What happened to D-FW this year?

[tennisbc]

9 minutes ago, Uncle Pig said:

And again; DFW teams were winning lots of state titles before Arlington was ever  made the host of state championship games.

Yes, I agree, that is fact. It is also fact to play in your back yard every year for state has advantages. That is fact, no argument. Yes Dallas teams have been winning since time began. Since state is and will always be in Dallas, can we all agree IT IS and advantage. 

[oldschool2]

25 minutes ago, tennisbc said:

Again, Dallas is a great place to play for the state championships. But you cannot deny that the teams in the Dallas/Fort Worth area have an advantage of playing for state in their own back yard and that will not change. 

Every team in the state knows that they have to play in Arlington if they make it to the state title game.  And people that have a problem with that are looking for excuses before anything even happens.  There is no advantage...it's not a venue that anyone is used to playing in, even DFW schools.  And there are so many people in the stands that it really doesn't matter as far as who may have the "home crowd".   Tens of thousands of people are in the stands that are literally neutral fans.  But by all means...keep spreading the message that schools from other parts of the state have a disadvantage from the start.  Maybe it'll be best for those schools to save money and stay home.  Since it's obviously tilted toward DFW's favor anyway.

[tennisbc]

7 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

Every team in the state knows that they have to play in Arlington if they make it to the state title game.  And people that have a problem with that are looking for excuses before anything even happens.  There is no advantage...it's not a venue that anyone is used to playing in, even DFW schools.  And there are so many people in the stands that it really doesn't matter as far as who may have the "home crowd".   Tens of thousands of people are in the stands that are literally neutral fans.  But by all means...keep spreading the message that schools from other parts of the state have a disadvantage from the start.  Maybe it'll be best for those schools to save money and stay home.  Since it's obviously tilted toward DFW's favor anyway.

It is not about the fans or "home crowd". It is about D/FW teams sleeping in their own beds not having to drive as much as anyone else in state. All teams want to play for a state championship not matter where it would be played. Bottom line is Houston and San Antonio would be great to play for state as well in a rotation, but that is not going to happen. Money runs in the UIL. Dallas is wonderful to play state and players and coach's dream of playing there. You made my point for me, it does cost less to play in your own back yard for the school, team, and fans. 

[oldschool2]

33 minutes ago, tennisbc said:

It is not about the fans or "home crowd". It is about D/FW teams sleeping in their own beds not having to drive as much as anyone else in state. All teams want to play for a state championship not matter where it would be played. Bottom line is Houston and San Antonio would be great to play for state as well in a rotation, but that is not going to happen. Money runs in the UIL. Dallas is wonderful to play state and players and coach's dream of playing there. You made my point for me, it does cost less to play in your own back yard for the school, team, and fans. 

Yeah maybe so.  Definitely better to sleep in your own bed... But I'm still not convinced.  Not a kid playing in the title game sleeps the night before anyway.  And pre-determined sites are a part of every sport, every year.  Besides, it's still no like it's across the street for DFW schools.  Just like some SeTx schools would spend well over an hour or more if the venue was in Houston.

It is what it is.

[tennisbc]

8 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

Yeah maybe so.  Definitely better to sleep in your own bed... But I'm still not convinced.  Not a kid playing in the title game sleeps the night before anyway.  And pre-determined sites are a part of every sport, every year.  Besides, it's still no like it's across the street for DFW schools.  Just like some SeTx schools would spend well over an hour or more if the venue was in Houston.

It is what it is.

Agree, "It is what is is." Money rules and will always. 

[L-Train11]

I guarantee you that any kid, if they had the choice, would choose to play in AT&T stadium. I don’t care if they are from Brownsville, El Paso, wos, or anywhere. I can’t stand the cowboys, but there’s no other stadium that i would choose over that one. And from somebody who’s watched wos win one in Houston and Dallas, I can say that the experience in Dallas was much better. 

I think we as fans think too much into it. These kids don’t care how long it takes or where they sleep. Heck they would probably choose to travel further just to miss more school. They are living in the moment. And the better venue only enhances that moment for everybody!!

[Guest]

18 hours ago, MackLewis said:

I think back to Katy losing to Cedar Hill in back to back games a few years ago.  Katy made very uncommon mistakes for them.  Don’t get me wrong, Cedar Hill deserved to win, but if the game was played in Houston or a more neutral site, the outcomes could have been very different.

