Do You Want Single Payer Healthcare?

[Hagar]

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You remember the "death panels" everyone on the left scoffed at?  Well this English 11 month old is a victim of those panels.  The link above reminds us we have our own, it's the IPBA, 15 unelected bureaucrats who'll decide who gets healthcare and who doesn't, like little Charlie in England.  And if not eliminated by Aug 15, they will rule forever.  And if we get Single Payer, they'll have every American by the nads.  The Govt already makes life and death decisions via Medicare for the elderly.  I've seen it in my family.

If this concerns you, you have every right to be.  If you're laughing, you're a brainwashed idiot.  Take it from an old timer that sees this big picture plain as day.  You ain't seen bad yet, but it's coming.

[BS Wildcats]

7 hours ago, REBgp said:

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You remember the "death panels" everyone on the left scoffed at?  Well this English 11 month old is a victim of those panels.  The link above reminds us we have our own, it's the IPBA, 15 unelected bureaucrats who'll decide who gets healthcare and who doesn't, like little Charlie in England.  And if not eliminated by Aug 15, they will rule forever.  And if we get Single Payer, they'll have every American by the nads.  The Govt already makes life and death decisions via Medicare for the elderly.  I've seen it in my family.

If this concerns you, you have every right to be.  If you're laughing, you're a brainwashed idiot.  Take it from an old timer that sees this big picture plain as day.  You ain't seen bad yet, but it's coming.

Have seen it in my family as well, when it comes to life and death situations.  But if you believe what the all knowing big girl says, you scoff at this.  She must have never had to deal with it.  On the other hand, she is an RN.

[baddog]

2 hours ago, BS Wildcats said:

Have seen it in my family as well, when it comes to life and death situations.  But if you believe what the all knowing big girl says, you scoff at this.  She must have never had to deal with it.  On the other hand, she is an RN.

She's registered alright. Not sure it's as a nurse.

[new tobie]

Trump treats his blue collar  employees like sh...and his benefits suck. 

[Reagan]

2 hours ago, new tobie said:

Trump treats his blue collar  employees like sh...and his benefits suck. 

Let's see:  You love the jobs destroyers (the government) but yet you hate the job creators (the private sector).  Seems a bit upside down to me.

[Englebert]

2 hours ago, new tobie said:

Trump treats his blue collar  employees like sh...and his benefits suck. 

He employs many people, and many minorities, that do not complain about having a good job with benefits. But I guess we should take the word of a Liberal sheeple parroting what has been indoctrinated into his brain. Yeah right. A normal person would back up his claims, but that would go well beyond just the entertainment value we've come to expect from your posts.

[stevenash]

I might add that if his employment methods were as bad as Tobie portrays, he would have no employees.  I recently spoke to a maid in a Vegas hotel who told me she has a second job at the Trump Hotel in Vegas and it has better pay/benefits than the major casino/hotel who employs her.

[Hagar]

More proof that the Govt can't handle healthcare.  Folks on Govt plan - fewer Doctors, longer waits, less medical care.

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[Hagar]

And if you really want Single Payer healthcare, you probably shouldn't read the rest of this. The link posted below for VA deaths is from 2015. The number is three-hundred-thousand that died, waiting on healthcare. Based on that, who in his/her right mind would want single payer healthcare?

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[1989NDN]

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[BS Wildcats]

2 hours ago, stevenash said:

I might add that if his employment methods were as bad as Tobie portrays, he would have no employees.  I recently spoke to a maid in a Vegas hotel who told me she has a second job at the Trump Hotel in Vegas and it has better pay/benefits than the major casino/hotel who employs her.

So, in essence, tobie has no clue about which he spews.  Then, when proven wrong, silence.

[Reagan]

1 hour ago, 1989NDN said:

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Being 20 TRILLION  in debt, I would beg to differ!  The government is not good at doing much of anything.  With the exception of the military.  Which, by the way, is Constitutional.

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4 hours ago, 1989NDN said:

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I'm not sure this study is really relevant to today's insurance market.  Obamacare was signed in March of 2010 and most of his damage didn't go into affect until 2014.  It's a totally different market now than it was before Obama destroyed it.  

