Hamshire-Fannett 27 Lumberton 75/FINAL

[oldschool2]

21 minutes ago, OneChance said:

Sounds like I struck a nerve with some people on here! I guess you either Love Jacks or You Hate the man!

I don't know Coach Jacks at all.  I just have a habit of defending coaches.  And it always comes back to the same point... It's not the coaches fault that your kid doesn't play or that your team isn't any good.  They are more than likely just not good.  I don't think there's a poster on this site that would argue whether or not I take the side of whatever coach is being discussed.  

[OneChance]

My thought is if you are a bad coach and have good talent you can still win! If you are a bad coach with bad talent you can’t win, but if you are a good coach with bad talent you should be able to coach up bad talent and win some or at least keep the games close!

[drich329]

I tell u what they kids that did quit are ballers...play year round football & basketball...aau & 7on7, plus extra football training during summer outside Hf program. One made varsity in football, basketball.  Other made varsity in football, basketball,track..And their only sophomores. I've watched these kids get yell at so they can handle jacks. Sometimes coaching style dnt agree with ppl but like i said they didnt wanna play but was asked to. Now as far as the games I witness Jack's didn't scream .But coaching was off. Coaching staff needs to pull it together. I witness countless 3 taken missed by a single person ,not follow the shot, Not told nothing. I seen one kid play 1st, 2nd, half 3rd without a break. You could tell he need one. He asked for one. Was granted it but never went back in. Once he said he felt rested enough. I never witness how jacks was with the girls but heard rumors. But I do know the new girls coach is tuff & girls love it and they winning more 

[GoFundMe]

is it just me or does there always seem to be a problem with the coaching staff at hamshire fannett

maybe i am wrong, but there seems to be something trending in the neighborhood of "disgruntled" parents/community who feel as if their son/daughter is gods gift to earth and when not played adequately, it's coach such and such's fault.

i smell a dumpster fire

[drich329]

Who said kids wasnt played adequalety. I simply stated what I saw. As I know of no kid parent has complained to the coach bout playing time or games. Like i said before I hope things get better for HF and coaching gets better and kid buy into Jacks system. I was actually happy when Jacks got job. And wish him success 

[oldschool2]

2 hours ago, OneChance said:

My thought is if you are a bad coach and have good talent you can still win! If you are a bad coach with bad talent you can’t win, but if you are a good coach with bad talent you should be able to coach up bad talent and win some or at least keep the games close!

False.  If you are a good coach with bad talent you still cannot win unless you schedule teams as bad or worse than what you have.  Sometimes it doesn’t matter how good of a coach you are.

[oldschool2]

1 hour ago, drich329 said:

I tell u what they kids that did quit are ballers...play year round football & basketball...aau & 7on7, plus extra football training during summer outside Hf program. One made varsity in football, basketball.  Other made varsity in football, basketball,track..And their only sophomores. I've watched these kids get yell at so they can handle jacks. Sometimes coaching style dnt agree with ppl but like i said they didnt wanna play but was asked to. Now as far as the games I witness Jack's didn't scream .But coaching was off. Coaching staff needs to pull it together. I witness countless 3 taken missed by a single person ,not follow the shot, Not told nothing. I seen one kid play 1st, 2nd, half 3rd without a break. You could tell he need one. He asked for one. Was granted it but never went back in. Once he said he felt rested enough. I never witness how jacks was with the girls but heard rumors. But I do know the new girls coach is tuff & girls love it and they winning more 

“Not follow the shot”?  My single most hated saying in all of basketball.

no offense...but if you suck so bad that you have to chase down a rebound after you shoot, then you don’t need to shoot.  Ever. 

[OneChance]

So a couple of examples of good coaches that produce winning teams year in and year out

Dan Hooks/Cornell Thompson WOS Football

Barbara Comeaux PNG Football

Coach English Ned Basketball

There is no way that these coaches have top level athletes that are just born and raised in the places that come walking through the hallways year in and year out! These are good coaches that sometimes do not have the best talent but figure out how to to get the most out of what little talent they may have in down years! If Cornell Thompson moved to Lumberton (No Offense Lumberton) Lumberton automatically becomes a contender with no talent!

[OneChance]

Since we are talking HF basketball, Coach English moves to coach HF boys all of a sudden they become a contender!

