UTfanatic Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Posted March 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, PhatMack19 said: Is Herman breaking hazing laws? No and Herman's team are physical and do not play "basketball on grass" like some. Sure glad that.... "this ain't last year" horns up and Hookem Quote
PhatMack19 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Posted March 13, 2017 5 hours ago, UTfanatic said: No and Herman's team are physical and do not play "basketball on grass" like some. Sure glad that.... "this ain't last year" horns up and Hookem You sure? After reading the This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up on how Tom Herman specifically breaks his team up into three groups (gold, green, crimson) and even feeds them all differently, I did a little research. This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up , what Herman is doing is hazing, which is This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up .From the handbook: Quote: Hazing is prohibited under state law. The University will initiate disciplinary action in response to hazing incidents that take place during official functions of the University or during functions sponsored by registered student organizations or sponsored student organizations; the University will also initiate disciplinary action in response to hazing incidents that have a substantial connection to the interests of the University regardless of the location in which they occur, on or off campus. See Texas Education Code, Section 37.156 and Section 51.936 for more information. "Hazing" or "hazing activity" means any intentional, knowing, or reckless act, occurring on or off of the campus of an educational institution, by one person alone or acting with others, directed against a student, that endangers the mental or physical health or safety of a student for the purpose of pledging, being initiated into, affiliating with, holding office in, or maintaining membership in any organization whose members are primarily students at an educational institution. Hazing includes but is not limited to any activity involving consumption of a food, liquid, alcoholic beverage, liquor, drug, or other substance that subjects the student to an unreasonable risk of harm or that adversely affects the mental or physical health or safety of the student Serving someone burnt biscuits, watered down eggs? Burnt hots dogs, burnt burgers? Quote: any activity that intimidates or threatens the student with ostracism, that subjects the student to extreme mental stress, shame, or humiliation, that adversely affects the mental health or dignity of the student Putting someone on the 'crimson' team as a means of shaming them for their performance certainly meets this definition. Quote: "Organization" means a fraternity, sorority, association, corporation, order, society, corps, club, team, or service, social, or similar group whose members are primarily students, and includes but is not limited to groups with a valid registration under chapter 6 of the Institutional Rules. See Texas Education Code, Section 37.151(5) for more information. A person commits the offense of hazing and is subject to discipline under this chapter if the person engages in hazing; solicits, encourages, directs, aids, or attempts to aid another in engaging in hazing;recklessly permits hazing to occur; or *has firsthand knowledge of the planning of a specific hazing incident(s) involving a student in an educational institution, or has firsthand knowledge that a specific hazing incident has occurred, and knowingly fails to report that knowledge in writing to the dean of students or other appropriate * Consenting as a member of the team is not a defense. Quote: Hazing with or without the consent of a student is prohibited, whether on or off campus, and a violation of that prohibition renders both the person inflicting the hazing and the person submitting to the hazing subject to discipline. An organization commits a hazing offense if the organization condones or encourages hazing or if an officer, authorized representative, or any combination of members, potential new members, or alumni of the organization commits or assists in the commission of hazing. Coaches hazing the players meets this definition. Quote
