Silsbee 65 The Woodlands 64/FINAL

[The Cook]

12 hours ago, ST413 said:

Hmmm after watching the highlights on Kfdm and slowing them down it does appear that Kaylon put the ball off the glass and then you see the hand of the Woodlands player slap it away.  So from that look it was a good call.  Awful fast to see in Regular speed but appears to me to be correct.

Guys, I must insert myself into this discussion about the ball hitting the backboard. It looks like it did in the video....but it makes no difference whether it did or didn't hit backboard. The only criteria for goaltending is if the ball is on its downward flight ONLY. You guys are citing an NBA rule but NCAA & HS it is not. My 2 cents.

[Lazeek]

Isn't the backboard the same as the rim?  Once the ball touches it it cannot be interfered with?

[AggiesAreWe]

6 minutes ago, Lazeek said:

Isn't the backboard the same as the rim?  Once the ball touches it it cannot be interfered with?

That's the way I have always understood it to be.

You would think after those three officials got together they would know the rule.

[The Cook]

7 minutes ago, Lazeek said:

Isn't the backboard the same as the rim?  Once the ball touches it it cannot be interfered with?

No sir. Think of this.. free throw hits rim=legal. Free throw hits backboard only=illegal.

[Lazeek]

RUAU is correct 

very interesting

 

24. It is not goaltending if, after contacting the backboard, the ball is touched by a defensive player, provided the ball has not reached it’s apex and it is not inside the cylinder.  Comment: It is legal for a defender in the normal course of trying to block a shot, to contact the backboard with his hand. This is not basket interference.  It is a technical foul only if, in your judgment, the contact with the backboard was intentional in nature with no real attempt to block the shot.

25. Basket Interference occurs when: a player touches the ball or basket (net included) when the ball is ON or within the basket; touches the ball when it is touching the cylinder having the ring as its lower base; touches the ball outside the cylinder while reaching through the basket from below. Goal Tendingoccurs when: a player touches the ball during a try or tap while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket in flight; or an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free throw attempt. Comment:  Touching the net is only a violation if the ball is in contact with the rim, or is within the basket.   It is not a violation if the net is touch while the ball is in the cylinder.  Again, the lead official should never have to make this call.

 

 

[Who That]

Who cares the game is over.! Silsbee won".! And all this again about this team and that team heard this all last year about the teams Silsbee better wacth out for" lol ... And all them good old teams where sitting at home watching the state games on tv. And look who we played Levelland another team we where supposed to be worried about that took a 42 point lost to the Tigers. Silsbee last lost was once again to a 6A #1 team just like Wagner. 6A #2 now #1 and rank #14 in the country D.Skyline .! And they will tell you they where scared at the half being down to Silsbee for the first time all year being behind. Now back to the 4A schools Silsbee is the best and Lincoln is the 2nd best yes their are still two teams out there that will make it to San Antonio who are they we will haft to wate and see. But Silsbee and Lincoln will handle them two teams. And play once again for the 4A Texas High school State Championship.

[The Cook]

5 minutes ago, Lazeek said:

RUAU is correct 

very interesting

 

24. It is not goaltending if, after contacting the backboard, the ball is touched by a defensive player, provided the ball has not reached it’s apex and it is not inside the cylinder.  Comment: It is legal for a defender in the normal course of trying to block a shot, to contact the backboard with his hand. This is not basket interference.  It is a technical foul only if, in your judgment, the contact with the backboard was intentional in nature with no real attempt to block the shot.

25. Basket Interference occurs when: a player touches the ball or basket (net included) when the ball is ON or within the basket; touches the ball when it is touching the cylinder having the ring as its lower base; touches the ball outside the cylinder while reaching through the basket from below. Goal Tendingoccurs when: a player touches the ball during a try or tap while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket in flight; or an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free throw attempt. Comment:  Touching the net is only a violation if the ball is in contact with the rim, or is within the basket.   It is not a violation if the net is touch while the ball is in the cylinder.  Again, the lead official should never have to make this call.

 

 

That's the biggest point of all at the end. As in this Silsbee play, Lead official should NEVER rule on goaltending/basket interference from behind the backboard.

Great job Lazeek, should I forward you the registration forms for officiating...as illustrated, we take all comers

[AggiesAreWe]

3 minutes ago, Who That said:

Who cares the game is over.! Silsbee won".! And all this again about this team and that team heard this all last year about the teams Silsbee better wacth out for" lol ... And all them good old teams where sitting at home watching the state games on tv. And look who we played Levelland another team we where supposed to be worried about that took a 42 point lost to the Tigers. Silsbee last lost was once again to a 6A #1 team just like Wagner. 6A #2 now #1 and rank #14 in the country D.Skyline .! And they will tell you they where scared at the half being down to Silsbee for the first time all year being behind. Now back to the 4A schools Silsbee is the best and Lincoln is the 2nd best yes their are still two teams out there that will make it to San Antonio who are they we will haft to wate and see. But Silsbee and Lincoln will handle them two teams. And play once again for the 4A Texas High school State Championship.

