A Simple Health Care Plan.

[Reagan]

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[nappyroots]

People upset about the aca that are not concerned with medical and pharmaceutical prices are ignorant.  The pharmaceutical companies have been giving big payoff money to republican and democratic politicians for a long time. A bottle of pills that the Canadian pay $5 for, may cost $400 in the USA due to these no good sellout muth......politicians 

[LumRaiderFan]

13 hours ago, nappyroots said:

People upset about the aca that are not concerned with medical and pharmaceutical prices are ignorant.  The pharmaceutical companies have been giving big payoff money to republican and democratic politicians for a long time. A bottle of pills that the Canadian pay $5 for, may cost $400 in the USA due to these no good sellout muth......politicians 

So what's your fix?

You want the crooked politicians to reign in the big bad drug companies...what's the fix?

What would you do about a $5.00 unregulated drug brought into the country that kills folks because it wasn't tested?

You would be the first one screaming about it...come on, what's your fix?

[Hagar]

Ann's plan sounds good to me.

[Big girl]

On 4/2/2017 at 10:21 PM, REBgp said:

Ann's plan sounds good to me.

Really? Why?

[Englebert]

43 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Really? Why?

This question coming from someone who thinks Obamacare is working out nicely. Now that deserves your obligatory "smh".

[new tobie]

On 4/2/2017 at 10:18 PM, LumRaiderFan said:

So what's your fix?

You want the crooked politicians to reign in the big bad drug companies...what's the fix?

What would you do about a $5.00 unregulated drug brought into the country that kills folks because it wasn't tested?

You would be the first one screaming about it...come on, what's your fix?

Overpriced drugs that are used for cancer and other chronic illnesses are way overpriced and politicians ignore it because they are being paid off. If they wanted to help working folks and the elderly, fix the healthcare system, stop supported big healthcare business. be a hero for the people FIX healthcare  problems. 

[Englebert]

56 minutes ago, new tobie said:

Overpriced drugs that are used for cancer and other chronic illnesses are way overpriced and politicians ignore it because they are being paid off. If they wanted to help working folks and the elderly, fix the healthcare system, stop supported big healthcare business. be a hero for the people FIX healthcare  problems. 

I've asked you this before and you conveniently ignored my question. I'll try again. Why, I don't know because you will spout this crap again even after refusing to answer the question.

How much do pharmaceutical companies spend on R&D? Have you ever did any research on a particular drug to see what the profit margin is? Don't forget to factor in the salaries of the researchers, the equipment and overhead costs, the drug development, the extensive testing for FDA approval, the marketing costs, and especially don't forget the health insurance costs under Obamacare for all of the employees. Now let's say the government starts limiting the profits on drugs. How many investors will invest on new drugs? Would you be willing to invest your money on something that costs millions to develop but cannot receive even an equal return on your investment? And once you develop a new drug, should you be able to recoup your investment money before another company steals your idea and creates a generic drug? Do you think research on new drugs will be severely damaged by legislation setting a price limit on drugs? Or do just like to parrot what your Liberal leaders tell you to believe?

[LumRaiderFan]

54 minutes ago, new tobie said:

Overpriced drugs that are used for cancer and other chronic illnesses are way overpriced and politicians ignore it because they are being paid off. If they wanted to help working folks and the elderly, fix the healthcare system, stop supported big healthcare business. be a hero for the people FIX healthcare  problems. 

Be a hero and fix it how...Obamacare???

You seem to think the fed gov, and only the fed gov, can be the hero and "fix" the healthcare system (that wasn't broke).

Guess what, when they stepped in to "fix" the healthcare system, my coverage got worse and my premiums went up.

No thanks, that kind of hero and help, I can do without.

[stevenash]

Whenever the federal government gets involved, prices go up and quality declines. 

[Hagar]

1 hour ago, Englebert said:

I've asked you this before and you conveniently ignored my question. I'll try again. Why, I don't know because you will spout this crap again even after refusing to answer the question.

How much do pharmaceutical companies spend on R&D? Have you ever did any research on a particular drug to see what the profit margin is? Don't forget to factor in the salaries of the researchers, the equipment and overhead costs, the drug development, the extensive testing for FDA approval, the marketing costs, and especially don't forget the health insurance costs under Obamacare for all of the employees. Now let's say the government starts limiting the profits on drugs. How many investors will invest on new drugs? Would you be willing to invest your money on something that costs millions to develop but cannot receive even an equal return on your investment? And once you develop a new drug, should you be able to recoup your investment money before another company steals your idea and creates a generic drug? Do you think research on new drugs will be severely damaged by legislation setting a price limit on drugs? Or do just like to parrot what your Liberal leaders tell you to believe?