Peppermint Patty Posted March 13, 2017 Report Posted March 13, 2017 50 minutes ago, PhatMack19 said: You sure? After reading the This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up on how Tom Herman specifically breaks his team up into three groups (gold, green, crimson) and even feeds them all differently, I did a little research. This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up , what Herman is doing is hazing, which is This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up .From the handbook: Quote: Hazing is prohibited under state law. The University will initiate disciplinary action in response to hazing incidents that take place during official functions of the University or during functions sponsored by registered student organizations or sponsored student organizations; the University will also initiate disciplinary action in response to hazing incidents that have a substantial connection to the interests of the University regardless of the location in which they occur, on or off campus. See Texas Education Code, Section 37.156 and Section 51.936 for more information. "Hazing" or "hazing activity" means any intentional, knowing, or reckless act, occurring on or off of the campus of an educational institution, by one person alone or acting with others, directed against a student, that endangers the mental or physical health or safety of a student for the purpose of pledging, being initiated into, affiliating with, holding office in, or maintaining membership in any organization whose members are primarily students at an educational institution. Hazing includes but is not limited to any activity involving consumption of a food, liquid, alcoholic beverage, liquor, drug, or other substance that subjects the student to an unreasonable risk of harm or that adversely affects the mental or physical health or safety of the student Serving someone burnt biscuits, watered down eggs? Burnt hots dogs, burnt burgers? Quote: any activity that intimidates or threatens the student with ostracism, that subjects the student to extreme mental stress, shame, or humiliation, that adversely affects the mental health or dignity of the student Putting someone on the 'crimson' team as a means of shaming them for their performance certainly meets this definition. Quote: "Organization" means a fraternity, sorority, association, corporation, order, society, corps, club, team, or service, social, or similar group whose members are primarily students, and includes but is not limited to groups with a valid registration under chapter 6 of the Institutional Rules. See Texas Education Code, Section 37.151(5) for more information. A person commits the offense of hazing and is subject to discipline under this chapter if the person engages in hazing; solicits, encourages, directs, aids, or attempts to aid another in engaging in hazing;recklessly permits hazing to occur; or * has firsthand knowledge of the planning of a specific hazing incident(s) involving a student in an educational institution, or has firsthand knowledge that a specific hazing incident has occurred, and knowingly fails to report that knowledge in writing to the dean of students or other appropriate * Consenting as a member of the team is not a defense. Quote: Hazing with or without the consent of a student is prohibited, whether on or off campus, and a violation of that prohibition renders both the person inflicting the hazing and the person submitting to the hazing subject to discipline. An organization commits a hazing offense if the organization condones or encourages hazing or if an officer, authorized representative, or any combination of members, potential new members, or alumni of the organization commits or assists in the commission of hazing. Coaches hazing the players meets this definition. No. Choking in November is hazing. TxHoops, texanabroad and UTfanatic 3 Quote
UTfanatic Posted March 14, 2017 Author Report Posted March 14, 2017 13 hours ago, Bandwagon Ranger said: No. Choking in November is hazing. Choking in November is an "Aggie Turdition" along with losing to Texas. Mack is sounding like an upset "frat boy"!! Quote
texanabroad Posted March 15, 2017 Report Posted March 15, 2017 Mack, that seems like a stretch to call that hazing. I don't get where the actions are causing any mental or physical distress. If so, Texas may never win another game. Quote
UTfanatic Posted March 16, 2017 Author Report Posted March 16, 2017 Having a little fun with the boys and staff This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Did you see those forearms! WOW This team and staff will be ready to play in the fall. "This ain't last year" Quote
PhatMack19 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Posted March 16, 2017 On 3/15/2017 at 1:08 AM, texanabroad said: Mack, that seems like a stretch to call that hazing. I don't get where the actions are causing any mental or physical distress. If so, Texas may never win another game. All it takes is one kid to complain about having to eat burnt hot dogs.... Quote
Peppermint Patty Posted March 17, 2017 Report Posted March 17, 2017 9 hours ago, PhatMack19 said: All it takes is one kid to complain about having to eat burnt hot dogs.... Then don't lose. Sprinkles are for winners. Quote