There is a chance Silsbee could play Lincoln in semifinals

[AggiesAreWe]

9 minutes ago, Lazeek said:

RUAU is correct 

very interesting

 

24. It is not goaltending if, after contacting the backboard, the ball is touched by a defensive player, provided the ball has not reached it’s apex and it is not inside the cylinder.  Comment: It is legal for a defender in the normal course of trying to block a shot, to contact the backboard with his hand. This is not basket interference.  It is a technical foul only if, in your judgment, the contact with the backboard was intentional in nature with no real attempt to block the shot.

25. Basket Interference occurs when: a player touches the ball or basket (net included) when the ball is ON or within the basket; touches the ball when it is touching the cylinder having the ring as its lower base; touches the ball outside the cylinder while reaching through the basket from below. Goal Tendingoccurs when: a player touches the ball during a try or tap while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket in flight; or an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free throw attempt. Comment:  Touching the net is only a violation if the ball is in contact with the rim, or is within the basket.   It is not a violation if the net is touch while the ball is in the cylinder.  Again, the lead official should never have to make this call.

 

 

Then the wrong call was made according to this rule.

[The Cook]

9 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Then the wrong call was made according to this rule.

Yes, that was my earlier point

[Who That]

5 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

There is a chance Silsbee could play Lincoln in semifinals

Well that's even better going to haft to play them again regardless. And it's going to be a good one etier way. I really don't thank this year it really matters who" are when Silsbee faces whoever Silsbee Tigers are on a mission and this year I" do believe it will be a completed one. #TigerNation #END-THE-FRUSTRATION 

[AggiesAreWe]

24 minutes ago, RUAU2 said:

Yes, that was my earlier point

Silsbee had a call coming to them. They got the raw end of the deal at the end of their game against Hightower.

It's The Woodlands turn to get the benefit.

[About a week ago]

1 hour ago, Lazeek said:

RUAU is correct 

very interesting

 

24. It is not goaltending if, after contacting the backboard, the ball is touched by a defensive player, provided the ball has not reached it’s apex and it is not inside the cylinder.  Comment: It is legal for a defender in the normal course of trying to block a shot, to contact the backboard with his hand. This is not basket interference.  It is a technical foul only if, in your judgment, the contact with the backboard was intentional in nature with no real attempt to block the shot.

25. Basket Interference occurs when: a player touches the ball or basket (net included) when the ball is ON or within the basket; touches the ball when it is touching the cylinder having the ring as its lower base; touches the ball outside the cylinder while reaching through the basket from below. Goal Tendingoccurs when: a player touches the ball during a try or tap while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket in flight; or an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free throw attempt. Comment:  Touching the net is only a violation if the ball is in contact with the rim, or is within the basket.   It is not a violation if the net is touch while the ball is in the cylinder.  Again, the lead official should never have to make this call.

 

 

Where was this rule quoted from?

[The Cook]

10 minutes ago, About a week ago said:

Where was this rule quoted from?

The NFHS rule book

[no-look]

4 hours ago, ST413 said:

Not according to the uil alignment page.  I thought so too but they are in Carthage's district which is in region 2 for basketball.

Realignment for 2016-2018 has Center in region three. 

[ST413]

32 minutes ago, no-look said:

Realignment for 2016-2018 has Center in region three. 

Look on the UIL website for basketball it is region 2.  Just looked at it this morning.

[ST413]

29 minutes ago, no-look said:

Realignment for 2016-2018 has Center in region three. 

Here is the link:

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[ST413]

Interesting reading that rule.  By that definition it was a bad call but still could have been a foul call.

[The Cook]

1 hour ago, ST413 said:

Interesting reading that rule.  By that definition it was a bad call but still could have been a foul call.

With the blocked shot happening before the contact, unless the contact is intentional or flagrant, the contact is incidental thus ignored.

[BADSANTA]

Who cares game over. On to Saturday 

[Who That]

And College Park is not as good as the Woodlands.! Yes Grimes is a beast but it's really him and just him holding this team together. Silsbee comes to play they should take this one away. Silsbee should have a lot of steels in this game.! So we will just haft to see what happens Saturday #TigerNation #END-THE-FRUSTRATION

[AggiesAreWe]

28 minutes ago, Who That said:

And College Park is not as good as the Woodlands.! Yes Grimes is a beast but it's really him and just him holding this team together. Silsbee comes to play they should take this one away. Silsbee should have a lot of steels in this game.! So we will just haft to see what happens Saturday #TigerNation #END-THE-FRUSTRATION

IMO, College Park is better than The Woodlands

[AggiesAreWe]

CP's Grimes is averaging 29 points a game. Scored 46 against Hardin-Jefferson, 48 against Brazosport.

[Who That]

Well see" how it turns out...lmo #TigerNation #END-THE-FRUSTRATION

[no-look]

2 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

CP's Grimes is averaging 29 points a game. Scored 46 against Hardin-Jefferson, 48 against Brazosport.

Is this the player that Duke has offered?