Re-Alignment Changes

[WOSgrad]

We know there will be some shake up in 5A with the DI-DII split.  But will there be any other re-alignment changes that we may see come next February?

I hear that La Marque is almost certain to head back up to 4A-II starting next season.

Anybody heard anything else?

[WOSgrad]

One statewide site has done some mock ups for 5A-I, 5A-II and 4A-I which, if they come to fruition, would be very interesting:

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5A-I
1801-2200

District 1 (10 schools)
Abilene Cooper, Amarillo (Amarillo, Caprock, Palo Duro), EP Chapin, Lubbock (Coronado, Lubbock), Socorro Eastlake, Ysleta (Bel Air, Del Valle)

District 2 (8 schools)
Azle, Cleburne, Crowley, FW Arlington Heights, Granbury, Mansfield (Legacy, Summit), White Settlement Brewer

District 3 (9 schools)
Birdville (Birdville, Richland), GCISD (Colleyville Heritage, Grapevine), Northwest (Eaton, Northwest), Saginaw (Boswell, Chisholm Trail, Saginaw)

District 4 (6 schools)
Georgetown, Hutto, Leander (Cedar Park, Leander, Rouse), Waco

District 5 (7 schools)
Carrollton (Creekview, Smith, Turner), Denton (Denton, Ryan), Little Elm, The Colony

District 6 (10 schools)
Frisco (Centennial, Independence, Frisco, Heritage, Lebanon Trail, Liberty, Lone Star, Memorial, Reedy, Wakeland)

District 7 (6 schools)
Highland Park, McKinney North, Sherman, Texarkana Texas, West Mesquite, Wylie East

District 8 (7 schools)

Dallas (Adams, Molina, Samuell, Sunset), Lancaster, Red Oak, Waxahachie

District 9 (7 schools)
Bryan, College Station, Magnolia (Magnolia, West), Tomball (Memorial, Tomball), Waller

District 10 (7 schools)
Conroe Caney Creek, Humble, Huntsville, Kingwood Park, New Caney, Porter, Willis

District 11 (7 schools)
Friendswood, Galena Park, Galveston Ball, Houston (Austin, Wisdom), Port Arthur Memorial, Texas City

District 12 (8 schools)
Alvin (Manvel, Shadow Creek), Angleton, Fort Bend (Elkins, Hightower), Lamar (Foster, Terry), Victoria East

District 13 (8 schools)
Austin (Austin, Johnson), Judson Wagner, Manor, Northside Harlan, Pflugerville (Connally, Pflugerville), Seguin

District 14 (8 schools)
Eagle Pass Winn, Harlandale, Laredo Martin, SA (Brackenridge, Edison, Highlands, Lanier, Jefferson), Southwest Legacy

District 15 (7 schools)
Donna (Donna, North), Laredo Martin, Mission Veterans Memorial, PSJA (Memorial, Southwest), Rio Grande City

District 16 (8 schools)
Brownsville (Lopez, Pace, Porter, Veterans Memorial), CC (Carroll, Ray, Veterans Memorial), Flour Bluff

5A-II

1201-1815
Note: Frisco, Frisco Lebanon Trail, and Frisco Memorial opt up, pushing Roma, Mansfield Timberview, and Dallas Wilson down to D2. This also bumped the cutoff up from 1800 to 1815.

