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2 hours ago, BS Wildcats said:

The Libs what any mention of anything religion related removed from everyday life.  The Dims voted to remove the mention of God from their platform at the convention.  Big girl, new tobie, bluedove, westend, and the other leftist wingnuts support a wonderful party. Congrats!

Well they support abortion .....so why would they want GOD to be in our everyday life.

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5 hours ago, Kountzer said:

If separation of church and state is totally done away with in this country, and it is very close to happening, we will see tyranny, persecution and strife like never before.   Thousands of years of history bear this out.  

You say some really crazy and at times downright idiotic things but I let me go by as to not take up too much time. Sometimes however........

Tyranny? Persecution? Strife?

First a little history. School prayer was allowed in this country under the US Constitution until 1962 in Engel v. Vitale when the Supreme Court ruled that saying a nondenominational prayer before school violated the First Amendment under freedom of religion or what is called the establishment clause. Up until 1962 and almost 200 years of history in this country, how much tyranny happened? How much strife? 

I am not knocking the ruling but the belief that we suffered strife and tyranny because a person said a prayer. And what was the prayer that was ruled on? Here is the tyrannical prayer..... "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and beg Thy blessings upon us, our teachers, and our country.". 

It didn't acknowledge which god. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Greek mythology? Please bless our country. Yep, until 1962 that was legal. For almost 200 years we suffered due to that.

Up until the year 2000 it was legal for student led prayer at functions like high school football games when a case from right down the road in Santa Fe, TX had their student policy banned by the high court. So more than 200 years this time, we suffered strife, tyranny and persecution because prayers were said over the loud speaker. Mind you, it is still legal to pray but it can't be done over the school (government owned) public address system. Prayer has not and cannot constitutionally be banned. The only prohibition is over whose system (taxpayer's money) it is said with as a matter of the First Amendment. I am not even sure how we survived as a country due to football game prayers. Horrible........

Back to your nonsensical rants. I will not likely respond to them as being too obvious to require a response. Even for you the claims of tyranny and strife seems over the top.....

 

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5 hours ago, Kountzer said:

If separation of church and state is totally done away with in this country, and it is very close to happening, we will see tyranny, persecution and strife like never before.   Thousands of years of history bear this out.  

By the way, the US Constitution hasn't been in effect for thousands of years. 

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1 hour ago, tvc184 said:

You say some really crazy and at times downright idiotic things but I let me go by as to not take up too much time. Sometimes however........

Tyranny? Persecution? Strife?

First a little history. School prayer was allowed in this country under the US Constitution until 1962 in Engel v. Vitale when the Supreme Court ruled that saying a nondenominational prayer before school violated the First Amendment under freedom of religion or what is called the establishment clause. Up until 1962 and almost 200 years of history in this country, how much tyranny happened? How much strife? 

I am not knocking the ruling but the belief that we suffered strife and tyranny because a person said a prayer. And what was the prayer that was ruled on? Here is the tyrannical prayer..... "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and beg Thy blessings upon us, our teachers, and our country.". 

It didn't acknowledge which god. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Greek mythology? Please bless our country. Yep, until 1962 that was legal. For almost 200 years we suffered due to that.

Up until the year 2000 it was legal for student led prayer at functions like high school football games when a case from right down the road in Santa Fe, TX had their student policy banned by the high court. So more than 200 years this time, we suffered strife, tyranny and persecution because prayers were said over the loud speaker. Mind you, it is still legal to pray but it can't be done over the school (government owned) public address system. Prayer has not and cannot constitutionally be banned. The only prohibition is over whose system (taxpayer's money) it is said with as a matter of the First Amendment. I am not even sure how we survived as a country due to football game prayers. Horrible........

Back to your nonsensical rants. I will not likely respond to them as being too obvious to require a response. Even for you the claims of tyranny and strife seems over the top.....

 

We had a Bible class in high school in the 60s/70s. Just some food for thought. I also think that the separation of church and state is somewhat misinterpreted. I think our forefathers ( what brilliant visionaries) wanted to make sure there was freedom of religion, but certainly not from religion. I could be wrong. 

The leaders we have today wouldn't make a pimple on those guy's arses.

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On May 19, 2017 at 10:30 AM, baddog said:

I must be missing something here....

This is the hidden content, please

I don't think you're missing anything.  They insist on removing any reference to a Judeo-Christian God.  Others are okay, especially their God Marxism.  The fact that they fear a Judeo-Christian God so much, indicates their subconscious belief.  I guess that's what a psychologist would call a paradox.  

