Can we go one game without.....

[BMTSoulja1]

11 minutes ago, LCM17 said:

We were 5-5 last yearand ended up losing the playoff game going 5-6 on the season. Only district losses were to silsbee and BC we beat the rest in our district for 3 rd place. By no means I think it’s good. We are consistaint 5-5 program and I’d like that to change. Navasota went 2-9 though.

Ok.  You're right.  Y'all did finish at .500 .  

Yea, Navasota only won 2 district games...  I was so mad because a lot of their players made 1st team all district and they were horrible last year...  Truely a head scratcher.. 

[BMTSoulja1]

4 minutes ago, ST413 said:

Yes who is going to miss the playoffs?

Huffman and Bridge City....

No knock on BC, they're too dinged up.  That's the only reason I say that...

[dj]

11 hours ago, L-Train11 said:

Somebody complaining about the refs?? I mean, seriously, it’s getting ridiculous on here reading some of these threads. There are good and bad calls in every single game. Believe it or not sometimes your team DOES commit penalties. Wow, imagine that. And believe it or not sometimes the refs do make bad calls, both ways. 

Rant over.

I'm with you on that one. Like last nite PAM as great as they are for some reason can't play a full 4 qtrs for some odd reason and this has been the case for a few years now

[ST413]

11 minutes ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Huffman and Bridge City....

No knock on BC, they're too dinged up.  That's the only reason I say that...

I would think Cleveland.  Don know about Huffman.  As far as BC goes, they are banged up pretty bad as are we.  My concern with them over us, is our stopping that running game.  I have only seen 3 games so far but we sure are up and down on tha5 defensive side.

[Realville]

7 hours ago, PAT409 said:

Well someone earlier said that the refs are usually only involved when it comes to mid-county teams and from what I've seen so far the last couple of years it seems to be the case. When we lost to Vidor last year not a single person mentioned the refs at all as the reason we lost. Yet before we played either Mid-county team this year everyone was aware of the potential swing in penalties in their favor. The Nederland game had some terrible calls but what I saw tonight was not only obvious but darn near criminal. How fitting that every bad call in this game happened to be in the Indians favor. Oh well, nothing I or anyone else says can change what happened. It was a good game and everyone got their moneys worth I just wish that yellow cloth didn't land on the field every other play for the Titans.

Couldn’t agree more! I’ve always believed that for years! Just my opinion.

[BMTSoulja1]

11 minutes ago, ST413 said:

I would think Cleveland.  Don know about Huffman.  As far as BC goes, they are banged up pretty bad as are we.  My concern with them over us, is our stopping that running game.  I have only seen 3 games so far but we sure are up and down on tha5 defensive side.

It's something.  Earlier this year, we were flying to the ball.  We hit Lumberton in the mouth in the scrimmage.  Flew to the ball second half @ Jasper... And we tackled pretty decent vs. the champs...  

I think we just don't have a good push off the line.  then when we do get penetration, our d-linemen are slow and can't pursuit well...

[texbuzz]

58 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

That’s more true than you know.  I honestly think the outcome of a game is about 20% because of coaching.  Or less.  The rest is purely based on the talent of your team or the talent of the other team.

Sorry.  Pardon the bluntness but it has pretty much everything to do with the kids.

 

56 minutes ago, L-Train11 said:

I agree 110%. Poor coaching can hurt a team and good coaching can help a team, but in the end the players have to execute the gameplan no matter how good or bad it may be.

I am guilty of over analyzing the coaching/talent/game management and the effect on the outcomes of the games.

There is a point where it boils down to Talent V. Talent.  

My opinion is that coaching has a much greater impact than all these other things combined.  But it has to be taken in perspective.

Attitude, discipline, preparedness, and execution are established by the coaches and then demonstrated by the kids.  But even if this is done 100% correctly, teams will get beat by talent.  

How many teams have you seen with better talent that lose?

[The Goat]

1 hour ago, Jag Insider said:

That is a big difference...