Got it: "alleged" home field advantage matters when they lose, but does not matter when they win. Cedar Hill speed and athleticism had nothing to do with Katy "mistakes". Teams never commit "uncommon mistakes" when they play better teams. 

[Guest]

20 hours ago, ECBucFan said:

You think Allen would willingly agree to pack up, load up a convoy of buses, drive 4 hours, stay in a hotel, then play a "neutral" State Championship game against Katy in Houston the next day if they had the choice??

Do you?? Do you?? 

OF COURSE NOT! They would NEVER willing agree to do that! Go ahead, Try it. Call the Allen coach, and see how hard he laughs! 

Unless you can say "YES DEFINITELY ALLEN WOULD AGREE" (and I KNOW you can't, DUH) then it blows apart your whole contention that D-FW is really a neutral site. 

Class dismissed.   

Allen will play the game wherever it is played and make no excuses regardless of outcome. The better team will win the game regardless of location. You have failed to answer/acknowledge/reconcile any of the points made. You continue to bounce around from point to point as each prove folly.

Again in summary: your initial point and (poorly thought out) topic was: "what happened to DFW this year". Once you realized that everything was normal with multiple DFW titles again and 15 teams in the playoffs at the time of your post, you started scrambling to save some of your credibility by jumping into other subjects. 

You are now coming up with juvenile logic/statements such as: "call the Allen coach and ask him".  

1. Why does DFW have twice the teams in finals?

2. Why did DFW have lop sided championship results long before AT&T stadium was built?

[Guest]

20 hours ago, ECBucFan said:

As for as "explaining" anything about Yoe, I don't have to. You  'cherry picked" one data point to try to prove something. We both know things don't work that way. Get real. Thanks.  

"Cherry pick"= facts that do not support poorly thought out topics from ECBucFan. Would Lake Travis and Katy be "cherry picked" also? 

[WOSgrad]

You know, the argument that the venue site doesn't hold an advantage would hold more IF the DFW would have not been crying and catterwallering after the 2015 UIL State Championship weekend.  You remember that one?  That is when Argyle (44 min to Arlington vs. 4 hr, 44 min to Houston), Celina (1hr, 1 min to Arlington vs. 4 hr. 17 min to Houston), Mansfield Legacy (29 min to Arlington vs. 3 hr 35 min to Houston), and Frisco Lone Star (46 min to Arlington vs. 4 hr 3 min to Houston) all fell in their championship final games.  In fact, if not for first year program Brock, DFW would have gone home empty that year.

Now in the years before and after the 2015 Championships, you heard nary a word from DFW (kind like here by some) that the fact that the state championship venue gave DFW area teams any advantage.  BUT OH, immediately following the 2015 championship, the OUTCRY WAS INCREDIBLE FROM the what I now call the Excusoplex that the Houston area and SETX teams HELD SUCH AN ADVANTAGE playing in their backyard.  So to now flip back is a bit of a dip in the hypocrisy pool.

So there have been many good arguments here for holding the championships exclusively in AT&T.  As a whole, the Jones have been much more supportive of high school football than the McNair's and I can see the UIL extending their appreciation for that.  AT&T may well be a swankier venue (although I am not sure that the NFL or those folks that have lawsuits pending against Jones, the Cowboys and the NFL over their seats at the 1 and only Super Bowl held there would agree).

But to indicate some sense of entitlement on the part of the DFW to host these game smacks of nothing but pure snobbishness when some of the best ball being played is done outside of the area.  Right now, I think you should look to Austin and Central Texas (Westlake, Lake Travis, Judson and before this year, Yoe) and East Texas for that. 

And that snobbishness is highlighted no more than when Anything but Slick Ric Renner insists on providing a tally of championships won by the "DF Dub."  I don't know if it makes a lot of folks feel as ECBucFan does, but it certainly does me.

[MackLewis]

5 hours ago, 89falcon said:

Got it: "alleged" home field advantage matters when they lose, but does not matter when they win. Cedar Hill speed and athleticism had nothing to do with Katy "mistakes". Teams never commit "uncommon mistakes" when they play better teams. 

That’s part of it, sure!  I’m not gonna argue that.