District 1 (8 schools)
Canutillo, El Paso (Andress, Austin, Bowie, Burges, El Paso, Irvin, Jefferson)

District 2 (7 schools)
Canyon Randall, Clint Horizon, Lubbock-Cooper, Plainview, Ysleta (Hanks, Parkland, Ysleta)

District 3 (6 schools)
Denison, Denton Braswell, Lake Dallas, Lovejoy, Wichita Falls, WF Rider

District 4 (8 schools)
Aledo, Everman, FW (Carter-Riverside, North Side, Polytechnic, Southwest, Trimble Tech, Wyatt)

District 5 (8 schools)
Arlington Seguin, Burleson (Burleson, Centennial), Corsicana, Ennis, Joshua, Mansfield Timberview, Midlothian

District 6 (8 schools)
Dallas (Adamson, Conrad, Jefferson, Kimball, Seagoville, SOC, Spruce, Wilson)

District 7 (7 schools)
Greenville, Forney (Forney, North), Mesquite Poteet, Royse City, Sulphur Springs, Terrell

District 8 (7 schools)
Hallsville, Jacksonville, Longview Pine Tree, Marshall, Mount Pleasant, Nacogdoches, Whitehouse

District 9 (8 schools)
Barbers Hill, Baytown Lee, Beaumont Central, Crosby, Dayton, Nederland, Port Neches-Groves, Vidor

District 10 (9 schools)
Fort Bend (Marshall, Willowridge), Houston (Madison, Milby, Northside, Sharpstown, Waltrip), Lamar Consolidated, Santa Fe

District 11 (7 schools)
Bastrop (Bastrop, Cedar Creek), Brenham, Bryan Rudder, College Station A&M Consolidated, Elgin, Waco University

District 12 (8 schools)
Austin (Crockett, Lanier, McCallum, Reagan, Travis), Georgetown East View, Leander Glenn, Pflugerville Wiess

District 13 (7 schools)
Alamo Heights, Boerne Champion, Dripping Springs, Judson Veterans Memorial, Kerrville Tivy, Lockhart, Marble Falls

District 14 (9 schools)
Castroville Medina Valley, Edgewood (Kennedy, Memorial), Floresville, Harlandale McCollum, SA (Burbank, Houston), Southside, Uvalde


District 15 (9 schools)
Alice, Calallen, CC (King, Miller, Moody), Gregory-Portland, Port Lavaca Calhoun, Tuloso-Midway, Victoria West

District 16 (6 schools)
Edcouch-Elsa, Pharr Valley View, Laredo Cigarroa, Roma, Sharyland (Pioneer, Sharyland)

 

4A-I

776-1200

District 1 (6 schools)
Andrews, Big Spring, Fabens, San Angelo Lake View, San Elizario, Ysleta Riverside

District 2 (6 schools)
Borger, Canyon, Dumas, Hereford, Levelland, Pampa

District 3 (6 schools)
Abilene Wylie, Brownwood, China Spring, Gatesville, La Vega, Stephenville

District 4 (6 schools)
Burkburnett, Decatur, Lake Worth, Mineral Wells, Springtown, WF Hirschi

District 5 (7 schools)

FW (Benbrook, Diamond Hill-Jarvis, Dunbar, E Hills, W Hills), Kennedale, River Oaks Castleberry

District 6 (6 schools)
Anna, Argyle, Carrollton Ranchview, Gainesville, Princeton, Sanger

District 7 (8 schools)
Alvarado, Dallas (Carter, Hillcrest, North, Pinkston, Wilmer-Hutchins), Midlothian Heritage, Waxahachie Life

District 8 (6 schools)

Crandall, Kaufman, Mabank, Quinlan Ford, North Lamar, Paris

District 9 (6 schools)
Athens, Carthage, Henderson, Kilgore, Lindale, Tyler Chapel Hill

District 10 (5 schools)
Cleveland, Livingston, Navasota, Palestine, Splendora

District 11 (6 schools)

Beaumont Ozen, Bridge City, Huffman Hargrave, Lumberton, Little Cypress-Mauriceville, Silsbee

District 12 (6 schools)
Houston (Furr, North Forest, Sterling, Wheatley, Worthing, Yates)

District 13 (8 schools)
Bay City, El Campo, Freeport Brazosport, Needville, Sealy, Stafford, Taylor, West Columbia Columbia

District 14 (6 schools)
Boerne, Burnet, Comal Canyon Lake, Lampasas, Liberty Hill, Fredericksburg

District 15 (6 schools)
Beeville Jones, Gonzales, La Vernia, Pleasanton, Rockport-Fulton, Somerset

District 16 (6 schools)
Hidalgo Early College, Kingsville King, La Feria, Mercedes, Rio Grande City Gulla, Zapata

 

Now the disclaimer: THESE ARE PROJECTIONS AKA PREDICTIONS AKA GUESSES as to what will happen in February.  But if it happens, it will make for some interesting games in September of 2018.

