AthleticSupporter - Jock Posted October 19, 2017 Report Posted October 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, RanchHand said: Because basketball is more important? Not sure what you mean by that being an answer. There are definitely exceptions in cases of a school being more successful in one sport than the other, but it doesn't take away the statement that the schools are playing with the same enrollment in the other sports that they are playing with in football. The question was why are they separating football and not the other sports? Maybe the physicality of football compared to the others and the beating that it takes on the body. Maybe somebody knows the reasons why the NCAA has the division and why the UIL followed it. The physicality is part of it. But what I meant was that even though you are pulling from the same # of kids in each sport, you need fewer good players to be competitive in sports like baseball and basketball. Look at how many small schools are successful in March Madness each year. George Mason made the Final Four I believe one year. George Mason is not even able to field a football team. Lamar can periodically beat UT in baseball, but how do you think they would fare against UT or A&M in football? So, it is a combination of the physicality of football (imposing your physical will on your opponent) and the sheer #'s that are required in order to have a competitive FB team at a certain level. After saying all of that, I'll throw out the usual statement that none of this applies to WOS when it comes to football. :-) Quote
RanchHand Posted October 19, 2017 Report Posted October 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, AthleticSupporter - Jock said: The physicality is part of it. But what I meant was that even though you are pulling from the same # of kids in each sport, you need fewer good players to be competitive in sports like baseball and basketball. Look at how many small schools are successful in March Madness each year. George Mason made the Final Four I believe one year. George Mason is not even able to field a football team. Lamar can periodically beat UT in baseball, but how do you think they would fare against UT or A&M in football? So, it is a combination of the physicality of football (imposing your physical will on your opponent) and the sheer #'s that are required in order to have a competitive FB team at a certain level. After saying all of that, I'll throw out the usual statement that none of this applies to WOS when it comes to football. :-) Totally understand that but generally, you see the same teams year in and year out at the finals...in baseball and basketball. The smaller schools (NCAA) don't have the luxury of being able to recruit the bigger named stars like the LSU's, the UT's, etc. It's rare for a small school to make it to the finals. That's the only point I was trying to make as far as the NCAA rule is concerned. And I only brought that up because I felt that the UIL was "trying" to follow some of the NCAA standards. I have absolutely no clue if that's true or not, but I do know that football is a huge money maker. Every team that makes the playoffs in every division has to pay 15% off the top to the UIL for each playoff game. I'm guessing that helps to pay for JerryWorld or whatever....who knows. I just know that that adds up to a lot of money....and more money than baseball or basketball brings in for sure! AthleticSupporter - Jock 1 Quote
AthleticSupporter - Jock Posted October 19, 2017 Report Posted October 19, 2017 And where most high schools lost students during Harvey, Lumberton gained students. The bottom # for 5A would have to be about 2000 for Lumberton to drop down to 4A. Quote
Lightning/Eagle Posted October 19, 2017 Report Posted October 19, 2017 29 minutes ago, GIJonesy said: Montgomery is adding a new high school for the 2018 season. Lake Creek is expected to open as a 5A Div II, Montgomery a 5A Div I. Could end up Livingston, Cleveland, Splendora, Lake Creek, Brenham, New Caney. Very doubtful New Caney or Porter would be D II. Quote
Sportsfan1999 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Posted October 19, 2017 Lumberton number is below 1150 Quote
AthleticSupporter - Jock Posted October 19, 2017 Report Posted October 19, 2017 12 minutes ago, sportsfan2017 said: Lumberton number is below 1150 If you say so Quote
Michele Posted October 19, 2017 Report Posted October 19, 2017 45 minutes ago, sportsfan2017 said: Lumberton number is below 1150 35 minutes ago, AthleticSupporter - Jock said: If you say so Actually Lumberton is 1157 Quote
D3zii Posted October 19, 2017 Report Posted October 19, 2017 14 hours ago, Jag Insider said: Nevermind, I forgot to add the 75 that are at Pathways and the Paul Brown center... Seniors...290 Juniors...264 Sophomores...267 Freshmen...363 Miscellaneous...75 Total...1259 Wow, just a few years ago, I was hearing talk of Central being on the verge of having 5A numbers, (before there was a 6A) ,I have never known Central to be that small. Did Ozen or West Brook gain Students? Another thing is im just not understanding how a city of over 118,000 can have very small school numbers . I know a lot of parents in Beaumont are sending there kids to HJ but that still doesn't make sense for the small numbers these Highschools are turning out Quote
oldschool2 Posted October 19, 2017 Author Report Posted October 19, 2017 2 hours ago, AthleticSupporter - Jock said: Just look at how Silsbee basketball is able to compete, and beat, most schools 2-3x their enrollment. But they can't do it in football. Why? There is your answer. Because getting a group of 10 or less kids can be a lot more easily done than a group of 30+. Numbers don't always matter in basketball because it might literally come down to a starting 5 vs a starting 5. Numbers are THE difference in football most of the time. A few years ago Big Sandy had 5 kids (out of 100 or so total) that were as good or better than any group of 5 kids from any school in the area. AthleticSupporter - Jock 1 Quote
Sportsfan1999 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Posted October 19, 2017 56 minutes ago, Michele said: that was 2 years ago Actually Lumberton is 1157 Quote
