Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 My thoughts is big schools going on yearly runs to State 6A and/or 5A. What are yall thoughts on this? Quote
navydawg31 Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 Combine the three Beaumont schools into one. Or atleast just have two. Combine PNG and Nederland into one. Combine WOS/LCM/OF into one. Other then that. Every now and then we might have a team make a deep run but we as a area are behind times with Dallas FW area. In stadiums/indoor practice/ more coaches on your staff then years past/ practice equipment/ and most all $$$$ Mr. Buddy Garrity, Scatright, Alpha Wolf and 1 other 4 Quote
Tyler Dixson Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 1 hour ago, navydawg31 said: Combine the three Beaumont schools into one. Or atleast just have two. Combine PNG and Nederland into one. Combine WOS/LCM/OF into one. Other then that. Every now and then we might have a team make a deep run but we as a area are behind times with Dallas FW area. In stadiums/indoor practice/ more coaches on your staff then years past/ practice equipment/ and most all $$$$ If you combine WOS, OF, and LCM you pretty much get just WOS with about 5 or so players from OF and LCM. Combine that with the fact they would be a 6A doesn't bode well for that team. Now if you combine the BMT schools I think you have a team capable of making deep runs. Also as some people stress on here facilities go a long way in those upper classifications and it's something that just isn't as valued around here as metropolitan areas. The better facilities I think over time can make a mediocre athlete a good athlete and a good athlete a great athlete. Whether or not that makes them a better football player depends on the coaching which can be bought with the right amount of money. Which again I'm not sure this area is willing to pay for. Mr. Buddy Garrity and Cougar14.2 2 Quote
liltex Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 Get out and watch jr high football,look for standout kids that are bigger/faster than others.Get a name,plant a (job/jobs)seed & watch the crop produce trophies=OP started that trick/Metroplex honed it into science PAMFAM10 and Mr. Buddy Garrity 2 Quote
BADSANTA Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 Get more teams to state and win. Need schools like Silsbee, PNG, Nederland, and one of the Beaumont schools to step up and get to state. The last few in our area Newton, WOS, and PAM have done a great job. Mr. Buddy Garrity, Alpha Wolf and WOSgrad 3 Quote
WOSgrad Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 I don't think that merging schools to create a larger number of 6As or 5A's is the answer. The last 6A title out of this area occurred 32 years ago (French). Only 1 team in the area has even gotten out of the region since then (Memorial in 2011(?)). 5A is pretty much the same story, the last 5A title was claimed 29 years ago and the last appearances in the final game have also been few and far between since (WO-S, 1988, 2000, PNG, 1999, Dayton 2008). And to further that point, East Texas has gained notoriety for the success in lower classifications......4A-2A. While an occasional John Tyler, Texas High. Marshall or Lufkin might make noise in 6A/5A ranks, East Texas is known for its Gilmers, its Carthages, its Waskoms, Arps and Altos. No, it is commitment by a community to allow kids to develop. Sure better facilities may help, but in itself it is not the answer, either. What I mean by community commitment is a community that buys into a coach just as much as the players and allows the coach to be boss. Not asking for his job after a certain loss, not starting stupid online petitions, not whining about the workouts a coach might not necessarily fit lil' Johnny's favorite sport, not refusing to do something because the newest guru said do it another way. If you really want to see if the community is in tune with that commitment, don't look at the football forum now. In a time where the boys are about to hit the field, everyone backs their school's teams. No, look at the football forum and other forums while jump shots are falling and fastballs are being thrown. During those times, are you seeing threads and posts complaining about the football coach doing lifting on a certain day or a workout that was "too extreme?" Do you see posts that call for a coach's head because he "yells" at kids? Do you have coaches leaving the football program on what seems to be a semi annual basis? If you see this out of your school, then chances are you do not have a community that has bought in and the chances that your school will be participating in football beyond the first week of November are remote. Now, I understand that some will claim the desire for a more "balanced" athletic program and I get that. I am not advocating the sacrifice of any other UIL sport in order to succeed at football. However, the reality is that those schools who do perennially advance deep in the playoffs in football do not have their program lie dormant while other sports are being played and that for this area to achieve the "respect," that reality must be accepted. Bigdog, Alpha Wolf, lostaussie and 4 others 7 Quote
navydawg31 Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 2 hours ago, BADSANTA said: Get more teams to state and win. Need schools like Silsbee, PNG, Nederland, and one of the Beaumont schools to step up and get to state. The last few in our area Newton, WOS, and PAM have done a great job. PAM?? Lol Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Posted August 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, navydawg31 said: PAM?? Lol Name the last former 6A school here to at least get out its region. Then name the last 5A school to get out theirs. Quote
navydawg31 Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said: Name the last former 6A school here to at least get out its region. Then name the last 5A school to get out theirs. PAM 2012? Nederland 2001 Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Posted August 17, 2016 1 minute ago, navydawg31 said: PAM 2012? Nederland 2001 Incorrect. Try again. Quote
