park,3rd rd loss to La Marque(Jerry Stewarts last yr as H/C=A/D

2011 1st rd beat Png,2nd rd beat Magnolia West,3rd rd loss to Manvel H/C Hancock 1st yr(Stews crew)

2012 1st rd loss Nederland

2013 1st rd beat LCM,2nd rd loss to Brenham by 1 point

2014 1st rd beat Png,2nd rd loss to Angleton by 1 point

2015 1st rd loss Png by 1 point

*Good+ 1st 5, last 5=change@the top

Ouch Stewart won 15 playoff games his last 5 H/C yrs