Hardin-Jefferson 55 Cleveland 54/FINAL

[WOSgrad]

23-4A

[Pepper Brooks]

How did this one end up?

[Zawk007]

55-54 Final. HJ.

[stevenash]

Saw something I have never seen before in all of the basketball I have watched.  Cleveland goes to the free throw line with 18 seconds left trailing by two.  They make first free throw and miss the second one but got a putback rebound and are now up by 1 with about 12 seconds left.  HJ player dribbles to the paint and puts up a shot and is fouled with 9/10 of one second left.  HJ player makes the first free throw to tie the game.  As would be expected, opposing coach calls a timeout to let the HJ shooter have to think about the next free throw.  Following the timeout, the Cleveland players get in their respective rebounding positions.  At this time, you would expect the referee to hand the ball to the free throw shooter and proceed.   Instead of doing so, referee approaches each Cleveland player consecutively and has a brief conversation with them individually.( ( 4 separate conversations)  Has anybody else ever seen something like this?  I will let you draw your own conclusion about what the referee was attempting to achieve.  After all of those histrionics, the HJ player made the second free throw- Game over.  If HJ had lost, I would not be able to make the above statement because it would strictly be viewed as sour grapes.

[ST413]

Wow...if that happened in Cleveland I wonder what will happen when they get some of HJ's homecooking??

[stevenash]

10 hours ago, ST413 said:

Wow...if that happened in Cleveland I wonder what will happen when they get some of HJ's homecooking??

Thanks so much for a very well reasoned and insightful commentary. 

[TxHoops]

11 hours ago, stevenash said:

Saw something I have never seen before in all of the basketball I have watched.  Cleveland goes to the free throw line with 18 seconds left trailing by two.  They make first free throw and miss the second one but got a putback rebound and are now up by 1 with about 12 seconds left.  HJ player dribbles to the paint and puts up a shot and is fouled with 9/10 of one second left.  HJ player makes the first free throw to tie the game.  As would be expected, opposing coach calls a timeout to let the HJ shooter have to think about the next free throw.  Following the timeout, the Cleveland players get in their respective rebounding positions.  At this time, you would expect the referee to hand the ball to the free throw shooter and proceed.   Instead of doing so, referee approaches each Cleveland player consecutively and has a brief conversation with them individually.( ( 4 separate conversations)  Has anybody else ever seen something like this?  I will let you draw your own conclusion about what the referee was attempting to achieve.  After all of those histrionics, the HJ player made the second free throw- Game over.  If HJ had lost, I would not be able to make the above statement because it would strictly be viewed as sour grapes.

Can honestly say that is a new one for me.  Have never seen anything like that. 

[stevenash]

8 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

Can honestly say that is a new one for me.  Have never seen anything like that. 

thanks- so far haven't found anyone else who has experienced it either. 

[Lazeek]

I was told .009 on clock.  Wish I had been there to see this fiasco.

[no-look]

Weird. Would love to know what was said. 

[AggiesAreWe]

24 minutes ago, no-look said:

Weird. Would love to know what was said. 

me too

[stevenash]

Whatever it was,( if anything) could have been stated simultaneously to all four Cleveland players.

[AggiesAreWe]

5 minutes ago, stevenash said:

Whatever it was,( if anything) could have been stated simultaneously to all four Cleveland players.

Another question would be why just speak to Cleveland players? If the official had something to say, he should have addressed everyone that was lined up on the lane.

[stevenash]

Have made lots of inquiries today and, so far, nobody else has ever seen anything like that.

[WOSgrad]

2 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Another question would be why just speak to Cleveland players? If the official had something to say, he should have addressed everyone that was lined up on the lane.

Or if it was an issue for just Cleveland, address it to the coach or to the players before they came out of the time out.  Very odd indeed.

[ST413]

4 hours ago, stevenash said:

Thanks so much for a very well reasoned and insightful commentary. 

Glad you liked it.  But seriously have never seen anything like that or have any explanation for it.  

[TxHoops]

2 hours ago, WOSgrad said:

Or if it was an issue for just Cleveland, address it to the coach or to the players before they came out of the time out.  Very odd indeed.

This!

[ST413]

It was probably their AAU coach just telling them where their first tournament will be!

[Socrates]

There were no H-J players lined up around the lane, they had everyone back. 

[AggiesAreWe]

5 minutes ago, Socrates said:

There were no H-J players lined up around the lane, they had everyone back. 

That makes sense. A well coached team would never have his players lined up on the lane in that situation.

Still think the official could have addressed everyone at once, not individually.

[Hupernikomen]

My guess is he was telling them the kind of shot that was allowed based on the time left on the clock..just a guess.  But yeah, he has no reason to be coaching them or whatever he was doing at that moment of the game.

[whsalum]

That wasn't the only strange happenings in this game  

[ST413]

30 minutes ago, whsalum said:

That wasn't the only strange happenings in this game  

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[whsalum]

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That wasn't the only strange happenings in this game  

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I have never seen a basketball game officiated like this in all my life and I have spent a lot of hours in the gym, even officiated quite a few games in my younger days. There were multiple calls over turned or changed down the stretch in this game. On one possession a block was called by one official, a charge by the other. The "dominant" official over ruled his counterpart. On another possession one of the HJ players wound up 2 rows deep in the stands but no official saw the shove that put him there. Play was stopped on at least 1 occasion where there was a wide open drive to the basket and no call made. Overall the mechanics of this crew was awful, no other way to put it.

[ST413]

2 hours ago, whsalum said:

I have never seen a basketball game officiated like this in all my life and I have spent a lot of hours in the gym, even officiated quite a few games in my younger days. There were multiple calls over turned or changed down the stretch in this game. On one possession a block was called by one official, a charge by the other. The "dominant" official over ruled his counterpart. On another possession one of the HJ players wound up 2 rows deep in the stands but no official saw the shove that put him there. Play was stopped on at least 1 occasion where there was a wide open drive to the basket and no call made. Overall the mechanics of this crew was awful, no other way to put it.

I have seen some of that this year as well..