Come Clean President Trump

[Englebert]

28 minutes ago, new tobie said:

I think the ammonia from all the cat urine gets to Englebert some times

Wow, after the embarrassment six burg went through with his cat fail, you want to jump on that folly? Luckily the 1st graders are getting their laugh today. It's not often kids that young get to witness adults acting more immature than them. I bet you have a bald spot on the top of your head where people pat you when saying "bless his little heart".

[77]

I agree about pharma companies and the high cost but my insurance and cost of my meds went up under previous admin. so i am ready to try a new direction.

 

[baddog]

32 minutes ago, new tobie said:

I don't care about who can put money in ,as much as who can take it  out. When a bottle of medicine cost $600, we can only count on our government to put big pharmaceutical in check, instead our politicians take big checks from these companies .  An elderly person thats on a fixed income may need these meds and can't afford it. Its not fair for them. i don't care about helping free loaders. I do xare about the poor that have worked all of their lives and the working poor.

You blame this on Trump? Don't you think he inherited all of this? After all, he just became a politician. 

This thread is about coming clean. Do you really think if there was any proof of any of the unlimited number of charges Trump has had leveled against him in such a short time, that at least one would have turned up something? 

You worry about the politicians taking your money yet you never questioned Obama's $80 billion "clean technology" scam. Ask Al Gore how much he has pocketed off the biggest scam ever, known as climate change. See, you really don't care or you would have complained. Simple as that. You simply hate Trump and it will continue to cloud your judgment.

[Englebert]

45 minutes ago, new tobie said:

I don't care about who can put money in ,as much as who can take it  out. When a bottle of medicine cost $600, we can only count on our government to put big pharmaceutical in check, instead our politicians take big checks from these companies .  An elderly person thats on a fixed income may need these meds and can't afford it. Its not fair for them. i don't care about helping free loaders. I do xare about the poor that have worked all of their lives and the working poor.

Do you have any clue as to how much money was spent on R&D and manufacturing costs to make that drug? Do you think pharmaceutical companies should work for free, or even take huge losses so that everyone can have access to a product that they developed? Do you think investors would continue to invest in companies that do not show a profit? And when investors quit investing, do you think pharmaceutical companies will continue to spend money they don't have? And when pharmaceutical companies go out of business, who will make the life-saving drugs? You haven't put much thought into your rationale have you.  

[stevenash]

47 minutes ago, Englebert said:

Do you have any clue as to how much money was spent on R&D and manufacturing costs to make that drug? Do you think pharmaceutical companies should work for free, or even take huge losses so that everyone can have access to a product that they developed? Do you think investors would continue to invest in companies that do not show a profit? And when investors quit investing, do you think pharmaceutical companies will continue to spend money they don't have? And when pharmaceutical companies go out of business, who will make the life-saving drugs? You haven't put much thought into your rationale have you.  

I am sure he believes that the government should regulate what companies can charge for meds.  Or, better yet, they should nationalize the drug companies which, in his mind, will make things more "fair".

[LumRaiderFan]

2 hours ago, new tobie said:

I don't care about who can put money in ,as much as who can take it  out. When a bottle of medicine cost $600, we can only count on our government to put big pharmaceutical in check, instead our politicians take big checks from these companies .  An elderly person thats on a fixed income may need these meds and can't afford it. Its not fair for them. i don't care about helping free loaders. I do xare about the poor that have worked all of their lives and the working poor.

It's sad that so many people really believe this...that the gov is the only fix.

Do you really think that the gov will actually make costs go down...I'll answer...NO!

The will simply take more from one group and take less from another and problem solved...the takers are paying less.

Problem is, that isn't sustainable...eventually the takers  will over burden the makers.

[stevenash]

12 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

It's sad that so many people really believe this...that the gov is the only fix.

Do you really think that the gov will actually make costs go down...I'll answer...NO!

The will simply take more from one group and take less from another and problem solved...the takers are paying less.

Problem is, that isn't sustainable...eventually the takers  will over burden the makers.

 

[stevenash]

The left is totally oblivious to this fact.