1989NDN Posted March 17, 2017 Report Posted March 17, 2017 Tom Herman did the same things at Houston. Before that, he learned his tricks of the trade from Urban Meyer, who did the same things at Utah, Florida and Ohio State. If a unit, e.g., the defense, had a bad practice, then they ate watered down eggs and 2-day old toast. The flip side, if a unit had a great practice, e.g., special teams did well in a given practice, then they got extra perks, i.e., got to skip running drills or got their choice on the dinner menu. If a certain player within a unit performed poorly in a practice or game, i.e., a RB fumbled during the offensive session or a QB threw an INT during a game, then that player got called out in front of his teammates and had to take a "penalty," i.e., maybe five extra gassers or he had to run gassers with weight belts on his legs. Tom Herman is big on eliminating mistakes -- no fumbles or INTs or stupid penalties, and he is big on accountability. His practices are physical. It may look like hazing to an outsider, but it's not. It's a system of rewards vs. penalties. If you crack a helmet or bend a face mask due to a hit, you get a reward. If you screw up and cost the team, you get penalized. If you can survive Coach Herman's practices, the games will seem like a walk in the park. From Coach Herman's time at UH, I can tell Texas fans that UT teams will not be worn down. Those kids that get tired and make mistakes in games and those that will not "out physical" their opponent, they will not play. Those kids that sell-out and physically dominate an opponent, e.g., Ed Oliver at UH, Stephen Taylor at UH, Elandon Roberts at UH, etc., those kids will play for Tom Herman regardless of their pedigree (5-star, 2-star, walk-on) and regardless of their classification (FR, SOPH, JR, SR). It's not hazing. It's called creating a culture. It worked at Utah, Florida, Ohio State, Houston...and it will work at Texas. Peace. UTfanatic, TxHoops and D3zii 3 Quote
UTfanatic Posted March 18, 2017 Author Report Posted March 18, 2017 Boo's to lose page 9 of the BR slideshow This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up horns up and Hookem Quote
UTfanatic Posted March 19, 2017 Author Report Posted March 19, 2017 Must see page 10 of the BR slideshow This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up horns up and Hookem Quote
UTfanatic Posted March 20, 2017 Author Report Posted March 20, 2017 Sure glad Spring Break is over Practices to resume with just a little bit of hitting. "This ain't last year" Quote
D3zii Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 On 3/17/2017 at 10:59 PM, 1989NDN said: Tom Herman did the same things at Houston. Before that, he learned his tricks of the trade from Urban Meyer, who did the same things at Utah, Florida and Ohio State. If a unit, e.g., the defense, had a bad practice, then they ate watered down eggs and 2-day old toast. The flip side, if a unit had a great practice, e.g., special teams did well in a given practice, then they got extra perks, i.e., got to skip running drills or got their choice on the dinner menu. If a certain player within a unit performed poorly in a practice or game, i.e., a RB fumbled during the offensive session or a QB threw an INT during a game, then that player got called out in front of his teammates and had to take a "penalty," i.e., maybe five extra gassers or he had to run gassers with weight belts on his legs. Tom Herman is big on eliminating mistakes -- no fumbles or INTs or stupid penalties, and he is big on accountability. His practices are physical. It may look like hazing to an outsider, but it's not. It's a system of rewards vs. penalties. If you crack a helmet or bend a face mask due to a hit, you get a reward. If you screw up and cost the team, you get penalized. If you can survive Coach Herman's practices, the games will seem like a walk in the park. From Coach Herman's time at UH, I can tell Texas fans that UT teams will not be worn down. Those kids that get tired and make mistakes in games and those that will not "out physical" their opponent, they will not play. Those kids that sell-out and physically dominate an opponent, e.g., Ed Oliver at UH, Stephen Taylor at UH, Elandon Roberts at UH, etc., those kids will play for Tom Herman regardless of their pedigree (5-star, 2-star, walk-on) and regardless of their classification (FR, SOPH, JR, SR). It's not hazing. It's called creating a culture. It worked at Utah, Florida, Ohio State, Houston...and it will work at Texas. Peace. Love Thoes coaches with a physical mentality, who still make practices hard and physical...Trust me your team will be better from it, specially in Texas case with the miss tackles... UTfanatic 1 Quote
team first Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 Texas recruiting Brandon Harris I guess this isn't last year lmao Quote