If you don’t believe a 45 minute drive, and sleeping in your bed, having a home cook meal, and going through a normal routine is way better than a 5 hour drive, and nothing but a normal routine, then no need to talk to you.

Playing in your back yard is an advantage regardless if you can see that or not.

[gary-us-bonds]

It's no coincidence that the Houston teams whipped that Dallas ass like a rented mule the year it was played at NRG a few years back.

[Guest]

17 hours ago, panamamyers said:

It's no coincidence that the Houston teams whipped that Dallas ass like a rented mule the year it was played at NRG a few years back.

Another brilliant example of tunnel vision and poorly thought out position. How about all the years before AT&T was built? Just "coincidence" back then? "Coincidence" that DFW places double the teams in finals? Do we only look at 2015 and disregard all the other years? Seeking clarity. 

[Guest]

19 hours ago, MackLewis said:

That’s part of it, sure!  I’m not gonna argue that.

If you don’t believe a 45 minute drive, and sleeping in your bed, having a home cook meal, and going through a normal routine is way better than a 5 hour drive, and nothing but a normal routine, then no need to talk to you.

Playing in your back yard is an advantage regardless if you can see that or not.

Definitely "no need to talk" to me until you reconcile the key points of the discussion. High school State Championships are not decided on "home field advantage" in a 90K seat stadium where players arrive in plenty of time to get acclimated ahead of time. 

Just wondering: why does the drive not bother Lake Travis or Katy? 

[TxHoops]

23 hours ago, WOSgrad said:

You know, the argument that the venue site doesn't hold an advantage would hold more IF the DFW would have not been crying and catterwallering after the 2015 UIL State Championship weekend.  You remember that one?  That is when Argyle (44 min to Arlington vs. 4 hr, 44 min to Houston), Celina (1hr, 1 min to Arlington vs. 4 hr. 17 min to Houston), Mansfield Legacy (29 min to Arlington vs. 3 hr 35 min to Houston), and Frisco Lone Star (46 min to Arlington vs. 4 hr 3 min to Houston) all fell in their championship final games.  In fact, if not for first year program Brock, DFW would have gone home empty that year.

Now in the years before and after the 2015 Championships, you heard nary a word from DFW (kind like here by some) that the fact that the state championship venue gave DFW area teams any advantage.  BUT OH, immediately following the 2015 championship, the OUTCRY WAS INCREDIBLE FROM the what I now call the Excusoplex that the Houston area and SETX teams HELD SUCH AN ADVANTAGE playing in their backyard.  So to now flip back is a bit of a dip in the hypocrisy pool.

So there have been many good arguments here for holding the championships exclusively in AT&T.  As a whole, the Jones have been much more supportive of high school football than the McNair's and I can see the UIL extending their appreciation for that.  AT&T may well be a swankier venue (although I am not sure that the NFL or those folks that have lawsuits pending against Jones, the Cowboys and the NFL over their seats at the 1 and only Super Bowl held there would agree).

But to indicate some sense of entitlement on the part of the DFW to host these game smacks of nothing but pure snobbishness when some of the best ball being played is done outside of the area.  Right now, I think you should look to Austin and Central Texas (Westlake, Lake Travis, Judson and before this year, Yoe) and East Texas for that. 

And that snobbishness is highlighted no more than when Anything but Slick Ric Renner insists on providing a tally of championships won by the "DF Dub."  I don't know if it makes a lot of folks feel as ECBucFan does, but it certainly does me.

/thread

[dBerrySports]

No one can tell me why the games aren't at DKR (outside of money). That whole requirement that the host stadium needs to have a roof is so bogus. The only teams that have access to domed games during the regular season on a regular basis are those Frisco ISD teams. I hate to sound like that guy but whatever, IT'S FOOTBALL. You should be able to play outside in the elements.

AT&T Stadium is nice don't get me wrong, but they should not have a monopoly on the state championship games.

[Ty Cobb]

29 minutes ago, dBerrySports said:

No one can tell me why the games aren't at DKR (outside of money). That whole requirement that the host stadium needs to have a roof is so bogus. The only teams that have access to domed games during the regular season on a regular basis are those Frisco ISD teams. I hate to sound like that guy but whatever, IT'S FOOTBALL. You should be able to play outside in the elements.