Alpha Wolf Posted October 19, 2017 Report Posted October 19, 2017 3 hours ago, D3zii said: Wow, just a few years ago, I was hearing talk of Central being on the verge of having 5A numbers, (before there was a 6A) ,I have never known Central to be that small. Did Ozen or West Brook gain Students? Another thing is im just not understanding how a city of over 118,000 can have very small school numbers . I know a lot of parents in Beaumont are sending there kids to HJ but that still doesn't make sense for the small numbers these Highschools are turning out Well when you don't have any solid school boundaries and kids can go from any middle school to any high school in Beaumont, this is what happens. From what I was told, the majority of kids that were lost due to Harvey were non-athletes. There may have been a handful that went to West Brook or Ozen but not many. I have some other reasons that I feel that contribute but not enough time at the moment to go over them. Raider24 1 Quote
GIJonesy Posted October 19, 2017 Report Posted October 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Lightning/Eagle said: Very doubtful New Caney or Porter would be D II. Porter no but maybe New Caney. Current projected cutoff for DII is 1735. New Caney at 1706.5 as of last cutoff. Quote
L-Train11 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Posted October 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, GIJonesy said: Porter no but maybe New Caney. Current projected cutoff for DII is 1735. New Caney at 1706.5 as of last cutoff. 1706.5?? Where’s the other half at? Lol GIJonesy 1 Quote
MrUmp1 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Posted October 19, 2017 43 minutes ago, L-Train11 said: 1706.5?? Where’s the other half at? Lol They were part of a magicians family. Accidents happen L-Train11 and GIJonesy 2 Quote
Clueless Posted October 19, 2017 Report Posted October 19, 2017 8 hours ago, oldman said: The gap could be that large. It is based on getting a certain number of schools in each division. So this is what will set the cut-off numbers. True, curious with new schools opening up for next realignment. I'm assuming they start in 6A with X number of schools and work their way down? Quote
TexazBall Posted October 20, 2017 Report Posted October 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Jag Insider said: Well when you don't have any solid school boundaries and kids can go from any middle school to any high school in Beaumont, this is what happens. From what I was told, the majority of kids that were lost due to Harvey were non-athletes. There may have been a handful that went to West Brook or Ozen but not many. I have some other reasons that I feel that contribute but not enough time at the moment to go over them. Hmmm, that's just beyond me how it can be like that..BISD always had weird zoning..One side of my neighborhood was Westbrook and the other was Central Quote
EaglesFootball Posted October 20, 2017 Report Posted October 20, 2017 Newton is going to turn in somewhere between 295 to 300 from what I heard from some of the folks at the school. Quote
PlayActionPass Posted October 20, 2017 Report Posted October 20, 2017 22 hours ago, RanchHand said: Totally understand that but generally, you see the same teams year in and year out at the finals...in baseball and basketball. The smaller schools (NCAA) don't have the luxury of being able to recruit the bigger named stars like the LSU's, the UT's, etc. It's rare for a small school to make it to the finals. That's the only point I was trying to make as far as the NCAA rule is concerned. And I only brought that up because I felt that the UIL was "trying" to follow some of the NCAA standards. I have absolutely no clue if that's true or not, but I do know that football is a huge money maker. Every team that makes the playoffs in every division has to pay 15% off the top to the UIL for each playoff game. I'm guessing that helps to pay for JerryWorld or whatever....who knows. I just know that that adds up to a lot of money....and more money than baseball or basketball brings in for sure! Coastal Carolina won the National Championship in baseball 2 years ago. it only take 8 players and handful of pitchers to make you competitive in baseball. It takes 33 starters and another 11-15 backups to be competitive in football at the college level. Numbers and competitive balance is the reason for the split at the NCAA level and why UIL followed the formula. AthleticSupporter - Jock 1 Quote
Cat22 Posted October 20, 2017 Report Posted October 20, 2017 From what I hear Orangefield will turn in right at 500. Will probably miss the cut by 10 students or so! Quote
texaslonghorn14 Posted October 20, 2017 Report Posted October 20, 2017 On 10/16/2017 at 2:24 PM, Lightning/Eagle said: I had heard King might have lost some students after the flooding. Got a number of 2430 for C. E. King. Quote
BlackShirts5 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Posted October 23, 2017 When will we start getting a pretty good idea of where they stand? Quote
Lightning/Eagle Posted October 23, 2017 Report Posted October 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, GCM-RG74-WR8 said: When will we start getting a pretty good idea of where they stand? I have heard that snap shot day will be this Friday. Oct. 27 Quote
BlackShirts5 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Posted October 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Lightning/Eagle said: I have heard that snap shot day will be this Friday. Oct. 27 Nice. How long after that do they start putting out pretty good scenarios lol. Quote
Lightning/Eagle Posted October 23, 2017 Report Posted October 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, GCM-RG74-WR8 said: Nice. How long after that do they start putting out pretty good scenarios lol. I am not positive but I believe it will be sometime in February. Quote
BlackShirts5 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Posted October 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Lightning/Eagle said: I am not positive but I believe it will be sometime in February. Hopefully we will have some good prediction makers lol.. Quote
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