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39 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

No matter what, I'm always willing to educate :) 

 

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Did you even read this article. It basically says, in a nut-shell, man is the cause the global warming and we don't need to provide any stinking evidence. Our "peer-reviewed" studies are hand-picked peers that agree with us 100%. 98% of "climatologists" agree because we did a (laughable) textual search, even though we know this is inherently subjective and highly fallible. The Exxon studies are worthless for the mere fact that they are not in agreement with our undocumented premise.

I've laid out the hypothesis for man-made global warming, and this article can't even come close to validating any of the three. In case you forgot, they are: 1) The Earth is warming 2) Man is the cause 3) this warming is detrimental to Earth's health. Simply stating that the Earth is warming, admittedly based on altered and manipulated data is not proof. Saying Man is the cause while providing no casual link is a slap in the face to everyone that adheres to the scientific method. These people are the real science deniers.

So I'm guessing that the education part is your admittance that the Man-Made Global Warming people are neo-nazi fascists that want to dictate and control every aspect of our lives through misinformation and junk science. That is what I gathered from this article. Where am I going wrong?

 

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I really was just trying to educate and present some real news that is apart from the normal droll of this board.  But just so not to avoid the "questions" you guys like to pose, I would offer the following on my way back to the sports' boards ;) 

1) The Earth is warming

 Global warming is not an output of computer models; it is a conclusion based on observations of a great many global indicators. By far the most straightforward evidence is the actual surface temperature record. While there are places — in England, for example — that have records going back several centuries, the two major global temperature analyses can only go back around 150 years due to their requirements for both quantity and distribution of temperature recording stations.

These are the two most reputable globally and seasonally averaged temperature trend analyses:

Both trends are definitely and significantly up. In addition to direct measurements of surface temperature, there are many other measurements and indicators that support the general direction and magnitude of the change the earth is currently undergoing. The following diverse empirical observations lead to the same unequivocal conclusion that the earth is warming:

There is simply no room for doubt: the Earth is undergoing a rapid and large warming trend.

Sure there are plenty of unsolved problems and active debates in climate science. But if you look at the research papers coming out these days, the debates are about things like why model predictions of outgoing longwave radiation at the top of the atmosphere in tropical latitudes differ from satellite readings, or how the size of ice crystals in cirrus clouds affect the amount of incoming shortwave reflected back into space, or precisely how much stratospheric cooling can be attributed to ozone depletion rather than an enhanced greenhouse effect.

No one in the climate science community is debating whether or not changes in atmospheric CO2 concentrations alter the greenhouse effect, or if the current warming trend is outside of the range of natural variability, or if sea levels have risen over the last century.

This is where there is a consensus.

Specifically, the “

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” about anthropogenic climate change entails the following:

  • the climate is undergoing a pronounced warming trend beyond the range of natural variability;
  • the major cause of most of the observed warming is rising levels of the greenhouse gas CO2;
  • the rise in CO2 is the result of burning fossil fuels; 
  • if CO2 continues to rise over the next century, the warming will continue; and
  • a climate change of the projected magnitude over this time frame represents potential danger to human welfare and the environment.

While theories and viewpoints in conflict with the above do exist, their proponents constitute a very small minority. If we require unanimity before being confident, well, we can’t be sure the earth isn’t hollow either.

This consensus is represented in the IPCC Third Assessment Report, Working Group 1 (

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), the most comprehensive compilation and summary of current climate research ever attempted, and arguably the most thoroughly peer reviewed scientific document in history. While this review was sponsored by the UN, the research it compiled and reviewed was not, and the scientists involved were independent and came from all over the world.

The conclusions reached in this document have been explicitly endorsed by …

  • Academia Brasiliera de Ciências (Bazil)
  • Royal Society of Canada
  • Chinese Academy of Sciences
  • Academié des Sciences (France)
  • Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
  • Indian National Science Academy
  • Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
  • Science Council of Japan
  • Russian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Society (United Kingdom)
  • National Academy of Sciences (United States of America)
  • Australian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
  • Caribbean Academy of Sciences
  • Indonesian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Irish Academy
  • Academy of Sciences Malaysia
  • Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
  • Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

… in either one or both of these documents: 

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In addition to these national academies, the following institutions specializing in climate, atmosphere, ocean, and/or earth sciences have endorsed or published the same conclusions as presented in the TAR report:

If this is not scientific consensus, what in the world would a consensus look like?