[1989NDN]

16 hours ago, six burg said:

Not sure why my post is connected to a post from Sixburg 16 hours ago, maybe I accidentally hit a button I shouldn't have.  My apologies to Sixburg.

My response is directed at the discussion of big pharma's rising prices.

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16 hours ago, six burg said:

I understand the right-wingers wanting to keep government out of the marketplace.  However, as a society, we need to find a way to make medications accessible and affordable for the elderly, working class, and children.  Let's start with reducing CEO compensation over at big pharma, i.e., the guys who have absolutely nothing to do with R&D and manufacturing.  $10M - $20M/year for executives, when shareholder value remains flat, is not right.  Let's get rid of that, keep funding R&D, and make access and affordability a priority.  It's a balancing act; it can be done.  We need to find a sensible solution and consider all POV, e.g., free market principles and doing what is right for our fellow human beings.

Go Indians.  Peace.

[LumRaiderFan]

46 minutes ago, 1989NDN said:

 

46 minutes ago, 1989NDN said:

I understand the right-wingers wanting to keep government out of the marketplace.  However, as a society, we need to find a way to make medications accessible and affordable for the elderly, working class, and children.  Let's start with reducing CEO compensation over at big pharma, i.e., the guys who have absolutely nothing to do with R&D and manufacturing.  $10M - $20M/year for executives, when shareholder value remains flat, is not right.  Let's get rid of that, keep funding R&D, and make access and affordability a priority.  It's a balancing act; it can be done.  We need to find a sensible solution and consider all POV, e.g., free market principles and doing what is right for our fellow human beings.

Go Indians.  Peace.

And who exactly should decide how much these CEOs should make...let me guess.

Should this also extend to CEOs of auto manufactures...everyone needs a car, right?

No thanks, I don't want to go down that socialist road.

 

[stevenash]

If you reduce the CEO pay to zero, it would have little, if any impact on the price of the product.

[LumRaiderFan]

1 hour ago, stevenash said:

If you reduce the CEO pay to zero, it would have little, if any impact on the price of the product.

Exactly right...but somehow, lowering their salary will make someone's life better...smh.

Amazes me that this is what many folks zero in on.

 

[new tobie]

4 hours ago, 77 said:

I agree about pharma companies and the high cost but my insurance and cost of my meds went up under previous admin. so i am ready to try a new direction.

 

My prices have been going up for 20 years.

[stevenash]

4 minutes ago, new tobie said:

My prices have been going up for 20 years.

As have your prices for milk,cars, housing, clothes, electricity, etc.etc.etc.

[stevenash]

7 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Exactly right...but somehow, lowering their salary will make someone's life better...smh.

Amazes me that this is what many folks zero in on.

 

Those who zero in on that linger in the "touchy feely" world rather than in the practical world.

[1989NDN]

1 hour ago, stevenash said:

If you reduce the CEO pay to zero, it would have little, if any impact on the price of the product.

Do you have cites to peer-reviewed literature to support that opinion?  Any studies to support that executive pay based on shareholder value and social consciousness would not affect price structure?  Maybe they exist, maybe they don't.  I'm not arguing for socialism.  It's an argument for finding a place in this world for both corporate profit and social consciousness to co-exist.  I think we need to examine all theories.  We are an advanced society and creating access and affordability of medical care and medicine should be on the radar screen of our priorities.  The value of life matters...for those that are elderly, poor, disabled, children, on death row, and inside a woman's uterus.  All life matters.  Surely that concept can co-exist with corporate profit.

Go Indians.  Peace.

 

 

[LumRaiderFan]

13 minutes ago, 1989NDN said:

Do you have cites to peer-reviewed literature to support that opinion?  Any studies to support that executive pay based on shareholder value and social consciousness would not affect price structure?  Maybe they exist, maybe they don't.  I'm not arguing for socialism.  It's an argument for finding a place in this world for both corporate profit and social consciousness to co-exist.  I think we need to examine all theories.  We are an advanced society and creating access and affordability of medical care and medicine should be on the radar screen of our priorities.  The value of life matters...for those that are elderly, poor, disabled, children, on death row, and inside a woman's uterus.  All life matters.  Surely that concept can co-exist with corporate profit.