[oldschool2]

11 hours ago, OneChance said:

Since we are talking HF basketball, Coach English moves to coach HF boys all of a sudden they become a contender!

And no offense...but you’re living in a dream world.  If Thompson were at literally any other SeTx school other than Newton over the past 20 years he would have zero state championships.  I’ll promise you that.  Barbers hill just had their 2nd season with a man that won 4 state championships at the highest level of high school football.  Didn’t they miss the playoffs this year?

And Coach K wouldn’t make the kids that HF is playing with a contender of anything.  If fact...let Coach K have HF for an entire year 6 day’s a week.  Silsbee would still beat them by 60+ whether they had a coach or not.

Dont get me wrong...a good coach can make a difference where a bad coach wouldn’t.  But part of the reason I defend coaches like I do is because they make up a small percentage of the results.  It’s the players...always have been.  Even Phil Jackson couldn’t win a ring without MJ or Kobe/Shaq.  Since we’re talking basketball.

[aTmfan06]

11 hours ago, OneChance said:

Since we are talking HF basketball, Coach English moves to coach HF boys all of a sudden they become a contender!

Nope not happening lol. Still have a lack of talent.

[GAGE12]

maybe the fact that hf has had what 5 head bb coaches in 5 years maybe the people need to start looking at why they cant keep coaches and kids . maybe it might be admin and board not backing anybody .just my guess . i have a kid who has played for 2 football coaches in 6 years has run 6 diff defenses and 5 offenses 3 head baseball coaches and has seen several kids move to other schools for ath. that is a fact

[TxHoops]

45 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

And no offense...but you’re living in a dream world. If Thompson were at literally any other SeTx school other than Newton over the past 20 years he would have zero state championships. I’ll promise you that.  Barbers hill just had their 2nd season with a man that won 4 state championships at the highest level of high school football.  Didn’t they miss the playoffs this year?

And Coach K wouldn’t make the kids that HF is playing with a contender of anything.  If fact...let Coach K have HF for an entire year 6 day’s a week.  Silsbee would still beat them by 60+ whether they had a coach or not.

Dont get me wrong...a good coach can make a difference where a bad coach wouldn’t.  But part of the reason I defend coaches like I do is because they make up a small percentage of the results.  It’s the players...always have been.  Even Phil Jackson couldn’t win a ring without MJ or Kobe/Shaq.  Since we’re talking basketball.

Tough to make a complete hypothetical “literal” lol.  But in response to the point you were making, I can think of a school in SETX (not Newton) who has better talent for its classification than WOS does. Not saying they would “literally” have won state with Cornel because that is impossible to say.  But they certainly would have been closer than they were imo.  

But overall, agree with the other points being made. 

[oldschool2]

9 minutes ago, GAGE12 said:

maybe the fact that hf has had what 5 head bb coaches in 5 years maybe the people need to start looking at why they cant keep coaches and kids . maybe it might be admin and board not backing anybody .just my guess . i have a kid who has played for 2 football coaches in 6 years has run 6 diff defenses and 5 offenses 3 head baseball coaches and has seen several kids move to other schools for ath. that is a fact

They can't keep coaches because of how "some" in the community act when things aren't going the way they think it should.  What needs to happen is to hire a coaching staff...and then leave them alone to coach.  Consistency will bring improvement.  But if they're expecting state championships then they're going to keep running through coaches.  

I've literally had coaching friends tell me they wouldn't consider going to HF because of how they've heard parents are there.  Maybe they aren't as bad as I hear...but perception is reality. You can't have a combination of "don't pay anything" and crazy parents.  Might get away with one or the other but having both is a death sentence. 

[oldschool2]

7 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

Tough to make a complete hypothetical “literal” lol.  But in response to the point you were making, I can think of a school in SETX (not Newton) who has better talent for its classification than WOS does. Not saying they would “literally” have won state with Cornel because that is impossible to say.  But they certainly would have been closer than they were imo.  

But overall, agree with the other points being made. 

You're right...I was just making a point.  But I feel pretty confident in the point being made.  Example...I doubt Cornell Thompson would have any championship rings had he been at HF instead of WOS.  Not only because they don't have near the caliber of talent that it takes..but secondly because he probably would've been fired or run off after a few years of losing there.  

