Segregation Now

[BLUEDOVE3]

1 hour ago, Kountzer said:

That's the thing with you and Reb.  You spend all your time digging up your version of reality but when someone finds a story from the other side all of a sudden there's something wrong.  You both are pathetic.

They don't live in reality when it comes to race. Probably some hidden suppressed issues they are holding onto. 

[BLUEDOVE3]

1 hour ago, Englebert said:

When you are asked to leave an establishment, you leave. If you don't, the cops will ask you to leave. If you still don't, you get handcuffed and escorted out. Please show me how you can attribute this result to skin color. I've known this simple fact pretty much all of my life. Are you trying to imply that Black people don't have the mental capacity to understand this simple concept? Or is it that you just see a situation that you know nothing about that involves people of different races, and your only conclusion is that "it has to be the White's man fault". Based on your previous posts, we all know the answer.

You don't leave an establishment when you are waiting for a friend. That's your right and expectations as a potential customer.  When I was in Minneapolis a few years ago, I had to explain to a Starbucks employee I was a potential customer waiting for my order, that my wife had already ordered. 

[Englebert]

5 minutes ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

You don't leave an establishment when you are waiting for a friend. That's your right and expectations as a potential customer.  When I was in Minneapolis a few years ago, I had to explain to a Starbucks employee I was a potential customer waiting for my order, that my wife had already ordered. 

You do not have a right to loiter. If you are asked to leave, you leave. It is the establishment's discretion on whether or not you can stay. Are you just trying to make up laws? If you think that you are excused from loitering if you are waiting on a friend, what is this mythological time limit? Please, try to answer that question while I cook a roast. I have a feeling I will have plenty of time. (And I will have to teach myself how to cook a roast, which will take even more time.)

Now to the salient point. How is the establishment or the police acting in a racist fashion? Is there any proof, or hell, any circumstantial evidence that they were targeting the customers based on skin color? Please, provide this evidence if you think any civil rights were violated. And what makes you think that White people would not have been asked to leave? I've been asked to leave a Starbucks for not ordering. How do you explain that?

[BLUEDOVE3]

3 hours ago, Englebert said:

I'll share a true story with you. I was meeting a client in Houston a while back, and we agreed to meet at a Starbucks. We met there, waited in line, and when we got to the counter, he turned to me and asked what I wanted. I said "nothing", as I do not drink coffee. He laughed because he did not drink coffee either. We found a table without ordering. After about five minutes, a worker asked us to leave if we wasn't going to order anything (the place was pretty busy). And guess what happened next. We got up and left. And no one was handcuffed. True story!

You left out something: "You were not waiting for a friend!!

4 hours ago, baddog said:

White people are escorted out or arrested because they are misbehaving. Blacks are escorted out or arrested because they are black. That is the total black mentality.

4 hours ago, Englebert said:

When you are asked to leave an establishment, you leave. If you don't, the cops will ask you to leave. If you still don't, you get handcuffed and escorted out. Please show me how you can attribute this result to skin color. I've known this simple fact pretty much all of my life. Are you trying to imply that Black people don't have the mental capacity to understand this simple concept? Or is it that you just see a situation that you know nothing about that involves people of different races, and your only conclusion is that "it has to be the White's man fault". Based on your previous posts, we all know the answer.

You don't leave an establishment when you are waiting for a friend. That's your right and expectations as a potential customer.  When I was in Minneapolis a few years ago, I had to explain to a Starbucks employee I was a potential customer waiting for my order, that my wife had already ordered. 

[stevenash]

8 hours ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

You left out something: "You were not waiting for a friend!!

You don't leave an establishment when you are waiting for a friend. That's your right and expectations as a potential customer.  When I was in Minneapolis a few years ago, I had to explain to a Starbucks employee I was a potential customer waiting for my order, that my wife had already ordered. 

Did your explanation take place because that employee asked you to leave?

[Englebert]

8 hours ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

You left out something: "You were not waiting for a friend!!

You don't leave an establishment when you are waiting for a friend. That's your right and expectations as a potential customer.  When I was in Minneapolis a few years ago, I had to explain to a Starbucks employee I was a potential customer waiting for my order, that my wife had already ordered. 

Again, the reason doesn't matter. The establishment has the RIGHT to kick you out. Please show some evidence of a RIGHT to loiter. I bet you can't. I can make that bet because I know that RIGHT doesn't exist. Maybe that RIGHT exists in those secret history books, but not in the law books.

According to you, I can go into any establishment, occupy a table meant for paying customers, and sit there without purchasing anything. If the establishment tells me to leave, I can just say I'm waiting on a friend. And even it is true that I was really waiting on a friend, the establishment still has the RIGHT to kick me out. It is their discretion. You do not have a RIGHT or an expectation to be in an establishment without the establishment's permission.

[BLUEDOVE3]

13 hours ago, Englebert said:

You do not have a right to loiter. If you are asked to leave, you leave. It is the establishment's discretion on whether or not you can stay. Are you just trying to make up laws? If you think that you are excused from loitering if you are waiting on a friend, what is this mythological time limit? Please, try to answer that question while I cook a roast. I have a feeling I will have plenty of time. (And I will have to teach myself how to cook a roast, which will take even more time.)

