Trumpcare

[westend1]

Republicans voted several times to repeal Obamacare while he was in office.  Why can't they do it now?

[Englebert]

33 minutes ago, westend1 said:

Republicans voted several times to repeal Obamacare while he was in office.  Why can't they do it now?

Because now a replacement bill is attached. None of the GOP is fighting on whether Obamacare should be repealed...they are all in agreement on that. The disagreements are purely with the replacement bill.

[westend1]

So the truth is, they were only willing to pass a bill which they knew had no chance.   Just politics to please the base. Now that they can actually do it, they won't 

[Englebert]

5 minutes ago, westend1 said:

So the truth is, they were only willing to pass a bill which they knew had no chance.   Just politics to please the base. Now that they can actually do it, they won't 

A standalone repeal bill would probably pass, just as it did earlier. For some mysterious reason, a few (and way too many) think that Obamacare should be replaced. But there is absolutely no disagreement on whether Obamacare should be repealed. I don't think it is possible to get this many Republicans in full agreement on any issue as they are on repeal.

[westend1]

4 minutes ago, Englebert said:

A standalone repeal bill would probably pass, just as it did earlier. For some mysterious reason, a few (and way too many) think that Obamacare should be replaced.

It's not that mysterious.   Some people like parts of Obamacare and these republicans have elections in 2018

[LumRaiderFan]

6 minutes ago, Englebert said:

A standalone repeal bill would probably pass, just as it did earlier. For some mysterious reason, a few (and way too many) think that Obamacare should be replaced.

We have too many Republicans that may as well be Democrats...conservative Republicans are a minority these days, and it's showing big time in this.

One thing about the Dems, they stay in lockstep no matter how dumb the idea may be...especially if it's a vote on growing gov.

[Englebert]

2 minutes ago, westend1 said:

It's not that mysterious.   Some people like parts of Obamacare and these republicans have elections in 2018

And that is what the fight is about...what to include in the new Government run monstrosity. And yes, it is not a mystery. You keep implying that the Republicans are having trouble repealing Obamacare. Again, it is no mystery...many have decided the repeal should coincide with the replace. The repeal is settled, the replace is being debated.

[westend1]

10 minutes ago, Englebert said:

And that is what the fight is about...what to include in the new Government run monstrosity. And yes, it is not a mystery. You keep implying that the Republicans are having trouble repealing Obamacare. Again, it is no mystery...many have decided the repeal should coincide with the replace. The repeal is settled, the replace is being debated.

When did all this replacement talk start?  Trump ran on a repeal

[Englebert]

8 minutes ago, westend1 said:

When did all this replacement talk start?  Trump ran on a repeal

No, Trump started early in campaign saying repeal and replace. He didn't harp on the replace much until late in the campaign. Early in the campaign he would bash Obamacare heavily then say he would repeal and replace without giving any details on the replacement. It pissed me off to no end when he started this. He was never my first choice, and this was the single biggest reason (the replace part) I did not want him to win the GOP nomination.

[westend1]

2 minutes ago, Englebert said:

No, Trump started early in campaign saying repeal and replace. He didn't harp on the replace much until late in the campaign. Early in the campaign he would bash Obamacare heavily then say he would repeal and replace. It pissed me off to no end when he started this. He was never my first choice, and this was the single biggest reason (the replace part) I did not want him to win the GOP nomination.

Well, at least we proved that you and I can actually discuss something

[Englebert]

3 minutes ago, westend1 said:

Well, at least we proved that you and I can actually discuss something

I kept waiting for you to throw at shot at me so I could throw one back.

I started a poll on this. I'm curious to see if that topic will stay civil. Considering this is a huge issue that affects every single one of us, I'm hoping everyone will take it a little more serious.

[baddog]

10 minutes ago, Englebert said:

And that is what the fight is about...what to include in the new Government run monstrosity. And yes, it is not a mystery. You keep implying that the Republicans are having trouble repealing Obamacare. Again, it is no mystery...many have decided the repeal should coincide with the replace. The repeal is settled, the replace is being debated.

Wasn't there some attachments to Obamacare that had absolutely nothing to do with health care, such as gun control? Lots of "hidden" features?

[Englebert]

3 minutes ago, baddog said:

Wasn't there some attachments to Obamacare that had absolutely nothing to do with health care, such as gun control? Lots of "hidden" features?