navydawg31 Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said: Incorrect. Try again. Who are they then Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Posted August 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, navydawg31 said: Who are they then Memorial 2011, Crosby 2014. Before then it was Dayton 2007 and 2008. As far as coverage area you can throw in NS last year. Quote
navydawg31 Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said: Memorial 2011, Crosby 2014. Before then it was Dayton 2007 and 2008. Didn't realize you were including them. So who was the last in 22-5a Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Posted August 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, navydawg31 said: Didn't realize you were including them. So who was the last in 22-5a The newbie that dropped. Before then it was Dayton, remember they were in that district before. Quote
BADSANTA Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 1 hour ago, WOSgrad said: I don't think that merging schools to create a larger number of 6As or 5A's is the answer. The last 6A title out of this area occurred 32 years ago (French). Only 1 team in the area has even gotten out of the region since then (Memorial in 2011(?)). 5A is pretty much the same story, the last 5A title was claimed 29 years ago and the last appearances in the final game have also been few and far between since (WO-S, 1988, 2000, PNG, 1999, Dayton 2008). And to further, that point, East Texas has gained notoriety for the success in lower classifications......4A-2A. While an occasional John Tyler, Texas High. Marshall or Lufkin might make noise in 6A/5A ranks, East Texas is known for its Gilmers, its Waskoms, Arps and Altos. No, it is commitment by a community to allow kids to develop. Sure better facilities may help, but in itself it is not the answer either. What I mean by community commitment is a community that buys into a coach just as much as the players and allows the coach to be boss. Not asking for his job after a certain loss, not starting stupid online petitions, not whining about the workouts a coach might not necessarily fit lil' Johnny's favorite sport, not refusing to do something because the newest guru said do it another way. If you really want to see if the community is in tune with that commitment, don't look at the football forum now. In a time where the boys are about to hit the field, everyone backs their school's teams. No, look at the football forum and other forums while jump shots are falling and fastballs are being thrown. During those times, are you seeing threads and posts complaining about the football coach doing lifting on a certain day or a workout that was "too extreme?" Do you see posts that call for a coach's head because he "yells" at kids? Do you have coaches leaving the football program on what seems to be a semi annual basis. Then chances are, you do not have a community that has bought in and the chances that your school will be participating in football beyond the first week of November are remote. Now, I understand that some will claim the desire for a more "balanced" athletic program and I get that. I am not advocating the sacrifice of any other UIL sport in order to succeed at football. However, the reality is that those schools who do perennially advance deep in the playoffs in football do not have their program lie dormant while other sports are being played and that for this area to achieve the "respect," that reality must be accepted. West Brook 1982 state champ Quote
navydawg31 Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said: The newbie that dropped. Before then it was Dayton, remember they were in that district before. Touché I always forget Dayton was around 2 years when I was over seas in Iraq. Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 Quote
WOSgrad Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 30 minutes ago, BADSANTA said: West Brook 1982 state champ French, 1984 co-state champ. Barry Edelmon, where ever you are, you're welcome. mytwocents-28 and AthleticSupporter - Jock 2 Quote
Bigdog Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 44 minutes ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said: Incorrect. Try again. correct. Ned was in the Semi-Finals in 2001. This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Posted August 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, bigdog said: correct. Ned was in the Semi-Finals in 2001. This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Pretty sure 2 others made it of recent memory, scroll below that post. Quote
Bigdog Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said: Pretty sure 2 others made it of recent memory. I wasn't questioning that. I was correcting the statement that Ned didn't make it out of region in '01. Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Posted August 17, 2016 1 minute ago, bigdog said: I wasn't questioning that. I was correcting the statement that Ned didn't make it out of region in '01. Nobody said they didn't 15 years ago before smartphones were invented. Quote
Bigdog Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said: Nobody said they didn't 15 years ago before smartphones were invented. And? No team in this area except WOS and maybe Newton have made consistent deep runs, including PAM. navydawg31 1 Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Posted August 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, bigdog said: And? No team in this area except WOS and maybe Newton have made consistent deep runs, including PAM. Reading is fundamental. Refer to post #1 and #5. Quote
Stattrax Posted August 17, 2016 Report Posted August 17, 2016 16 minutes ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said: Reading is fundamental. Refer to post #1 and #5. Football is no fundamental...... PAM is not a factory.....1 good run since the Dodger...... outanup 1 Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Posted August 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stattrax said: Football is no fundamental...... PAM is not a factory.....1 good run since the Dodger...... Png won its region recently? If so I missed it. But I know some Png fans who wants their HC to get out of the region though. Quote
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