Big girl Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 On 10/6/2016 at 0:56 PM, stevenash said: I don't know how to do this but I am sure somebody does. Somebody please go to the Obamacare exchange for Texas and plug in a family of four with a $500 deductible and see what the quote is. Poor Steve Nash. That is not how it works. Why are you commenting on something you know nothing about? Is this better? This doesn't change the fact that you don't know what you are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big girl Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 On 10/16/2016 at 10:38 PM, bullets13 said: I know my premiums and deductibles have both skyrocketed since obamacare was enacted. I used to have pretty good insurance through BISD. Due to increasing costs I had to opt for a lesser plan. Unfortunately for me I got sick with appendicitis this summer. After insurance paid its part it the surgery ended up costing me $5600 out of pocket. The hospital costs are a joke as well. Glad I only had one appendix! If your premium per month is more than 10% of your household income, you can shop on the exchange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big girl Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 15 hours ago, new tobie said: oh thats right there never was a problem as long as the insurance companies charge more for the elderly and sick and deny coverage for pre-existing conditions. And still issue rate hikes. Kinda like state farm dropping peoples coverage after the hurricane and raising rates. You are correct. My husband and I both have pre-existing conditions. Thank God for the Affordable Healthcare Act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigS Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 16 hours ago, new tobie said: oh thats right there never was a problem as long as the insurance companies charge more for the elderly and sick and deny coverage for pre-existing conditions. And still issue rate hikes. Kinda like state farm dropping peoples coverage after the hurricane and raising rates. So...can I carry liability insurance only on my vehicle....go get in a wreck that is MY fault....THEN go get full coverage to pay for the damage? Does that make sense to you? That is what "pre-existing" conditions is like when getting health insurance........let's even go into the "KISS" method of the math. So I have cancer......I go to an insurance company for coverage........let's say premiums are $1500 a month with $10,000 deduct (that's pretty high by all accounts) I get treatment for one full year....that's $18,000 in premiums + $10,000 in deductible = $28,000.........the cancer treatment cost ....heck I don't know $50,000 (probably way more)... That's a $22,000 loss in one year by one policy......there is no way the free market can sustain this type of business plan........SO...what has to happen..A) the insurance companies jack up MY cost to make up the losses ..B) The Gov. (again with MY money, be it taxes or fines) gets involved and pays the subsidies. Now, this can go on for several years (multiply annual losses by however many years here) OR the patient could still die after just one year.....either way.....major financial loss to the companies, causing them to pass that loss on to others....ME. And some of you are OK with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenash Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 1 hour ago, CraigS said: So...can I carry liability insurance only on my vehicle....go get in a wreck that is MY fault....THEN go get full coverage to pay for the damage? Does that make sense to you? That is what "pre-existing" conditions is like when getting health insurance........let's even go into the "KISS" method of the math. So I have cancer......I go to an insurance company for coverage........let's say premiums are $1500 a month with $10,000 deduct (that's pretty high by all accounts) I get treatment for one full year....that's $18,000 in premiums + $10,000 in deductible = $28,000.........the cancer treatment cost ....heck I don't know $50,000 (probably way more)... That's a $22,000 loss in one year by one policy......there is no way the free market can sustain this type of business plan........SO...what has to happen..A) the insurance companies jack up MY cost to make up the losses ..B) The Gov. (again with MY money, be it taxes or fines) gets involved and pays the subsidies. Now, this can go on for several years (multiply annual losses by however many years here) OR the patient could still die after just one year.....either way.....major financial loss to the companies, causing them to pass that loss on to others....ME. And some of you are OK with this? Big Girl comprehends nothing of what you just stated. Bottom line, its simply another government imposed redistribution of assets and costs from the haves to the have nots. College tuition is next. Greece and Venezuela both made large bets on this type of government and the results are in. They are undeniable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LumRaiderFan Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 1 hour ago, CraigS said: So...can I carry liability insurance only on my vehicle....go get in a wreck that is MY fault....THEN go get full coverage to pay for the damage? Does that make sense to you? That is what "pre-existing" conditions is like when getting health insurance........let's even go into the "KISS" method of the math. So I have cancer......I go to an insurance company for coverage........let's say premiums are $1500 a month with $10,000 deduct (that's pretty high by all accounts) I get treatment for one full year....that's $18,000 in premiums + $10,000 in deductible = $28,000.........the cancer treatment cost ....heck I don't know $50,000 (probably way more)... That's a $22,000 loss in one year by one policy......there is no way the free market can sustain this type of business plan........SO...what has to happen..A) the insurance companies jack up MY cost to make up the losses ..B) The Gov. (again with MY money, be it taxes or fines) gets involved and pays the subsidies. Now, this can go on for several years (multiply annual losses by however many years here) OR the patient could still die after just one year.....either way.....major financial loss to the companies, causing them to pass that loss on to others....ME. And some of you are OK with this? Only the ones that don't have to pay for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddog Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 1 hour ago, stevenash said: Big Girl comprehends nothing of what you just stated. Bottom line, its simply another government imposed redistribution of assets and costs from the haves to the have nots. College tuition is next. Greece and Venezuela both made large bets on this type of government and the results are in. They are undeniable. I heard Venezuelans have food back on the shelves but it's so expensive no one can afford it anyway. Sounds like a winner and where we are headed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddog Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Big Girl. Read this! This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Hagar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenash Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 She is not going to read that because it was not written by the Huffington Post or ThinkProgress.org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LumRaiderFan Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 