2) Man is the cause 
 
No one credible is arguing that man is the sole cause.  However, it is naive at best to somehow convince one's self that man isn't playing a large role. It’s true that natural fluxes in the 
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 are much larger than anthropogenic emissions. But for roughly the last 10,000 years, until the industrial revolution, every gigatonne of carbon going into the atmosphere was balanced by one coming out.

What humans have done is alter one side of this cycle. We put approximately 6 gigatonnes of carbon into the air but, unlike nature, we are not taking any out.

Thankfully, nature is compensating in part for our emissions, because only about half the CO2 we emit stays in the air. Nevertheless, since we began burning fossil fuels in earnest over 

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, the atmospheric concentration that was relatively stable for the previous 
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 years has now 
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 by over 35%.

So whatever the total amounts going in and out “naturally,” humans have clearly upset the balance and significantly altered an important part of the 

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3) This warming is detrimental to the Earth's health

 

I don’t know if there is a meaningful way to define an “optimum” average temperature for planet earth. Surely it is better now for all of us than it was 20,000 years ago when so much land was trapped beneath ice sheets. Perhaps any point between the recent climate and the extreme one we may be heading for, with tropical forests inside the arctic circle, is as good as any other. Maybe it’s even better with no ice caps anywhere.

It doesn’t matter. The critical issue is not what the temperature is, or may be, or will be. The critical issue is how fast it is 

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 is the real danger. Human habits and infrastructure are suited to particular weather patterns and sea levels, as are ecosystems and animal behaviors. The rate at which global temperature is rising today is likely unique in the 
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This kind of sudden change is rare even in geological history, though perhaps not unprecedented. So the planet may have been through similar things before — that sounds reassuring, right?

Not so much. Once you look at the impact similar changes had on biodiversity at the time, the existence of historical precedent becomes anything but 

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. Rapid climate change is the prime suspect in most mass extinction events, including the 
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 some 250 million years ago, in which 90% of all life went extinct.

What we know about ecosystems, and what geologic history demonstrates, is that dramatic climate changes — up or down or sideways — are a tremendous shock to the biosphere and cause mass extinction events. That, all in all, is not likely to be a good thing.

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1 hour ago, TxHoops said:

I would ask for a refutation of any of the above but it would most certainly consist of "junk science", is any meaningful refutation exists.  It is just a lot easier to say nuh uh.  

The refutation is coming. I have been preparing (and partaking) with some friends tonight, but will certainly reply tomorrow. A simple cursory reading is more than enough to show you have absolutely nothing but the same old crap expounded by the neo-nazi global warmists that has no basis in science. I can dispel or call out the highly questionable conclusions of the above "facts" (what most people call propaganda). I'm in the process of preparing for a natural occurrence of "weather" (which will surely be deemed a predicted disaster due to Man-made interference) and am pressed for time at this moment. But I can state with 100% accuracy your post does not give any more credence to the lie that masquerades as a legitimate science model. In fact, the lie still continues to be the biggest and most pathetic attempt of controlling man in the history of mankind. The simple fact that this lie has garnered any credence at all is astonishing. I guess that's what happens when intelligent men get fooled.

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9 minutes ago, Englebert said:

The refutation is coming. I have been preparing (and partaking) with some friends tonight, but will certainly reply tomorrow. A simple cursory reading is more than enough to show you have absolutely nothing but the same old crap expounded by the neo-nazi global warmists that has no basis in science. I can dispel or call out the highly questionable conclusions of the above "facts" (what most people call propaganda). I'm in the process of preparing for a natural occurrence of "weather" (which will surely be deemed a predicted disaster due to Man-made interference) and am pressed for time at this moment. But I can state with 100% accuracy your post does not give any more credence to the lie that masquerades as a legitimate science model. In fact, the lie still continues to be the biggest and most pathetic attempt of controlling man in the history of mankind. The simple fact that this lie has garnered any credence at all is astonishing. I guess that's what happens when intelligent men get fooled.