Now to the salient point. How is the establishment or the police acting in a racist fashion? Is there any proof, or hell, any circumstantial evidence that they were targeting the customers based on skin color? Please, provide this evidence if you think any civil rights were violated. And what makes you think that White people would not have been asked to leave? I've been asked to leave a Starbucks for not ordering. How do you explain that?

Maybe you are passing for white! But I am not faulting the police. Starbucks WILL review their policies, trust me. That's an individual management call. For all we know, that employee is a regular participant on the political forum, and we know how you people are... 

[Tigers2010]

20 minutes ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

Maybe you are passing for white! But I am not faulting the police. Starbucks WILL review their policies, trust me. That's an individual management call. For all we know, that employee is a regular participant on the political forum, and we know how you people are... 

I think the manager will be fired. Starbucks has already come out with several statements. Most of the statements made it seem like the manager is going to be canned. The police should have never been called. I would probably fire the worker and the manager. I get policies on people not being able to be there unless they are buying. However, some discretion should be used. 

As for the bold, I hate that generalist statement. Not all people are the same. Some get grouped unfairly, both white and black. Isn't changing that what we are all looking do to?

[AggiesAreWe]

23 minutes ago, Tigers2010 said:

I think the manager will be fired. Starbucks has already come out with several statements. Most of the statements made it seem like the manager is going to be canned. The police should have never been called. I would probably fire the worker and the manager. I get policies on people not being able to be there unless they are buying. However, some discretion should be used. 

As for the bold, I hate that generalist statement. Not all people are the same. Some get grouped unfairly, both white and black. Isn't changing that what we are all looking do to?

I think Dove is good with the status quo. Gives him something to live for.

[BLUEDOVE3]

31 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I think Dove is good with the status quo. Gives him something to live for.

AggiesAreNot, hey buddy, long time no hear from and thanks for defining my status quote

[BLUEDOVE3]

Tigers 2010, the problem with your last statement is that some people IN POWER aren't comfortable with change. This Starbucks incident is just another example of a person overreacting with policies from their corporate office. True story : Me and 3other friends stopped at a Waffle House near Orange several years ago. We were asked to pre-pay for our meals. I asked the white customers did they pre-pay. And we already know what their answer was, even though they hesitated with their answers. The security guard stands behind me as if I am a threat. Anyway, my Negro friends persuade me to just get up and walk out and we leave. But that incident could have gone many different ways (legally, physically, etc). More to the story but I'll stop there. This stuff happens. 

[Tigers2010]

1 hour ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

Tigers 2010, the problem with your last statement is that some people IN POWER aren't comfortable with change. This Starbucks incident is just another example of a person overreacting with policies from their corporate office. True story : Me and 3other friends stopped at a Waffle House near Orange several years ago. We were asked to pre-pay for our meals. I asked the white customers did they pre-pay. And we already know what their answer was, even though they hesitated with their answers. The security guard stands behind me as if I am a threat. Anyway, my Negro friends persuade me to just get up and walk out and we leave. But that incident could have gone many different ways (legally, physically, etc). More to the story but I'll stop there. This stuff happens. 

I hate to hear that something like that would take place. It makes no sense to prepay for a meal. I have never heard of something like that or overheard something like that happening to someone. That is legit crazy.

I agree people in power are required for changes that need to take place. But, just because they are required doesn't mean they are the only ones that matter. How I treat you matters and how you treat me matters. It starts with people like us and others on this board. We could all communicate with each other better. It's all a matter of treating each other with more respect. There will always be whites and blacks alike that pull us apart but if the vast majority continues to pull together progress will be made. Maybe I'm thinking too simplistic, but if people just treated each other better and stop letting isolated instances or the small fraction of people with flawed views divide us, we will be alot better off.

[Englebert]

3 hours ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

Maybe you are passing for white! But I am not faulting the police. Starbucks WILL review their policies, trust me. That's an individual management call. For all we know, that employee is a regular participant on the political forum, and we know how you people are... 

What policies will they review? Will they change their policy so that anyone can loiter in their store without making a purchase? How many homeless people will occupy their tables during inclement weather? Will paying customers even be able to sit down during these times? Since that policy has a purpose, then how would you change it to be fair to everyone? It seems to me the change in policy that you are endorsing is that Black people should be treated the same as White people in this particular establishment. I asked you earlier, and you ignored the question. But I will ask again. What makes you think race played a part in this incident? What evidence do you have that suggests these patrons were asked to leave because of the color of their skin? If you have some evidence, please let us in on it. If you don't, then what policy are you advocating for change?

And we know for an absolute fact that you have no clue how any people are.