That's not say cheating was going on, its seem a bit inconsistent. 

 

[The Goat]

1 hour ago, txbigfoot said:

Really? 

Then you explain to me the play before the end of the half when Pam is out of timeouts near the goal line. Pam coaches storm the field, where they stayed all night, the Ref stops the clock and goes to talk to the Pam coach. 

What good reason was there to stop the clock? 

Did the Titans have a timeout? NO

Was a player injured? NO

Was their an official timeout for ball placement? Or chain measurement? NO AND NO

I'll wait for your answer... Maybe there is some reason beyond referee incompetence or "gaming the clock" that I don't know of

That's not a bad call.  14 penalties to 3 is suspect what I'm saying.

[AggiesAreWe]

59 minutes ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Huffman and Bridge City....

No knock on BC, they're too dinged up.  That's the only reason I say that...

Not sure how Cleveland is going to get in before Bridge City. Cleveland just lost to BC last night.

[PAT409]

11 hours ago, txbigfoot said:

Really? 

Then you explain to me the play before the end of the half when Pam is out of timeouts near the goal line. Pam coaches storm the field, where they stayed all night, the Ref stops the clock and goes to talk to the Pam coach. 

What good reason was there to stop the clock? 

Did the Titans have a timeout? NO

Was a player injured? NO

Was their an official timeout for ball placement? Or chain measurement? NO AND NO

I'll wait for your answer... Maybe there is some reason beyond referee incompetence or "gaming the clock" that I don't know of

Lol ok,  the titans were lined up ready to run a play with 14 seconds left in the half. That stoppage meant absolutely nothing. If anything it helped the PNG defense set up better to stop the run but ofcourse they didn't. 

[PortArthur33]

Ther was holding on both sides. Trust me.  Lol. I made it my business to pay close attention to the PNG Oline and as I thought, they couldn't block McMillan and Calvin clean most of the night.  I've also been told the the video says the same.  People lie, its hard to deny video.

[RoschonsBigBro]

6 minutes ago, PortArthur33 said:

Ther was holding on both sides. Trust me.  Lol. I made it my business to pay close attention to the PNG Oline and as I thought, they couldn't block McMillan and Calvin clean most of the night.  I've also been told the the video says the same.  People lie, its hard to deny video.

I love this. This is great.

[PortArthur33]

7 minutes ago, ROSCHONSBIGBRO said:

I love this. This is great.

Oh, my bad.  The holding was on sided. Lol. Ever notice when the penalties really started.  That has nothing to do with your brother being a hell of a qb or Riggs being the best WR in the district.  The video is irrefutable.  Not my opinion, just fact. Like I said on a post before, you can make that call damn near on every play. Js

[txbigfoot]

47 minutes ago, PAT409 said:

Lol ok,  the titans were lined up ready to run a play with 14 seconds left in the half. That stoppage meant absolutely nothing. If anything it helped the PNG defense set up better to stop the run but ofcourse they didn't. 

Sure hindsight is 2020 and all that jazz. PAM could have just as easily rushed the play and had a fumble, a false start, etc.

The point is... The officials were incompetent. That is true. But it wasn't due to biased opinions. There were plenty of missed calls to go around. There were some sketchy ones as well. 

What I take issues with is the insuation that PNG had any influence at all on these Houston chapter of officials. That is stupid, childish, and basically reaks of "sore loser". IMO that type of thinking, casting blame and not taking responsibility for your own actions, is what is hurting or younger generation. 

 

 

19 hours ago, PAT409 said:

Well someone earlier said that the refs are usually only involved when it comes to mid-county teams and from what I've seen so far the last couple of years it seems to be the case. When we lost to Vidor last year not a single person mentioned the refs at all as the reason we lost. Yet before we played either Mid-county team this year everyone was aware of the potential swing in penalties in their favor. The Nederland game had some terrible calls but what I saw tonight was not only obvious but darn near criminal. How fitting that every bad call in this game happened to be in the Indians favor. Oh well, nothing I or anyone else says can change what happened. It was a good game and everyone got their moneys worth I just wish that yellow cloth didn't land on the field every other play for the Titans.

