Your Right To or Not To Vote....

[PortArthur33]

I heard Stephen A Smith put down a few players on deciding not to vote.  In his opinion and many, if you don't vote, you don't have a voice.  I disagree to the point that even if you vote that doesn't mean your voice will be heard.  Many politicians (the left or the right) don't look out for the working class, and in my opinion that's the sector of our society that works the hardest and gets overlooked the most.  The people that work hard and provide for their families and don't need the assistance of the government to get by, but when time do get hard, there's no programs that will give them assistance.  We don't make enough to live worry free, but we do make enough that we don't have the day to day or more so the paycheck to paycheck problems as some unfortunate citizens do.  

Ok, back to what saying. Minorities, women, etc fought for the right to vote.  Let's say that again.  They fought for the RIGHT to vote.  Not the OBLIGATION to vote.  I can put it a little simpler.  One candidate has more popular vote, meaning The majority of the population wanted that person to win, but they don't because of the electoral college.  Correct?  Well, to some that meant that their vote did not count, and in all actuality, that is 100% correct.  From what I understand, the Four Fathers didn't think the vast majority of the citizens were intelligent enough to really know who they wanted to be President, so they instituted the electoral college to be the voice of the American citizens.  I may be wrong.  I'm not a historian.  So when some say their vote doesn't count; in a way, they are correct.   

[BS Wildcats]

I cannot agree with you on this.  Kaepernick wants to holler about oppression and perceived wrongs, but will not go vote to get "change" he protests about.  Stephen A. is spot on in his ripping of Kaepernick.

[PortArthur33]

I'm not talking about an individual person, but I agree with you when it comes to Kaepernick.  He talks about justice for blacks and in some cases rightfully so, but to not vote for your local politicians IMO is where the real change begins and why he should have voted, especially in his local elections.  I was making the point that everyone has the RIGHT to vote and not the OBLIGATION.  You're talking about 1 individual that rubbed many people the wrong way with his protest.  We gotta remember we have these rights that are protected under the constitution and the law.  We have a right to free speech, but not all people take advantage of it and some do, even if its to spill out hateful rhetoric, and I'm not talking about Trump. lol  Klan rallies are escorted by police, because their rights are protected by the law.  They have the right to.   

Local elections deal with the real issues that Kaepernick bring up more that Presidential elections.  That's my only problem with him not voting.      

[tvc184]

8 hours ago, PortArthur33 said:

I heard Stephen A Smith put down a few players on deciding not to vote.  In his opinion and many, if you don't vote, you don't have a voice.  I disagree to the point that even if you vote that doesn't mean your voice will be heard...................

Yes, Smith is correct and you are wrong.

Do you lose your right to protest if you do not vote? Obviously not.

Do you have to vote? Obviously not.

Then you go on with the working class and working hard and other such stuff. None of that has anything to do with what Smith said.

It seems hypocritical to not vote, say you don't believe in the system and then complain about the system that you couldn't take 15 minutes out of your day to vote for. Can you? Sure you can. You have no obligation to do anything in order to use your First Amendment right of freedom of speech. If someone doesn't want to vote, more power to them. Complain away if you want but you seem like a phony if you complain about the status quo but can't take time to do anything about it. 

And does your vote matter? Ask the Democrats and are now the whiners in chief after they didn't think their vote was needed. 

[PortArthur33]

On 11/19/2016 at 9:01 PM, tvc184 said:

Yes, Smith is correct and you are wrong.

Do you lose your right to protest if you do not vote? Obviously not.

Do you have to vote? Obviously not.

Then you go on with the working class and working hard and other such stuff. None of that has anything to do with what Smith said.

It seems hypocritical to not vote, say you don't believe in the system and then complain about the system that you couldn't take 15 minutes out of your day to vote for. Can you? Sure you can. You have no obligation to do anything in order to use your First Amendment right of freedom of speech. If someone doesn't want to vote, more power to them. Complain away if you want but you seem like a phony if you complain about the status quo but can't take time to do anything about it. 

And does your vote matter? Ask the Democrats and are now the whiners in chief after they didn't think their vote was needed. 

 

On 11/18/2016 at 0:24 PM, PortArthur33 said:

I'm not talking about an individual person, but I AGREE with you when it comes to Kaepernick.  He talks about justice for blacks and in some cases rightfully so, but to not vote for your local politicians IMO is where the real change begins and why he SHOULD have voted, especially in his local elections.  I was making the point that everyone has the RIGHT to vote and not the OBLIGATION.  You're talking about 1 individual that rubbed many people the wrong way with his protest.  We gotta remember we have these rights that are protected under the constitution and the law.  We have a right to free speech, but not all people take advantage of it and some do, even if its to spill out hateful rhetoric, and I'm not talking about Trump. lol  Klan rallies are escorted by police, because their rights are protected by the law.  They have the right to.   

Local elections deal with the real issues that Kaepernick bring up more that Presidential elections.  That's my only problem with him not voting.      

 

[PortArthur33]

My basic point was that I agree the Kaepernick should have voted.  He doesn't have to vote, but putting yourself on a national stage talking about injustices is the main reason he should have.  I don't know where an opinion is wrong.  You have the right to disagree with anyone's opinion, but to say wrong in all actuality is wrong. lol

[CRUSHCOACH]

Every LEGAL Citizen of the United States has the RIGH to vote but they are not obligated to vote. However, if you don't exercise your right to vote you damn sure don't have a RIGHT to biotch about things in your area !

[tvc184]

34 minutes ago, PortArthur33 said:

My basic point was that I agree the Kaepernick should have voted.  He doesn't have to vote, but putting yourself on a national stage talking about injustices is the main reason he should have.  I don't know where an opinion is wrong.  You have the right to disagree with anyone's opinion, but to say wrong in all actuality is wrong. lol

So we have the right to an opinion but if that opinion is that someone else is wrong, it is automatically wrong?

You are talking in circles. Let's see, if you believe someone is wrong but you say they are wrong then you are wrong for saying that they are wrong but the person that you are talking about is also wrong because he believes that you are wrong.

Talk about a paradox.

That also means that no one is ever right. 

 

[baddog]

George Carlin (R.I.P.) had an opinion on not voting. He said that if you voted and your candidate won, then you have no right to complain because you're responsible for him being there in the first place. George, on the other hand, didn't vote and has every right in the world to complain about who you voted to run things.

This was a terrible attempt at paraphrasing but efficient enough. Need to give George a listen. Beware of "F" bombs and worse.