And I'd add a few other bits of info for new tobie.  I looked up the cost for a new drug - 800 Million.  And then you have the cost on many others that failed, from phase 1 to Approval.  Everyone brings up Canada.  I'll bet the vast majority of what folks get from Canada are generic drugs that they didn't have to develop.  A good example of why we pay those prices is antibiotics.  The wonder drug.  Worked great for so many years, but now the bugs have adapted and are getting more resistant.  Some are totally resistant.  Now when you say "wonder drug", we wonder will we develop something that will once again whip the bugs.  If not, someday, in the not so distant future, humanity will be digging mass graves with bulldozers.

[Hagar]

5 hours ago, Big girl said:

Really? Why?

Free market.  Did you read the article?

[stevenash]

The dems truly believe that they are smarter and more efficient than the collective wisdom of the free market

[new tobie]

3 hours ago, stevenash said:

Whenever the federal government gets involved, prices go up and quality declines. 

Prices of medication and healthcare services were already out of control, a person with pre-existing conditions would pay higher insurance premiums on top of the high prices. Pubs control all branches of government. Repeal and stop your cronies from making record profits on healthcare.

[Englebert]

2 hours ago, new tobie said:

Prices of medication and healthcare services were already out of control, a person with pre-existing conditions would pay higher insurance premiums on top of the high prices. Pubs control all branches of government. Repeal and stop your cronies from making record profits on healthcare.

Who is going to spend the money on R&D and the manufacture of new drugs if they can't make a profit? I noticed you ignored mine and REBgp's post on this...which were replies to your post. Why don't you invest in healthcare so you can make and sell your drugs at a negative profit of your manufacturing costs. What? You won't do it? Nobody else would either, causing the destruction of our whole healthcare system. What solution can you offer?

[Hagar]

2 hours ago, Englebert said:

Who is going to spend the money on R&D and the manufacture of new drugs if they can't make a profit? I noticed you ignored mine and REBgp's post on this...which were replies to your post. Why don't you invest in healthcare so you can make and sell your drugs at a negative profit of your manufacturing costs. What? You won't do it? Nobody else would either, causing the destruction of our whole healthcare system. What solution can you offer?

Give a person priceless insight into the cost of medicine, and I think it's ignored, or incomprehensible, even with these elementary explanations..  Uncle lol  

[new tobie]

19 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Be a hero and fix it how...Obamacare???

You seem to think the fed gov, and only the fed gov, can be the hero and "fix" the healthcare system (that wasn't broke).

Guess what, when they stepped in to "fix" the healthcare system, my coverage got worse and my premiums went up.

No thanks, that kind of hero and help, I can do without.

You must have never been seriously ill, if you believe the health care system in the united states doesn't need attention. If you google countries with the best Healthcare systems, the United States doesn't make the top ten.

[new tobie]

19 hours ago, stevenash said:

Whenever the federal government gets involved, prices go up and quality declines. 

The pubs control all gov. So why not just repeal. If the government needs to stay out of Healthcare.

[new tobie]

13 hours ago, Englebert said:

Who is going to spend the money on R&D and the manufacture of new drugs if they can't make a profit? I noticed you ignored mine and REBgp's post on this...which were replies to your post. Why don't you invest in healthcare so you can make and sell your drugs at a negative profit of your manufacturing costs. What? You won't do it? Nobody else would either, causing the destruction of our whole healthcare system. What solution can you offer?

The Healthcare industry wants to sell medication period. Someone finds a cure, would probably get cement shoes.

[BS Wildcats]

8 minutes ago, new tobie said:

You must have never been seriously ill, if you believe the health care system in the united states doesn't need attention. If you google countries with the best Healthcare systems, the United States doesn't make the top ten.

Then why do so many come to the US for surgery and treatment?

[BS Wildcats]

3 minutes ago, new tobie said:

The Healthcare industry wants to sell medication period.

This we can agree on.  If there were ever a cure discovered for cancer, the public would never know.  There is to much $ involved, jmo.

[new tobie]

A person works all of his or her life, becomes seriously ill and can't afford the medication and/or treatment. Thats my argument. Paul Ryan is trying to cut pre-existing conditions out of the aca as we speak. Then he wants to screw with MY SSA.

[Reagan]

Repeal would drastically reduce deficit!  Must be done!

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[new tobie]

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 the only part of the Affordable Care Act that i was concerned with. The republicans care more about erasing Obamacare than they do about people. Getting rid of the pre-existing clause is a bummer for pre-existing condition patients. 

[Englebert]

1 hour ago, new tobie said:

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 the only part of the Affordable Care Act that i was concerned with. The republicans care more about erasing Obamacare than they do about people. Getting rid of the pre-existing clause is a bummer for pre-existing condition patients. 

Don't try to project your hate on Republicans. Most aren't as cynical as you. If you want examples of people that don't care about other people and are full of hate, just pick out any Liberal to analyze. You know nothing about Republicans. Spout your negative stereotypes elsewhere. It's getting old and tiresome. On second thought, your feeble rants are what keep this board entertaining. Please continue.