Socialized Medicine Anyone?

[Reagan]

SAD!!  This is the face of government ran health care!!  ANYONE that believes in it ought to be a shame!! 

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[BS Wildcats]

Big girl loves it.  And, the judges there were practically a death panel.

[Reagan]

Not much from BigGirl, TxHoops, westend, nappy or kountzer on this one.  I really don't blame them.  I'd be a shamed of supporting something that would let this happen to this poor child! 

[PhatMack19]

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If you've been concerned about the fate of veterans' health care in the U.S., look to its cousin across the pond. A subsidiary of the 

government-run British National Health Service has decided to bar obese patients and smokers from undgergoing hip and knee operations.

 "I think we are going to see more and more decisions like this," said Chris Hopson, the head of NHS Providers told The Telegraph. 

"It's the only way providers are going to be able to balance their books."

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The NHS has, for decades, endured problems that will remind many of the VA's waiting list scandal:

 

• NHS doctors routinely conceal from patients information about innovative new therapies that the NHS doesn't pay for, so as to not "distress, upset or confuse" them.
• Terminally ill patients are incorrectly classified as "close to death" so as to allow the withdrawal of expensive life support.
• NHS expert guidelines on the management of high cholesterol are intentionally out of date, putting patients at serious risk, in order to save money.
• When the government approved an innovative new treatment for elderly blindness, the NHS initially decided to reimburse for the treatment only after patients were already blind in one eye using the logic that a person blind in one eye can still see, and is therefore not that badly off.
• While most NHS patients expect to wait five months for a hip operation or knee surgery, leaving them immobile and disabled in the meantime, the actual waiting times are even worse: 11 months for hips and 12 months for knees. (This compares to a wait of 3 to 4 weeks for such procedures in the United States.)
• One in four Britons with cancer is denied treatment with the latest drugs proven to extend life.
• Those who seek to pay for such drugs on their own are expelled from the NHS system, for making the government look bad, and are forced to pay for the entirety of their own care for the rest of their lives.
• Britons diagnosed with cancer or heart attacks are more likely to die, and more quickly, than those of most other developed nations. Britain's survival rates for these diseases are "little better than [those] of former Communist countries."

[Hagar]

On July 29, 2017 at 4:41 PM, PhatMack19 said:

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If you've been concerned about the fate of veterans' health care in the U.S., look to its cousin across the pond. A subsidiary of the 

government-run British National Health Service has decided to bar obese patients and smokers from undgergoing hip and knee operations.

 "I think we are going to see more and more decisions like this," said Chris Hopson, the head of NHS Providers told The Telegraph. 

"It's the only way providers are going to be able to balance their books."

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The NHS has, for decades, endured problems that will remind many of the VA's waiting list scandal:

 

 

• NHS doctors routinely conceal from patients information about innovative new therapies that the NHS doesn't pay for, so as to not "distress, upset or confuse" them.
• Terminally ill patients are incorrectly classified as "close to death" so as to allow the withdrawal of expensive life support.
• NHS expert guidelines on the management of high cholesterol are intentionally out of date, putting patients at serious risk, in order to save money.
• When the government approved an innovative new treatment for elderly blindness, the NHS initially decided to reimburse for the treatment only after patients were already blind in one eye using the logic that a person blind in one eye can still see, and is therefore not that badly off.
• While most NHS patients expect to wait five months for a hip operation or knee surgery, leaving them immobile and disabled in the meantime, the actual waiting times are even worse: 11 months for hips and 12 months for knees. (This compares to a wait of 3 to 4 weeks for such procedures in the United States.)
• One in four Britons with cancer is denied treatment with the latest drugs proven to extend life.
• Those who seek to pay for such drugs on their own are expelled from the NHS system, for making the government look bad, and are forced to pay for the entirety of their own care for the rest of their lives.
• Britons diagnosed with cancer or heart attacks are more likely to die, and more quickly, than those of most other developed nations. Britain's survival rates for these diseases are "little better than [those] of former Communist countries."

Which proves the point of a quote I read recently:  To contain rising cost, government run healthcare systems invariably restrict healthcare supply.

[Big girl]

Yet, you guys would love to see millions lose their coverage and die. Hypocrites!!!!

[stevenash]

1 hour ago, Big girl said:

Yet, you guys would love to see millions lose their coverage and die. Hypocrites!!!!

Big Girl-  Regarding the millions of people losing their coverage and dying-  Please document for me the "outrageous" number of deaths that occurred prior to Obamacare so that we can understand the "glaring" difference.

[Hagar]

For you proponents of socialized medicine, here’s a hint of what you can expect.  De Blasio is making it a Law in NYC that you get measle vaccinations.  Or, in plain english, he’s forcing you too.  So if this can be forced, what’s next?  Let me take a wild stab, How about a 666 mark on the forehead or right hand?

[stevenash]

On ‎7‎/‎29‎/‎2017 at 3:07 PM, Reagan said:

Not much from BigGirl, TxHoops, westend, nappy or kountzer on this one.  I really don't blame them.  I'd be a shamed of supporting something that would let this happen to this poor child! 

Don't you want the enlightened opinion from VSEO?

[stevenash]

NO AND NO-  But, unlike you, we always want as many opinions as possible and consider multiple opinions to be on a path to "enlightenment" rather than the theory that fewer ones somehow make you smarter

[Reagan]

1 hour ago, stevenash said:

NO AND NO-  But, unlike you, we always want as many opinions as possible and consider multiple opinions to be on a path to "enlightenment" rather than the theory that fewer ones somehow make you smarter

Steve, you think VSEO was one of the 5 I had mentioned in the post you responded to?  Maybe a little reincarnation going on here?! 

[baddog]

24 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Steve, you think VSEO was one of the 5 I had mentioned in the post you responded to?  Maybe a little reincarnation going on here?! 

Nappy

[stevenash]

:):)

[Englebert]

19 minutes ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

No - you guys only want opinions that reinforce the circlejerk going on around here

Source?

Do you have any credible evidence for that statement? Do you think anyone can take you serious with such crude and unimaginative accusations that you formulate out of thin air?

[Reagan]

Did anyone notice that when Mick Jagger needed a medical procedure that he came to the United States to have it done and not through England's socialized medicine?

[BS Wildcats]

14 hours ago, Reagan said:

Did anyone notice that when Mick Jagger needed a medical procedure that he came to the United States to have it done and not through England's socialized medicine?

Typical when someone can afford it.