Peppermint Patty Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, team first said: Texas recruiting Brandon Harris I guess this isn't last year lmao One man's trash is another man's treasure. Quote
UTfanatic Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, team first said: Texas recruiting Brandon Harris I guess this isn't last year lmao It ain't, ......there there sunflower, just calm down! BTW Harris is going to the Tar Heels where he has a chance to start! Quote
team first Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 Maybe, or he may choose Arizona or he may choose tx. Just cuase he visted NC first doesn't mean he will choose NC maybe BR can help you out. Just keep searching and hopefully they will provide you a link soon Quote
UTfanatic Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Posted March 21, 2017 42 minutes ago, team first said: Maybe, or he may choose Arizona or he may choose tx. Just cuase he visted NC first doesn't mean he will choose NC maybe BR can help you out. Just keep searching and hopefully they will provide you a link soon Or maybe the interview on some sec rag. Harris love Fedora, per his words. go find it sunflower Quote
Peppermint Patty Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 52 minutes ago, team first said: Maybe, or he may choose Arizona or he may choose tx. Just cuase he visted NC first doesn't mean he will choose NC maybe BR can help you out. Just keep searching and hopefully they will provide you a link soon UTfanatic 1 Quote
UTfanatic Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Posted March 21, 2017 4 hours ago, team first said: Maybe, or he may choose Arizona or he may choose tx. Just cuase he visted NC first doesn't mean he will choose NC maybe BR can help you out. Just keep searching and hopefully they will provide you a link soon Or should Mr Harris look good at any stop, what does it say about old purpa and yella? That right! "This ain't last year" Quote
UTfanatic Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Posted March 22, 2017 need some depth at QB now! "This ain't last year" Horns up and Hookem Quote
UTfanatic Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Posted March 23, 2017 Herman's post practice interview happy with the effort Horns up and Hookem Quote
TxHoops Posted March 24, 2017 Report Posted March 24, 2017 On 3/17/2017 at 10:59 PM, 1989NDN said: Tom Herman did the same things at Houston. Before that, he learned his tricks of the trade from Urban Meyer, who did the same things at Utah, Florida and Ohio State. If a unit, e.g., the defense, had a bad practice, then they ate watered down eggs and 2-day old toast. The flip side, if a unit had a great practice, e.g., special teams did well in a given practice, then they got extra perks, i.e., got to skip running drills or got their choice on the dinner menu. If a certain player within a unit performed poorly in a practice or game, i.e., a RB fumbled during the offensive session or a QB threw an INT during a game, then that player got called out in front of his teammates and had to take a "penalty," i.e., maybe five extra gassers or he had to run gassers with weight belts on his legs. Tom Herman is big on eliminating mistakes -- no fumbles or INTs or stupid penalties, and he is big on accountability. His practices are physical. It may look like hazing to an outsider, but it's not. It's a system of rewards vs. penalties. If you crack a helmet or bend a face mask due to a hit, you get a reward. If you screw up and cost the team, you get penalized. If you can survive Coach Herman's practices, the games will seem like a walk in the park. From Coach Herman's time at UH, I can tell Texas fans that UT teams will not be worn down. Those kids that get tired and make mistakes in games and those that will not "out physical" their opponent, they will not play. Those kids that sell-out and physically dominate an opponent, e.g., Ed Oliver at UH, Stephen Taylor at UH, Elandon Roberts at UH, etc., those kids will play for Tom Herman regardless of their pedigree (5-star, 2-star, walk-on) and regardless of their classification (FR, SOPH, JR, SR). It's not hazing. It's called creating a culture. It worked at Utah, Florida, Ohio State, Houston...and it will work at Texas. Peace. You guys keep Roshon healthy in purple the next couple of years. Looking forward to seeing him in burnt orange after that. Great post by the way. Quote
UTfanatic Posted March 25, 2017 Author Report Posted March 25, 2017 Elliot has also impressed "This ain't last year" horns up and Hookem Quote
UTfanatic Posted March 26, 2017 Author Report Posted March 26, 2017 The Shakelford injury bothers me! Ankle injuries for him have been recurring. I wonder who gets "reef & beef" and who gets "toast and rippers"? "This ain't last year" and PTL for it! Quote
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