[BH85]

some of these make a little too much sense and we know that the UIL doesn't always follow those guidelines.

[ST413]

Our 4A district might make things more interesting in another sport, if that came true.

[CardinalBacker]

Good gawd. 

[Tiger33]

7 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Good gawd. 

 

7 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Good gawd. 

at least lumberton and ozen are better then Cleveland. Only one long drive to Huffman

[Alpha Wolf]

Boy that 5A-II is a gauntlet!  7 of the 8 teams in that district could be in the playoffs this year!

That would be a good spot for Ozen...

[BHFAN]

That 5A div II district 9 would be fun!!

[Clueless]

If it happens this way, Baytown Lee needs to drop it's football program! 

[Dawgs12345]

If 776 is the cut off for 4a DI, then WOS will have some more competition in DII R3 in 2018. Carthage would be almost a lock to drop down to DII. 

[SFA85]

I wonder if MC schools will start shipping kids back to PA so they can stay 5A D2????

[Javelina]

I don't see them putting Taylor in this district

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District 13 (8 schools)
Bay City, El Campo, Freeport Brazosport, Needville, Sealy, Stafford, Taylor, West Columbia Columbia

 

[CardinalBacker]

37 minutes ago, SFA85 said:

I wonder if MC schools will start shipping kids back to PA so they can stay 5A D2????

Heck, no! Have you seen the Indian Spirit lately?

 

 

[RaiderRed30]

The El Paso districts (EP and Yslets) are going to be big factor. Right now each has their own 5A district and share a 6A district. One of which, I don't remember which one, already has problems with scheduling and schedules football games as doubleheaders on Thursdays and Fridays. Having the schools go from 2 districts to 3 may not be doable and they opt causing chaos around the rest of the state. 

Besides that there are 2 other issues in 5AD2. The first of which is Wylie. Unless they get kids to transfer to Jim Ned snapshot day (which they might), they are about 90% gone to 5A. Question is where to put them because the nearest 5AD2 school would be Lubbock or Aledo. The second problem I see is how he or she divided the Fort Worth area because UIL has basically decided never again to allow Aledo with FWISD schools. That will cause a big change in districts as well. 

While neither of these problems relate to SE Texas they could create a domino effect that will cause problems everywhere. 

[John Blutarsky]

There have been rumors about rezoning the Baytown schools. If they do I'm not sure how it will pan out, but I believe they are aiming to move more kids into Lee's zone. As a GCM parent I would hope any rezoning would move us back down to the 5A level where we wouldn't have to play Northshore and Atascocita.

[SFA85]

1 hour ago, CardinalBacker said:

Heck, no! Have you seen the Indian Spirit lately?

 

 

This is hysterical on so many levels but it's not to this point yet and I'm willing to bet, never will lol......

[Kegger]

Clevelands enrollment will be between 1400 & 1500.

[WOSgrad]

14 hours ago, Dawgs12345 said:

If 776 is the cut off for 4a DI, then WOS will have some more competition in DII R3 in 2018. Carthage would be almost a lock to drop down to DII. 

If so, so be it.  However, if Carthage drops to DII, chances are that they will wind up in Region II.  That would make for some VERY good playoff games.