[TxHoops]

11 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

You're right...I was just making a point.  But I feel pretty confident in the point being made.  Example...I doubt Cornell Thompson would have any championship rings had he been at HF instead of WOS.  Not only because they don't have near the caliber of talent that it takes..but secondly because he probably would've been fired or run off after a few years of losing there.  

Correct in both HF was obviously not the school I was referencing and that he would have been run off there.  Heck, the parents were crying in Palestine when he was there about how he was too hard and overworking their boys.  

Maybe the best thing WOS has going for it is they have always let Cornel (and Dan Ray before him) do their job and been largely supportive of the way they do it.  

[oldschool2]

7 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

Correct in both HF was obviously not the school I was referencing and that he would have been run off there.  Heck, the parents were crying in Palestine when he was there about how he was too hard and overworking their boys.  

Maybe the best thing WOS has going for it is they have always let Cornel (and Dan Ray before him) do their job and been largely supportive of the way they do it.  

 

That ^ is the best thing any school can do for their athletic program(s).  May not always result in banner years but having that kind of consistency will make them better than they would have been otherwise.  I tell people that all the time...your goal should be to have you 7th-grade athletes have the SAME EXACT offseason program, expectations, strategy (offense/defense), training, etc...that they will have as seniors.  There's nothing worse than having a group of kids have several different head coaches over that 6 year period.  Now obviously coaches have to change certain things based on the players they currently have...but other consistencies won't change.  Every successful school anywhwere...no matter the sport... all have the same thing in common for the most part.  A coach that's been there a long time.

[Spyder53]

To build a program it takes time, patience, work and belief. The coach has to have time  (contract wise ) to implement his systems  ( discipline, workout program , scheme, strategy).

The parents have to have patience to understand this is a process and you don't normally  go from the bottom to the top in 1 or 2 years. It is incremental you have to accept small steps like: better effort, better execution, more knowledgeable play.

The kids have to learn how to work, then put in the work. They have to  start to believe once they start to believe then they can learn how to win. Once you believe you can win and learn how to win then you expect to win. Based on available talent, level of work put in during off season, and teaching of the game the first winning class may only be 7th or 8th graders right. Which brings into play how well all this trickles down to  your Jr High program.

[BLUEDOVE3]

3 hours ago, GAGE12 said:

maybe the fact that hf has had what 5 head bb coaches in 5 years maybe the people need to start looking at why they cant keep coaches and kids . maybe it might be admin and board not backing anybody .just my guess . i have a kid who has played for 2 football coaches in 6 years has run 6 diff defenses and 5 offenses 3 head baseball coaches and has seen several kids move to other schools for ath. that is a fact

Kids don't leave HF because of athletics.

[Raider24]

3 hours ago, oldschool2 said:

You're right...I was just making a point.  But I feel pretty confident in the point being made.  Example...I doubt Cornell Thompson would have any championship rings had he been at HF instead of WOS.  Not only because they don't have near the caliber of talent that it takes..but secondly because he probably would've been fired or run off after a few years of losing there.  

He'd probably been run off during his first two-a-days! That's if he made it through his first off season!

[GAGE12]

kids dont leave for ath .please dont insult me i guess leaving hf for bmt the education is better?

[5GallonBucket]

HF for a period of time was one of the top schools.....when based on state testing scores.

[oldschool2]

1 hour ago, Raider24 said:

He'd probably been run off during his first two-a-days! That's if he made it through his first off season!

And possibly arrested.  

[5GallonBucket]

I've been asked to come there to coach through out the years starting in 2005....wouldn't do it then due to the low salary and most definitely wouldn't do it now and the money is not even the major turnoff.....and I am an alumni c/o 99.  Tarver was the last staple.....along with some of the assistants.  Sadly there are too many cons to being a head coach at that school.

[oldschool2]

12 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

I've been asked to come there to coach through out the years starting in 2005....wouldn't do it then due to the low salary and most definitely wouldn't do it now and the money is not even the major turnoff.....and I am an alumni c/o 99.  Tarver was the last staple.....along with some of the assistants.  Sadly there are too many cons to being a head coach at that school.

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Not sure that I can think of any pros to being a head coach at HF.  Other than simply having the experience of being a head coach...