Really? 

Then you explain to me the play before the end of the half when Pam is out of timeouts near the goal line. Pam coaches storm the field, where they stayed all night, the Ref stops the clock and goes to talk to the Pam coach. 

What good reason was there to stop the clock? 

Did the Titans have a timeout? NO

Was a player injured? NO

Was their an official timeout for ball placement? Or chain measurement? NO AND NO

I'll wait for your answer... Maybe there is some reason beyond referee incompetence or "gaming the clock" that I don't know of

[PAT409]

12 hours ago, txbigfoot said:

Sure hindsight is 2020 and all that jazz. PAM could have just as easily rushed the play and had a fumble, a false start, etc.

The point is... The officials were incompetent. That is true. But it wasn't due to biased opinions. There were plenty of missed calls to go around. There were some sketchy ones as well. 

What I take issues with is the insuation that PNG had any influence at all on these Houston chapter of officials. That is stupid, childish, and basically reaks of "sore loser". IMO that type of thinking, casting blame and not taking responsibility for your own actions, is what is hurting our younger generation. 

 Yeah you're thinking a little too much into it. The refs were incompetent, we obviously both agree on that. My gripe is that they were much more lenient with the Indians to the point where it clearly gave them a huge advantage. So you're telling me a high school football team never once held or blocked in the back on any of their huge yardage and scoring plays? 

[Shiner]

What I find amazing is a coach from PA actually gave out pictures to people to post on FB on a couple of holding pics. Why are we teaching the younger generation that it's always someone else's fault when you lose?

[Indianforever]

4 minutes ago, Shiner said:

What I find amazing is a coach from PA actually gave out pictures to people to post on FB on a couple of holding pics. Why are we teaching the younger generation that it's always someone else's fault when you lose?

That is a definition of sore loser..that is why Port Arthur has the reputation it does

[PAT409]

10 minutes ago, indianforever said:

That is a definition of sore loser..that is why Port Arthur has the reputation it does

Lol, so just ignore the terrible calls right?  They didn't influence the game at all did they? You can look at it both ways, teaching the younger generation to blame someone else or in my opinion teaching the younger generation that it's good to refute things that you truly believe aren't right. I must have missed the part where PNG's reputation was squeaky clean. 

[Shiner]

24 minutes ago, PAT409 said:

Lol, so just ignore the terrible calls right?  They didn't influence the game at all did they? You can look at it both ways, teaching the younger generation to blame someone else or in my opinion teaching the younger generation that it's good to refute things that you truly believe aren't right. I must have missed the part where PNG's reputation was squeaky clean. 

I was born and raised in PA and graduated from TJ

[BMTSoulja1]

46 minutes ago, Shiner said:

What I find amazing is a coach from PA actually gave out pictures to people to post on FB on a couple of holding pics. Why are we teaching the younger generation that it's always someone else's fault when you lose?

I've seen those pictures.  And those were actual holding it appears..

[Indianforever]

And PNG coaches could hand out pictures of multiple memorial defenders hands inside PNG lineman face mask  but they have more class

[Shiner]

No doubt they were holding, not denying that at all. It's only 3 pictures that don't tell us much more of the outcome. Did PA get a TD, 1st down etc? I can take pictures of every NFL or college game and find holding calls that were missed. The game is over, all the complaining and blaming others has got to STOP in this world.

[griff]

That will never happen on this forum. We all share the horrendous Beaumont chapter for a good portion of the games in SETX. As long as we're stuck with their level of officiating, legitimate complaints will abound. 

[AggiesAreWe]

5 minutes ago, griff said:

That will never happen on this forum. We all share the horrendous Beaumont chapter for a good portion of the games in SETX. As long as we're stuck with their level of officiating, legitimate complaints will abound. 

Actually, everyone is using Houston Chapter in 22-5A and most other districts as well. Local chapter is practically gone.