Go Indians.  Peace.

 

 

It already does...corporate profit is no threat to quality of life.

In fact, it improves it...more profit, more expansion, more jobs.

[new tobie]

9 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

It already does...corporate profit is no threat to quality of life.

In fact, it improves it...more profit, more expansion, more jobs.

So all price increases are ok! Entergy should charge as much as they like. We get hot water and air condition in return!

[LumRaiderFan]

6 minutes ago, new tobie said:

So all price increases are ok! Entergy should charge as much as they like. We get hot water and air condition in return!

How in the world did you get THAT out of what I said...lol.

[Englebert]

5 minutes ago, new tobie said:

So all price increases are ok! Entergy should charge as much as they like. We get hot water and air condition in return!

Entergy should be able to charge what they want. Then a competitor can swoop in, undercut their prices, and either drive Entergy's prices down or put Entergy out of business. It is a simple concept called Capitalism.

[stevenash]

14 minutes ago, new tobie said:

So all price increases are ok! Entergy should charge as much as they like. We get hot water and air condition in return!

When gasoline was $4 per gallon, I am sure you felt that something ought to be done about it.  Well, something was done.  Market forces stepped in and reduced the prices and considerably more effectively than some government agency could have achieved.  If the price of meat gets too high, people will stop buying it which will, in turn, lead to an oversupply, which will cause prices to fall.  When the government tries to interfere with that process is when things get crazy as well documented by Obamacare.

[stevenash]

49 minutes ago, 1989NDN said:

Do you have cites to peer-reviewed literature to support that opinion?  Any studies to support that executive pay based on shareholder value and social consciousness would not affect price structure?  Maybe they exist, maybe they don't.  I'm not arguing for socialism.  It's an argument for finding a place in this world for both corporate profit and social consciousness to co-exist.  I think we need to examine all theories.  We are an advanced society and creating access and affordability of medical care and medicine should be on the radar screen of our priorities.  The value of life matters...for those that are elderly, poor, disabled, children, on death row, and inside a woman's uterus.  All life matters.  Surely that concept can co-exist with corporate profit.

Go Indians.  Peace.

 

 

I don't know why it can't - I believe it has for more than a hundred years.

[new tobie]

5 hours ago, baddog said:

You blame this on Trump? Don't you think he inherited all of this? After all, he just became a politician. 

This thread is about coming clean. Do you really think if there was any proof of any of the unlimited number of charges Trump has had leveled against him in such a short time, that at least one would have turned up something? 

You worry about the politicians taking your money yet you never questioned Obama's $80 billion "clean technology" scam. Ask Al Gore how much he has pocketed off the biggest scam ever, known as climate change. See, you really don't care or you would have complained. Simple as that. You simply hate Trump and it will continue to cloud your judgment.

Can you find anywhere in my statement where I blamed drug prices on trump. I pay high drug prices all of the time. My concern is for the working poor, children and the folks that have worked hard all of their lives and now can't afford them. i repeat myself so that you know I don't condone so called (free stuff)

[stevenash]

4 minutes ago, new tobie said:

Can you find anywhere in my statement where I blamed drug prices on trump. I pay high drug prices all of the time. My concern is for the working poor, children and the folks that have worked hard all of their lives and now can't afford them.

Drug prices have been high all of my life.  Its one of the reasons I have diligently pursued my profession so as to earn enough money to be able to provide medical care for me and my family.  I am one of those "idiots" who was taught that providing medical care for my family was my responsibility instead of the governments.  I would also suggest to you that the more a company earns, the more it can spend on research and development and, resultantly, provide more products that improve and extend the lives of the population.   I once again refer to British Petroleum, who had very deep pockets( yes, an evil and greedy energy company that folks like you contend "doesn't care about the little guy") and was able to pay out the required damages for the deepwater Horizon oil spill debacle instead of some taxpayer funded bailout.

[new tobie]

3 hours ago, stevenash said:

As have your prices for milk,cars, housing, clothes, electricity, etc.etc.etc.

I don't have to buy cars, houses and milk. Medicine is a neccesity. And the price of beans and rice haven'nt changed much.