RealTalkRob Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 Hopefully with the tournament now using the Houston Chapter of Officials(Refs), we can get this tournament back to the glory days and get more local schools interested in participating. We will see! I am with the YMBL and hopefully along with BISD, we can make this happen. Here's to a great 2016 BISD/YMBL SouthTexas Shootout tournament. I included what Boys/Girls teams we have so far. Subject to change Girls Local Central, West Brook, Legacy, Ozen, PA Memorial Out of Town Harker Heights, Fort Bend Elkins, Crowley, Nimitz, Lamar Consolidated, Madison Prep, OP Walker Boys Local Central, West Brook, Ozen Out of Town Satch, Scarborough, Sharpstown, Austin HS, FB RidgePoint Quote
Mamba Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 That is a questionable field of boys .... BADSANTA and RealTalkRob 2 Quote
RealTalkRob Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Posted October 18, 2016 20 minutes ago, BlkMamba24 said: That is a questionable field of boys .... BISD gets the teams, we just help out with the tournament. Hopefully it gets better with a change of officials. Quote
Mamba Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, rohebert said: BISD gets the teams, we just help out with the tournament. Hopefully it gets better with a change of officials. I understand it used to be a big time tournament have you guys ever thought of getting Doug Jones or Jim Hicks from RCSSPORTS imvolved they could turn it around with one phone call. Quote
RealTalkRob Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Posted October 18, 2016 Everything has to go through BISD by UIL regulations, but it is something we can mention for next year. It just used to be the YMBL SouthTexas Shootout until the UIL came along with different rules and BISD wasn't involved, now they have to be. Quote
Mamba Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 40 minutes ago, rohebert said: Everything has to go through BISD by UIL regulations, but it is something we can mention for next year. It just used to be the YMBL SouthTexas Shootout until the UIL came along with different rules and BISD wasn't involved, now they have to be. Oh ok i understand ,but yes they would definitely help restore it to what it used to be. Quote
AggiesAreWe Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 Pool play! I say again, pool play!!! Just cannot have a bracket play tourney with just 8 teams. Nobody wants to play in that format. Coaches want games. Minimum 4-5 games. Has nothing to do with officials. Only getting three games is just not worth it. Mamba, Team Game, ST413 and 1 other 4 Quote
Mamba Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 5 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said: Pool play! I say again, pool play!!! Just cannot have a bracket play tourney with just 8 teams. Nobody wants to play in that format. Coaches want games. Minimum 4-5 games. Has nothing to do with officials. Only getting three games is just not worth it. and along with that the level of quality teams who are attending will increase AggiesAreWe 1 Quote
RealTalkRob Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Posted October 18, 2016 6 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said: Pool play! I say again, pool play!!! Just cannot have a bracket play tourney with just 8 teams. Nobody wants to play in that format. Coaches want games. Minimum 4-5 games. Has nothing to do with officials. Only getting three games is just not worth it. I agree, but officiating has been a big complaint among coaches who have brought their teams in the past. Quote
ST413 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 Officiating is a big complaint almost anywhere!!(especially when you don't win) Quote
TxHoops Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 8 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said: Pool play! I say again, pool play!!! Just cannot have a bracket play tourney with just 8 teams. Nobody wants to play in that format. Coaches want games. Minimum 4-5 games. Has nothing to do with officials. Only getting three games is just not worth it. THIS! The only way to make a strict bracket play tournament worth it is to field the number of teams like the SAISD does (I think 32). It's going to be hard to get that in Beaumont and if you did, you're going to need a lot more gyms than what they use, especially with the girls' tourney going on at the same time. Going to pool play is the best quick fix they can do. I also agree that enlisting the help of the Houston guys like Mamba suggested would be a great move. To try and get it close to what it once was, you're going to have to get a lot of Houston support. Quote
Mamba Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 The girls should move their date to a wk later...but even if they didnt BISD has too many gyms not make this a successful tournament...South Park(2gyms),Ozen(2gyms,WB(2gyms,Central(2gyms),Odom(2gyms),MLK, Pietzch,..etc etc Alpha Wolf 1 Quote
winwin Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 9 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said: Pool play! I say again, pool play!!! Just cannot have a bracket play tourney with just 8 teams. Nobody wants to play in that format. Coaches want games. Minimum 4-5 games. Has nothing to do with officials. Only getting three games is just not worth it. Nail... meet head. Coaches look for opportunities to play in 5 games. Each tournament counts as two games on your schedule. So playing in a 3 game max isn't ideal. Although sometimes we are forced to do so based on date availability. The YMBL is competing with the Nederland Bulldog Classic, which has a 5 game potential. Quote
RealTalkRob Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Posted October 18, 2016 13 minutes ago, BlkMamba24 said: The girls should move their date to a wk later...but even if they didnt BISD has too many gyms not make this a successful tournament...South Park(2gyms),Ozen(2gyms,WB(2gyms,Central(2gyms),Odom(2gyms),MLK, Pietzch,..etc etc We use the Montagne center and McDonald gym. We have the Ozen gym available if needed. Quote
AggiesAreWe Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 1 minute ago, rohebert said: We use the Montagne center and McDonald gym. We have the Ozen gym available if needed. Not enough to do pool play and using McDonald is useless when the big local boys teams play. Quote
RealTalkRob Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Posted October 18, 2016 I will pass all this great info along to the chairman over the tournament and Ron Jackson of BISD. If anyone on here knows Ron Jackson, please pass along any and all ideas to him so we can get this tournament back to where it used to be. Thanks winwin and TeeCal85 2 Quote
Djones8301 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 I would definitely love to help get this tournament back to where it used to be. Coaches want pool play so they can get more games in a weekend. But I could use my relationships with several high school coaches to make this a great tournament again. TeeCal85 and RealTalkRob 2 Quote
AggiesAreWe Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 26 minutes ago, rohebert said: I will pass all this great info along to the chairman over the tournament and Ron Jackson of BISD. If anyone on here knows Ron Jackson, please pass along any and all ideas to him so we can get this tournament back to where it used to be. Thanks I have already had several conversations with Ron on this subject. In his defense, his hands are somewhat tied. I think it's time to have the boys and girls tourneys on different weeks. I realize needing volunteers and being able to cover all the games is a great task. Kudos to the YMBL for what they do. RealTalkRob 1 Quote
ST413 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 Pool play is the answer but the excuse errr reason given against it last year I believe was it would be too many games. Definately more inviting for Coaches. Quote
Mamba Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 35 minutes ago, BADSANTA said: This tourney looks weak!!! Yes very.. only decent out of town teams are SATCH & Ridge Point.... Quote
BLUEDOVE3 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 Humans will complain about refs no matter where they are from and no matter what level of play. The coaches I knew stopped participating because they went to tourneys to get in more games and keep their players busy, on and off the court. Quote
winwin Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 48 minutes ago, BlkMamba24 said: Yes very.. only decent out of town teams are SATCH & Ridge Point.... I was told that SATCH was changing their name to the Houston Mavericks. That's how we have them listed on our schedule. Quote
Mamba Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 3 hours ago, winwin said: I was told that SATCH was changing their name to the Houston Mavericks. That's how we have them listed on our schedule. Yes they did change it to Houston Homeschool Athletics(HHSA) Quote
TxHoops Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 Hopefully they send their "A" team this year. They were supposed to be in it last year and sent the B team. Quote
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