Educated doesn't always translate to intelligent.

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11 minutes ago, Englebert said:

The refutation is coming. I have been preparing (and partaking) with some friends tonight, but will certainly reply tomorrow. A simple cursory reading is more than enough to show you have absolutely nothing but the same old crap expounded by the neo-nazi global warmists that has no basis in science. I can dispel or call out the highly questionable conclusions of the above "facts" (what most people call propaganda). I'm in the process of preparing for a natural occurrence of "weather" (which will surely be deemed a predicted disaster due to Man-made interference) and am pressed for time at this moment. But I can state with 100% accuracy your post does not give any more credence to the lie that masquerades as a legitimate science model. In fact, the lie still continues to be the biggest and most pathetic attempt of controlling man in the history of mankind. The simple fact that this lie has garnered any credence at all is astonishing. I guess that's what happens when intelligent men get fooled.

I do appreciate your learned responses (no sarcasm intended), and look forward to your post. Despite the use of terms applied proudly by some members of the alt-RIGHT, and your dismissal of actual science by some renegades who are jokes in their field. But nonetheless, we all have the right to our opinions and value yours.  Didn't expect to convince you as I'm sure you know you surely won't convince me.  But I do look forward to reading it.  Now enjoy your evening.  I am partaking myself ;) 

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Based on my (ten minutes) research, this global warming is a natural phenomenon, that is comparable to a snowball rolling downhill.  According to scientific studies, volcanic eruptions release large amounts of CO2.  During the Ica Age, there were very little, if any, volcanic activity.  As the earth has gotten warmer in the last 19,000 years, volcanic activity has increased.  

Now pay attention, all ye purveyors that man, fossil fuels, and cow flatulence causes GW. Volcano erupts, CO2 goes in the atmosphere, earth gets warmer.  Next year, 2 volcanoes erupt, warming more.  Then 3 - 4 - 6, warmer, warmer, warmer.  Vicious, speeding up cycle, even if Adam & Eve were still in the garden.

And me with a sixth grade education.

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7 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

Does IQ translate to intelligence?  Because that is literally what it means to most upright, nose breathing people.  Asking for a friend...

Upright?  Does my recliner count?  Nose breathing?  Since my nose was broke playing football at eight (pickup game), & the specialist was on his way to a party when he came to Hotel Dieu (Hospital in Bmt long ago) to see me, he just took his thumbs and shoved the cartilage back.  But not quite right.  Do a lot of mouth breathing as a result lol.

Now I will ask our brethren on the Forums Indulgence while I ask Tx Hoops (or Englebert) an off topic question.  Actually, anyone can add their opinions.  In my 72 years, I've known a lot of folks with common sense, and a lot of really intelligent folks, but have you ever noticed how relatively rare it is to see a really intelligent person with common sense?  Not being facetious, I've always wondered why.  First, is common sense something folks are born with, and some not, or a result of upbringing (parenting)?  Or is like gifts from God as mentioned in Corinthians - some get the gift of intelligence, some the gift of common sense, and a rare few, both?

Some people have a Bucket List for before they die.  I have questions I want answered.  Bet my teachers wish I had been this inquisitive. :) 

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35 minutes ago, stevenash said:

Are you saying that the article is full of untruths?

That's exactly what I'm saying.  That "rag" is merely recycling more fake news to keep the kool aid drinkers from getting thirsty. 

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On the upside, I suppose only being 6 months late could be considered progress from this group :D 

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20 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

That's exactly what I'm saying.  That "rag" is merely recycling more fake news to keep the kool aid drinkers from getting thirsty. 

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On the upside, I suppose only being 6 months late could be considered progress from this group :D 

So you have seen nothing about anyone at noaa putting out skewed data?

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On 8/26/2017 at 8:11 PM, TxHoops said:

That's exactly what I'm saying.  That "rag" is merely recycling more fake news to keep the kool aid drinkers from getting thirsty. 

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On the upside, I suppose only being 6 months late could be considered progress from :Dthis group  

Ok, now I understand.  Not having the wall built by inauguration week is intolerable?

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