13 minutes ago, stevenash said: She is not going to read that because it was not written by the Huffington Post or ThinkProgress.org. Both, by the way, endorse hillary....I'm assuming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddog Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 18 minutes ago, stevenash said: She is not going to read that because it was not written by the Huffington Post or ThinkProgress.org. But but, it's from CNN....Clinton News Network Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenash Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 54 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said: Both, by the way, endorse hillary....I'm assuming. Good assumption- the candidate is irrelevant- the party is all that matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatMack19 Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Wait, I thought the only reason it was legal is that it is a tax and not a penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new tobie Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 17 hours ago, stevenash said: She is not going to read that because it was not written by the Huffington Post or ThinkProgress.org. What is storefront's take on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LumRaiderFan Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 10 hours ago, PhatMack19 said: Wait, I thought the only reason it was legal is that it is a tax and not a penalty? Yeah, that makes sense. Let's listen to the creator of the disaster for advice on how to fix the disaster. liberals...smh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 With my limited education, I can assure you, there's absolutely, positively, NO way you can fix Obamacare. Anyone that says they can is either a liar, or goofy as a road lizard. I don't care how many degrees one has, or what institution. It's a Money Pit, and it can't be fixed. It's as simple as that. Someone please ask Gruber if he'd stake his life on his plan to fix it. I'd stake mine on what I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatMack19 Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 These people can actually vote which is scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDOVE3 Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 On 10/26/2016 at 9:40 AM, CraigS said: So...can I carry liability insurance only on my vehicle....go get in a wreck that is MY fault....THEN go get full coverage to pay for the damage? Does that make sense to you? That is what "pre-existing" conditions is like when getting health insurance........let's even go into the "KISS" method of the math. So I have cancer......I go to an insurance company for coverage........let's say premiums are $1500 a month with $10,000 deduct (that's pretty high by all accounts) I get treatment for one full year....that's $18,000 in premiums + $10,000 in deductible = $28,000.........the cancer treatment cost ....heck I don't know $50,000 (probably way more)... That's a $22,000 loss in one year by one policy......there is no way the free market can sustain this type of business plan........SO...what has to happen..A) the insurance companies jack up MY cost to make up the losses ..B) The Gov. (again with MY money, be it taxes or fines) gets involved and pays the subsidies. Now, this can go on for several years (multiply annual losses by however many years here) OR the patient could still die after just one year.....either way.....major financial loss to the companies, causing them to pass that loss on to others....ME. And some of you are OK with this? Craigs, lets say you find out you have cancer with a pre-existing condition. Whose going to treat your condition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenash Posted October 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Dove, There would have been several less costly methods than the one that is currently employed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 This just shows how dumb some of these Obama lovers are ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDOVE3 Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 36 minutes ago, stevenash said: Dove, There would have been several less costly methods than the one that is currently employed You sound like Trump. Give us several!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigS Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 1 hour ago, BLUEDOVE3 said: Craigs, lets say you find out you have cancer with a pre-existing condition. Whose going to treat your condition? Well, when it happened to my father in 1986........WE did. My mother went to work (stay at home Mom for 20 years) and I quit college and went to work off shore.......then went back to college and got my degree.......it's call taking care of your OWN responsibility. Geez, why is that so damn hard for people to understand. edit: OH...AND... I paid for my OWN education after that.... ah hell, I'll just keep going - I went to school during the day and worked, while my wife took care of our new born daughter....came home then the wife went to work at night, while I studied and took care of our daughter..........it really can be done....really! can't help myself - my Dad died 6 month later with over $100,000 in medical bills. SO, I don't have a lot of sympathy for the whiners and lazy asses. Edit again: AND - the kicker as if that isn't enough.......I was 19 (oldest of 8 children) the youngest was 3 years old when he died...... PhatMack19 and LumRaiderFan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenash Posted October 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 1 hour ago, CraigS said: Well, when it happened to my father in 1986........WE did. My mother went to work (stay at home Mom for 20 years) and I quit college and went to work off shore.......then went back to college and got my degree.......it's call taking care of your OWN responsibility. Geez, why is that so damn hard for people to understand. edit: OH...AND... I paid for my OWN education after that.... ah hell, I'll just keep going - I went to school during the day and worked, while my wife took care of our new born daughter....came home then the wife went to work at night, while I studied and took care of our daughter..........it really can be done....really! can't help myself - my Dad died 6 month later with over $100,000 in medical bills. SO, I don't have a lot of sympathy for the whiners and lazy asses. Edit again: AND - the kicker as if that isn't enough.......I was 19 (oldest of 8 children) the youngest was 3 years old when he died...... Go ahead, Dove. Tell him how all of his tough times were the fault of Republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatMack19 Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 hours ago, stevenash said: Go ahead, Dove. Tell him how all of his tough times were the fault of Republicans. You just aren't smart enough to know where to look Nash. Big Girl covers her whole family for $350 a month with a $12 deductible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenash Posted October 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 35 minutes ago, PhatMack19 said: You just aren't smart enough to know where to look Nash. Big Girl covers her whole family for $350 a month with a $12 deductible. I wonder if she thinks anyone believes that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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