AT&T Stadium is nice don't get me wrong, but they should not have a monopoly on the state championship games.

I have said multiple times in discussions similar to this one that there are only 2 places that the Texas high school state football games should be played.  At the University of Texas or AT&T.  When you think Texas football, the horns and the COWBOYS come to mind.  Those 2 are the epitome of Texas football. 

I also agree that having a domed stadium shouldn't be a requirement.  Football was made to be played outside and is at the high school level.  Why change it for the state games? If your team can't handle the elements then you are not as good as you think you are!!!  

[Tigers2010]

Does the State Basketball tournament rotate or is it always in San Antonio?

Does the State Baseball tournament rotate or is it always played in Austin?

[Guest ECBucFan]

Here is WIKI for the profoundly blind:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_advantage

Since the profoundly blind cannot see the screen,have someone read it to you. 

BTW, I am still waiting for ANYONE to contact The Allen head coach and see if he wants to willingly come to NRG to face Katy. Betcha not, LOL. 

 

[Tigers2010]

33 minutes ago, ECBucFan said:

Here is WIKI for the profoundly blind:

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Since the profoundly blind cannot see the screen,have someone read it to you. 

BTW, I am still waiting for ANYONE to contact The Allen head coach and see if he wants to willingly come to NRG to face Katy. Betcha not, LOL. 

 

Do you know if the State Basketball tournament rotates out of San Antonio? Or if the State Baseball Tournament rotates out of Austin? (Round Rock & UT). 

[Tigers2010]

Oh sweet, answered my own question with a little google. It turns out, UT's Frank Erwin Center hosted the Tournament from 1978-2014. Now how fair is that, the Austin teams had an advantage for 36 straight years. 

 

[Guest]

53 minutes ago, ECBucFan said:

Here is WIKI for the profoundly blind:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_advantage

Since the profoundly blind cannot see the screen,have someone read it to you. 

BTW, I am still waiting for ANYONE to contact The Allen head coach and see if he wants to willingly come to NRG to face Katy. Betcha not, LOL. 

 

Just got off the phone with HC at Allen. He said that he has never heard of East Chambers and he also said that they intend to win the State Championship whether it is played in AT&T, El Paso, Houston, Alaska or Russia. 

[Tigers2010]

1 hour ago, ECBucFan said:

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Since the profoundly blind cannot see the screen,have someone read it to you. 

BTW, I am still waiting for ANYONE to contact The Allen head coach and see if he wants to willingly come to NRG to face Katy. Betcha not, LOL. 

 

It makes no sense to say "wants to willingly".... If he wants to, the "willingly" part is understood.

He wouldn't want to unwillingly do something. 

The only advantage of DFW is they don't have to face the "rigors of travel". I've been a player, I have traveled to Austin to play, and we didn't take the "yellow dog". Most schools should send those guys on a charter bus. In the event they don't,if riding on a bus for 4 hours a day before your game and not being able sleep with your binky at home before the game effects your play, you probably aren't playing in the Championship anyway. The "advantage" is almost so minute, it is not worth acknowledging. You can poll all the players still on a roster and 90 % would vote to play at AT&T, don't crush their dreams with whining about not being able to sleep with your binky.

DFW wins more not because they take blanky to bed with them the day before. They win because they have more money, better resources, better coach (because of money), better support (parents and community in the form of money), and better players than most other parts of the state.

Take a Zanny and relax lady. 

[Guest ECBucFan]

23 minutes ago, 89falcon said:

Just got off the phone with HC at Allen. He said that he has never heard of East Chambers and he also said that they intend to win the State Championship whether it is played in AT&T, El Paso, Houston, Alaska or Russia. 

EC is irrelevant to Allen, and irrelevant to this discussion. We both know that, and we both know that is a ridiculously poor attempt at "come back jab". FAIL.   

Every legit team has the "intent' to win a SC, just like every single team wants the ADVANTAGE of playing at home. Duh. 

 

[Guest ECBucFan]

19 minutes ago, Tigers2010 said:

It makes no sense to say "wants to willingly".... If he wants to, the "willingly" part is understood. 

Oh my, is pointing out a minor literary error the best you can do? Who knows, I might have inadvertently misspelled a word somewhere along the way, too. You can only hope, LOL.