 

"Trish and her team examined 144 million claims from Medicare, Medicare Advantage and commercial firms filed from 2007 to 2012 in metropolitan areas."

[LumRaiderFan]

1 hour ago, PhatMack19 said:

I'm not sure this study is really relevant to today's insurance market.  Obamacare was signed in March of 2010 and most of his damage didn't go into affect until 2014.  It's a totally different market now than it was before Obama destroyed it.  

 

"Trish and her team examined 144 million claims from Medicare, Medicare Advantage and commercial firms filed from 2007 to 2012 in metropolitan areas."

It was a nice try, anyway.

[1989NDN]

What are the specific differences in Medicare in 2007-2012 vs. 2014, 2015, 2016 or 2017?  Cite a study that compares the pros and cons.  How did Obamacare affect or change Medicare?  The point of the study was the payment of claims.  In this particular study, the Medicare program competed about equal with private insurance (at least where federal law allowed competition; cf., prescription drugs where Medicare, by law, can't compete with private industry).  The study had nothing to do with enrolling the underinsured or uninsured.  This study represents the basic premise that there is one program where, after years of practice, the government seemingly got it right.  Is it perfect?  No.  Is it a total failure?  No.  It's somewhere in the middle.  It proves that if Americans work together, we can find a system that provides basic healthcare to the elderly, working poor, and children.  The Left goes too far with their platform and so does the Right.  Find common ground and move forward.

Go Indians.  Peace.

[1989NDN]

14 hours ago, Reagan said:

 

Being 20 TRILLION  in debt, I would beg to differ!  The government is not good at doing much of anything.  With the exception of the military.  Which, by the way, is Constitutional.

The national debt results from pork barrel legislation; it's not the fault of Medicare alone.  I agree the federal government can, should, and must do better with the taxpayer's checkbook.  At least from the study conducted by USC, the Medicare program is paying claims competitively with private insurance.  Perhaps that's a start.

Go Indians.  Peace.

[stevenash]

6 minutes ago, 1989NDN said:

The national debt results from pork barrel legislation; it's not the fault of Medicare alone.  I agree the federal government can, should, and must do better with the taxpayer's checkbook.  At least from the study conducted by USC, the Medicare program is paying claims competitively with private insurance.  Perhaps that's a start.

Go Indians.  Peace.

Those that created pork barrel legislation are essentially the same folks that decide on what type of healthcare we have.

[baddog]

1 hour ago, 1989NDN said:

What are the specific differences in Medicare in 2007-2012 vs. 2014, 2015, 2016 or 2017?  Cite a study that compares the pros and cons.  How did Obamacare affect or change Medicare?  The point of the study was the payment of claims.  In this particular study, the Medicare program competed about equal with private insurance (at least where federal law allowed competition; cf., prescription drugs where Medicare, by law, can't compete with private industry).  The study had nothing to do with enrolling the underinsured or uninsured.  This study represents the basic premise that there is one program where, after years of practice, the government seemingly got it right.  Is it perfect?  No.  Is it a total failure?  No.  It's somewhere in the middle.  It proves that if Americans work together, we can find a system that provides basic healthcare to the elderly, working poor, and children.  The Left goes too far with their platform and so does the Right.  Find common ground and move forward.

Go Indians.  Peace.

If those were the only folks we had to take care of, it would be totally different. It's people like Big Girl who lie to get cheap insurance when she could afford her own. There is the problem, plus Medicare funds have been siphoned off to fund other programs so there is not much left for the deserving.

[1989NDN]

1 hour ago, stevenash said:

Those that created pork barrel legislation are essentially the same folks that decide on what type of healthcare we have.

In general, true.  Individual legislators come and go, i.e., voted out, resign, die, but both major political parties are to blame for pork barrel legislation.  (R) and (D) share the blame for the problem.

[1989NDN]

7 minutes ago, baddog said:

If those were the only folks we had to take care of, it would be totally different. It's people like Big Girl who lie to get cheap insurance when she could afford her own. There is the problem, plus Medicare funds have been siphoned off to fund other programs so there is not much left for the deserving.

+1...agree 100% about taking care of the elderly, working poor, and children.

Go Indians.  Peace.