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58 minutes ago, Kountzer said:

Church / state issues started way before the USA or the us constitution.

Just curious Kountzer, since you've professed many times to be a Christian, do you support the Democratic Party, which repeatedly booed God at their convention?

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8 hours ago, tvc184 said:

You say some really crazy and at times downright idiotic things but I let me go by as to not take up too much time. Sometimes however........

Tyranny? Persecution? Strife?

First a little history. School prayer was allowed in this country under the US Constitution until 1962 in Engel v. Vitale when the Supreme Court ruled that saying a nondenominational prayer before school violated the First Amendment under freedom of religion or what is called the establishment clause. Up until 1962 and almost 200 years of history in this country, how much tyranny happened? How much strife? 

I am not knocking the ruling but the belief that we suffered strife and tyranny because a person said a prayer. And what was the prayer that was ruled on? Here is the tyrannical prayer..... "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and beg Thy blessings upon us, our teachers, and our country.". 

It didn't acknowledge which god. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Greek mythology? Please bless our country. Yep, until 1962 that was legal. For almost 200 years we suffered due to that.

Up until the year 2000 it was legal for student led prayer at functions like high school football games when a case from right down the road in Santa Fe, TX had their student policy banned by the high court. So more than 200 years this time, we suffered strife, tyranny and persecution because prayers were said over the loud speaker. Mind you, it is still legal to pray but it can't be done over the school (government owned) public address system. Prayer has not and cannot constitutionally be banned. The only prohibition is over whose system (taxpayer's money) it is said with as a matter of the First Amendment. I am not even sure how we survived as a country due to football game prayers. Horrible........

Back to your nonsensical rants. I will not likely respond to them as being too obvious to require a response. Even for you the claims of tyranny and strife seems over the top.....

 

The reason why those things were ruled unconstitutional was because they were done by public (that means run by the government) schools, which is a violation of the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment. If you wanted your kids to be required to pray in school and take Bible classes, you could just fork over some money and take them to a private school like Kelly, Legacy, or OCC, but that's none of my business.

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4 minutes ago, pdawg119 said:

The reason why those things were ruled unconstitutional was because they were done by public (that means run by the government) schools, which is a violation of the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment. If you wanted your kids to be required to pray in school and take Bible classes, you could just fork over some money and take them to a private school like Kelly, Legacy, or OCC, but that's none of my business.

Forgot one thing. Christianity can be taught in public schools, BUT it must be taught alongside other religions. This is usually done in high schools during Freshman Geography or Sophomore World History classes, and is taught alongside Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and sometimes, Sikhism, Confucianism, Shinto, and Daoism.

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23 minutes ago, REBgp said:

Just curious Kountzer, since you've professed many times to be a Christian, do you support the Democratic Party, which repeatedly booed God at their convention?

Or go with the party that elected guy who said 'just grab 'em by the p#$y.

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6 minutes ago, Kountzer said:

Or go with the party that elected guy who said 'just grab 'em by the p#$y.

I see you avoided the question.  So to you, "just grab'em by the p#$$y, is more offensive than boo'ing God?  And remember, only one man said "grab'em", but thousands booed God.  The majority of the Dem Party has no use for God.  As a Christian myself, I can have no use for that Party.

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I am almost apolitical, believe it or not.  I do vote though.  I don't think there is a human solution to this country's problems, much less the world's problems.  So when you ask me if I am democrat or republican...I don't know.  I don't see much good in either.  

I know a lot of christian democrats, scores.  If you travel and visit adventist churches in conservative areas, like the woodlands, there are more republicans.  Most of them are focused on church and bible prophecy and will tell you basically the same thing from the right side of the ledger.

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13 hours ago, Kountzer said:

Or go with the party that elected guy who said 'just grab 'em by the p#$y.

Don't understand why the republicans think they are the party of christianity when they do many unchristian like things. especialy the current President. Having Jeff Sessions and Steve Bannon in the cabinet is one example. 

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29 minutes ago, nappyroots said:

Don't understand why the republicans think they are the party of christianity when they do many unchristian like things. especialy the current President. Having Jeff Sessions and Steve Bannon in the cabinet is one example. 

Is that like the Liberals saying they are the party of all-inclusiveness, but only if you belong to one of our accepted groups.

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