I vaguely recall something about doctors being required to ask if you own a gun during your doctor visit...or maybe encouraging doctors to ask that question. I can't remember. There was so much I hated about the law I can't remember exactly.

[Englebert]

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[BLUEDOVE3]

On 3/23/2017 at 3:22 PM, Englebert said:

And that is what the fight is about...what to include in the new Government run monstrosity. And yes, it is not a mystery. You keep implying that the Republicans are having trouble repealing Obamacare. Again, it is no mystery...many have decided the repeal should coincide with the replace. The repeal is settled, the replace is being debated.

OMG! No wonder yall can't get nothing done. Are you truly understanding what you are writing? You guys have made me use my ObamaCare more than ever. 

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[Hagar]

On March 23, 2017 at 3:20 PM, LumRaiderFan said:

We have too many Republicans that may as well be Democrats...conservative Republicans are a minority these days, and it's showing big time in this.

One thing about the Dems, they stay in lockstep no matter how dumb the idea may be...especially if it's a vote on growing gov.

"They stay in lockstep" - Abosolutely!   Imo, they don't have a choice.  The leadership of the party makes the decision, and you follow it, or else (or else implying a nighttime visit from the Clinton's guardians).  The Repubs have had to become almost as bad, but as the HC reform Bill shows, there's still a small amount of individual thought.

I see this situation as a hugh cost savings area.  If both parties are going to follow the leadership, we can do away with all but 1 each in the HoR & 1 each in the Senate.  In the elections, instead of voting for a person in congress, simply vote D or R.  And currently, the R Sen. would have a 52% vote & the D Sen. a 48% vote.  Just think of the savings in staff, office space, salary, medical, and perks (which must be quite substantial since most of them leave millionaires).  Just thinking outside the box  

[mat]

It would be totally irresponsible to repeal Obamacare without replacing it with something. I think I heard at some point they were trying to pass it without being able to modify it after approval. As usual the GOP shoots themselves in the foot. This is a victory for the dems without them having to do anything.

[baddog]

What did they win?

[Reagan]

2 hours ago, mat said:

It would be totally irresponsible to repeal Obamacare without replacing it with something. I think I heard at some point they were trying to pass it without being able to modify it after approval. As usual the GOP shoots themselves in the foot. This is a victory for the dems without them having to do anything.

Why would repealing a disaster be irresponsible?  It's imploding!  I'll be questioning my Representatives about why we were only concerned with replacing and not repealing this disaster. 

[Englebert]

12 hours ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

OMG! No wonder yall can't get nothing done. Are you truly understanding what you are writing? You guys have made me use my ObamaCare more than ever. 

Just some more of your fake outrage? I understand perfectly what I'm writing, but I have no clue as to what you are writing.

[LumRaiderFan]

14 hours ago, mat said:

It would be totally irresponsible to repeal Obamacare without replacing it with something. I think I heard at some point they were trying to pass it without being able to modify it after approval. As usual the GOP shoots themselves in the foot. This is a victory for the dems without them having to do anything.

Why?

[mat]

On ‎3‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 10:41 AM, Reagan said:

Why would repealing a disaster be irresponsible?  It's imploding!  I'll be questioning my Representatives about why we were only concerned with replacing and not repealing this disaster. 

Because health care costs were a disaster before Obamacare and the GOP sat back with no solutions or interest in improvement. The fact that Obamacare (the disaster that it is) has been in place for years has created new cultures and scenarios that should be addressed before just pulling the rug out from under many Americans. 

[baddog]

33 minutes ago, mat said:

Because health care costs were a disaster before Obamacare and the GOP sat back with no solutions or interest in improvement. The fact that Obamacare (the disaster that it is) has been in place for years has created new cultures and scenarios that should be addressed before just pulling the rug out from under many Americans. 

Nobody, and I mean nobody gave any consideration to pulling the rug out from under me and my healthcare coverage. Why should I give a damn about the people who helped it happen? No one cared if I suffered or that my insurance went in the toilet just so RNs could lie and get Obamacare for a price. Why should a RN be eligible for Obamacare? System abuse is rampant and at the cost of American workers. 

[BS Wildcats]

1 hour ago, mat said:

Because health care costs were a disaster before Obamacare and the GOP sat back with no solutions or interest in improvement. The fact that Obamacare (the disaster that it is) has been in place for years has created new cultures and scenarios that should be addressed before just pulling the rug out from under many Americans. 

And they are no better now.  They have risen ever since the Socialist party deemed Obamacare law.