[Cougar14.2]

Well, if this split happens it would definitely be a lot more "fair". As far as 5A-D2 it looks awful weak, I know that's probably not a popular statement on here. Compare that to Houston's D1 S/SW district that will have Manvel, Shadow Creek, Angleton, Elkins and Hightower, one of which would get Friendswood in the first round. Very good for the UIL to make money but I think you're going to see a lot less competitive games in the playoffs before you get to the third round and later much like the lower divisions since the split. I can see it being a big win for a bunch of teams like Crosby though.

[CardinalBacker]

I think the split in 4A D1 is probably the harshest of the splits.  

 

When you compare a school the size of Bridge city at 783 and growing 2 years ago facing off against schools the size of Lumberton/LCM at 1100 kids, it's a killer.  A three or four hundred kid difference isn't that big of deal when you're talking about enrollments of 3200 vs 3600.  

I always joke that you could add the entire Newton High School to BC and we still wouldn't be as big as District rival LCM, but it's true.  I can't think of a spread that seems to create a disparity as big as 4A D1.  

[Brubaker]

2 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

I think the split in 4A D1 is probably the harshest of the splits.  

 

When you compare a school the size of Bridge city at 783 and growing 2 years ago facing off against schools the size of Lumberton/LCM at 1100 kids, it's a killer.  A three or four hundred kid difference isn't that big of deal when you're talking about enrollments of 3200 vs 3600.  

I always joke that you could add the entire Newton High School to BC and we still wouldn't be as big as District rival LCM, but it's true.  I can't think of a spread that seems to create a disparity as big as 4A D1.  

Nederland and Central have been dealing with double this deficit in several playoff games for years

[CardinalBacker]

20 minutes ago, Brubaker said:

Nederland and Central have been dealing with double this deficit in several playoff games for years

I know.... the deficits are worse in the smaller classifications.  I mean, how would a school with 125 kids fare versus a school with 425?  300 hurts a lot worse on smaller schools.   

We're closer in size to tons of 4A D2 schools than the 4A D1 schools in our district.  I can't imagine how we'd do if we played schools our size.  We might win a DC, LOL.

I guess I shouldn't gripe.... the year before the top three finishers (Silsbee, Jasper, BC) were the smallest three schools in that district.  

 

[Alpha Wolf]

2 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

I think the split in 4A D1 is probably the harshest of the splits.  

 

When you compare a school the size of Bridge city at 783 and growing 2 years ago facing off against schools the size of Lumberton/LCM at 1100 kids, it's a killer.  A three or four hundred kid difference isn't that big of deal when you're talking about enrollments of 3200 vs 3600.  

I always joke that you could add the entire Newton High School to BC and we still wouldn't be as big as District rival LCM, but it's true.  I can't think of a spread that seems to create a disparity as big as 4A D1.  

Ozen (1121) and Lumberton (1157) have been dealing with the likes of PA Memorial (2098).  The Panthers beat the Titans 2 years ago if my memory serves me correct...

[Alpha Wolf]

44 minutes ago, Brubaker said:

Nederland and Central have been dealing with double this deficit in several playoff games for years

Exactly.  Before the addition of PA Memorial, Nederland (1596) and Central (1471) were always your big school representatives going against bigger schools.  That's why regardless of finish this coming year, I'm hoping for Nederland to make the playoffs along with PA Memorial (2098) so that those 2 can be the D1 reps.  And Central and PN-G (1447) to get in and be the D2 reps.  Since this format, Central has never played on the D2 side. 

[BMTSoulja1]

5 hours ago, Jag Insider said:

Exactly.  Before the addition of PA Memorial, Nederland (1596) and Central (1471) were always your big school representatives going against bigger schools.  That's why regardless of finish this coming year, I'm hoping for Nederland to make the playoffs along with PA Memorial (2098) so that those 2 can be the D1 reps.  And Central and PN-G (1447) to get in and be the D2 reps.  Since this format, Central has never played on the D2 side. 

Incorrect.  Central played D2 when they played Caney Creek in 2002.  Ozen went D-1and played Oak Ridge...