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7 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Do teachers make that much?

 

Always the response.  And never a good one.

Head coaches that are athletic directors are considered administrators.  Same as Principal’s.  Head coaches that are campus directors, or whatever other title they may hold, maybe considered that as well.

They also are in charge of over 200 student athletes at many places, and some places way more.

They are also under massive public scrutiny.  Teachers not so much.

At probably all the schools mentioned in the article, they probably bring in close to 100K $ per home game.  Teachers don’t.

Posted
7 minutes ago, MackLewis said:

Always the response.  And never a good one.

Head coaches that are athletic directors are considered administrators.  Same as Principal’s.  Head coaches that are campus directors, or whatever other title they may hold, maybe considered that as well.

They also are in charge of over 200 student athletes at many places, and some places way more.

They are also under massive public scrutiny.  Teachers not so much.

At probably all the schools mentioned in the article, they probably bring in close to 100K $ per home game.  Teachers don’t.

Very well said.

Posted
10 minutes ago, MackLewis said:

Always the response.  And never a good one.

Head coaches that are athletic directors are considered administrators.  Same as Principal’s.  Head coaches that are campus directors, or whatever other title they may hold, maybe considered that as well.

They also are in charge of over 200 student athletes at many places, and some places way more.

They are also under massive public scrutiny.  Teachers not so much.

At probably all the schools mentioned in the article, they probably bring in close to 100K $ per home game.  Teachers don’t.

Schools are for teaching.  It would still go on without athletics.  In your response never once talked about the main purpose of schools.

Posted
5 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Schools are for teaching.  It would still go on without athletics.  In your response never once talked about the main purpose of schools.

I agree.  Education is the main propose.  But this is also Texas.  The best high school football state in the USA, and a great importance and priority is placed in high school football.  If you don’t like it, jump on the bandwagon of the progressives and try to abolish it.  Until then, football will remain king in Texas, and the ones great at coaching it will be paid a handsome salary.

You can also run for your local school board, or state representative and make all the changes you want.  I just wouldn’t let your platform be known. You WOULD NOT get elected.

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32 minutes ago, MackLewis said:

I agree.  Education is the main propose.  But this is also Texas.  The best high school football state in the USA, and a great importance and priority is placed in high school football.  If you don’t like it, jump on the bandwagon of the progressives and try to abolish it.  Until then, football will remain king in Texas, and the ones great at coaching it will be paid a handsome salary.

You can also run for your local school board, or state representative and make all the changes you want.  I just wouldn’t let your platform be known. You WOULD NOT get elected.

Never once said abolish football.  Said as long as teachers can't get paid this much then no one should.  With that being said, I would support the legislature capping what high school head coaches make.  It's only fair for the teachers!

Posted
2 hours ago, Reagan said:

Never once said abolish football.  Said as long as teachers can't get paid this much then no one should.  With that being said, I would support the legislature capping what high school head coaches make.  It's only fair for the teachers!

One could also argue that teaching isn't what it used to be. Not a lot of teaching going on when you send kids home with no text books but an I pad.

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What people never take into consideration is that coaches also teach!  The majority of them also coach more than one sport.  That takes them away from their families and their workload is unreal.  Granted, AD/HC's are paid administrators.  Most of them ALSO have to take care of the junior high personnel.  Yes, there may be a campus coordinator, but they answer to the AD.  AD oversees all athletic programs, attends most every game in every sport, works 12 months, and is pretty much on call 24/7.  Teachers do not make enough PERIOD, but to compare their salary to a coach, HC/AD is apples and oranges.  Until you are closely associated to the coaching profession, it is hard to comprehend.  

Posted
8 minutes ago, RanchHand said:

What people never take into consideration is that coaches also teach!  The majority of them also coach more than one sport.  That takes them away from their families and their workload is unreal.  Granted, AD/HC's are paid administrators.  Most of them ALSO have to take care of the junior high personnel.  Yes, there may be a campus coordinator, but they answer to the AD.  AD oversees all athletic programs, attends most every game in every sport, works 12 months, and is pretty much on call 24/7.  Teachers do not make enough PERIOD, but to compare their salary to a coach, HC/AD is apples and oranges.  Until you are closely associated to the coaching profession, it is hard to comprehend.  

Well put!

Posted
6 hours ago, Reagan said:

Schools are for teaching.  It would still go on without athletics.  In your response never once talked about the main purpose of schools.

TeAching would go on, but attendance would go down. A lot of kids only pass(aka attempt to learn) to play. No play no need to show up

Posted
1 hour ago, The Icon said:

Shoot - let's up teachers salaries - don't think you'll get much of an argument there

However, Head Football Coaches who also serve an administrative roll should be paid administrative salaries

Not sure I would agree that administrators should be paid this type of money either!

Posted
9 hours ago, ATTITUDE IS EVERYTHING said:

I found a website that all the coaches salaries expect jasper lcm and wos all the other 499 school were on there and  I seen nothing less than 98,000

That's not a complete list because there are many HC's that make less thatn 98K.  Prime example, the 3 in Beaumont last I checked make a dismal 85K and there are many others in the area in that range or lower.  Hopefully, if Beaumont goes to 2 high schools, the current AD will get those HC's at least the state average of 100K so that we will draw some better applicants the next time they come open. 

Posted

I see Gary Joseph is still at the top. With a $72M facility to boot and not counting what other incentives he probably gets besides the salary. Don't kid yourselves; coaching high school football in Texas can be very lucrative. I'll bet all in he makes more than a lot of college coaches (i.e. Lamar U.).

Posted
16 hours ago, Reagan said:

Never once said abolish football.  Said as long as teachers can't get paid this much then no one should.  With that being said, I would support the legislature capping what high school head coaches make.  It's only fair for the teachers!

This will never be the answer. Teaching like coaching should be performance based but teacher unions dictate their wages and benefits. Head football coaches are usually the ADs and considered administration. Assistant coaches (who also teach) wages are more in line with teacher pay. So, teachers can make more money if they do more than teach; i.e. coach, teach music, tutor, drive buses, etc., etc. It's just like any other JOB in the USA. My daughter has raised her salary by doing these things, continuing her education and moving up in the food chain. That's how it works.

Posted
1 hour ago, Jag Insider said:

That's not a complete list because there are many HC's that make less thatn 98K.  Prime example, the 3 in Beaumont last I checked make a dismal 85K and there are many others in the area in that range or lower.  Hopefully, if Beaumont goes to 2 high schools, the current AD will get those HC's at least the state average of 100K so that we will draw some better applicants the next time they come open. 

Yea I made a mistake I seen some 81,000 after I posted that 

Posted

Coaches in Florida would kill to make what even the lower-paid coaches in Texas make. If you include salary+stipend, the head coach where I'm at now probably makes somewhere between 45-50k. So in Florida, you have to teach (most head football coaches here aren't ADs, it doesn't pay like TX).

People on this board may not love what I say, but I believe this: the difference between TX and FL isn't athletes. That part is a wash. But the commitment TX has to pouring resources into athletic programs is what makes it stand out. St Thomas Aquinas, one of the best programs in the state, is 7A and plays in a stadium closer to what a 4A would play at in TX.

Anyways, to get back to my point. TX coaches have it easier on the pay front, probably a little more unreasonable level of pressure as well.

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