[baddog]

2 hours ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

Tigers 2010, the problem with your last statement is that some people IN POWER aren't comfortable with change. This Starbucks incident is just another example of a person overreacting with policies from their corporate office. True story : Me and 3other friends stopped at a Waffle House near Orange several years ago. We were asked to pre-pay for our meals. I asked the white customers did they pre-pay. And we already know what their answer was, even though they hesitated with their answers. The security guard stands behind me as if I am a threat. Anyway, my Negro friends persuade me to just get up and walk out and we leave. But that incident could have gone many different ways (legally, physically, etc). More to the story but I'll stop there. This stuff happens. 

Just curious, did you ask the Hispanic or Asian customers if they pre paid? That's part of the problem right there. Until you are willing to admit that, then you are perpetuating division.

[BLUEDOVE3]

2 hours ago, Englebert said:

What policies will they review? Will they change their policy so that anyone can loiter in their store without making a purchase? How many homeless people will occupy their tables during inclement weather? Will paying customers even be able to sit down during these times? Since that policy has a purpose, then how would you change it to be fair to everyone? It seems to me the change in policy that you are endorsing is that Black people should be treated the same as White people in this particular establishment. I asked you earlier, and you ignored the question. But I will ask again. What makes you think race played a part in this incident? What evidence do you have that suggests these patrons were asked to leave because of the color of their skin? If you have some evidence, please let us in on it. If you don't, then what policy are you advocating for change?

And we know for an absolute fact that you have no clue how any people are.

Race plays a big part in our lives. Stop trying to minimize race problems in this country. This makes you a part of the problem. 

[Englebert]

31 minutes ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

Race plays a big part in our lives. Stop trying to minimize race problems in this country. This makes you a part of the problem. 

Quit trying to make race the overwhelming part of the problems of your life. That makes you a bigger/biggest part of the problem!

[BLUEDOVE3]

22 hours ago, Englebert said:

You do not have a right to loiter. If you are asked to leave, you leave. It is the establishment's discretion on whether or not you can stay. Are you just trying to make up laws? If you think that you are excused from loitering if you are waiting on a friend, what is this mythological time limit? Please, try to answer that question while I cook a roast. I have a feeling I will have plenty of time. (And I will have to teach myself how to cook a roast, which will take even more time.)

Now to the salient point. How is the establishment or the police acting in a racist fashion? Is there any proof, or hell, any circumstantial evidence that they were targeting the customers based on skin color? Please, provide this evidence if you think any civil rights were violated. And what makes you think that White people would not have been asked to leave? I've been asked to leave a Starbucks for not ordering. How do you explain that?

I find it interesting that YOU can't admit there was an unconscious bias moment by the manage (but that's your issue). Most of the Starbucks I've visited have always been out of town. There are usually people there on their computers and everyone there don't always have a cup on their table. Have you ever attended  Starbucks near a college campus? Pay attention nt time. It's a spot where people meet. 

[BLUEDOVE3]

1 hour ago, Englebert said:

Quit trying to make race the overwhelming part of the problems of your life. That makes you a bigger/biggest part of the problem!

And you need to realize, race matters. Stop ignoring it. 

[BLUEDOVE3]

5 hours ago, baddog said:

Just curious, did you ask the Hispanic or Asian customers if they pre paid? That's part of the problem right there. Until you are willing to admit that, then you are perpetuating division.

That's dumb. Stop ignoring the issues of race on this country. Wow!! 

[baddog]

12 minutes ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

That's dumb. Stop ignoring the issues of race on this country. Wow!! 

What's dumb is you only asking white people. Stop perpetuating the racial divide in this country. People like you is why there is one.

[Englebert]

1 hour ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

I find it interesting that YOU can't admit there was an unconscious bias moment by the manage (but that's your issue). Most of the Starbucks I've visited have always been out of town. There are usually people there on their computers and everyone there don't always have a cup on their table. Have you ever attended  Starbucks near a college campus? Pay attention nt time. It's a spot where people meet. 

I find it interesting that you feel safe to negatively stereotype the workers at Starbucks who you've never met. I also find it interesting that you feel you are prophetic or intellectually gifted enough to somehow delve deep into the intellectual consciousness of the management of a Starbucks you've never been to, and again, people you've never even met. I also find it interesting that you ran like a frightened schoolgirl every time I've asked you to provide evidence of racial bias in this topic, although you have already convicted multiple people for said bias. I also find it laughingly absurd that you have the unmitigated gall to expect me to admit to something you or I have no proof of. Can you get any lower or sadder? I'm open minded...if you have proof of racial bias, show it. You on the other hand, have convicted people without even the slightest hint of circumstantial evidence. You even tried to invent nonexistent laws to make your point.

So since you run from the pertinent questions, why don't we get to the heart of the matter. Why do you hate White people? How come you deflect from the real questions by questioning the motive or morality of the person asking the pertinent questions? Please, please, oh please keep posting. Your hate is becoming readily evident to even the most ardent deniers. And for the fourth time, what evidence do you have that the police or management or workers of Starbucks acted in a racially biased manner. The question is...will you still run like a frightened schoolgirl from the question. The next question should be, should we be laughing at you or feeling sorry for you.

[Kountzer]

I don't hate white people.  You're not important enough to hate.  I can think of better ways of going to hell.   You're just a professional character assassin, and slimmer.  

[Kountzer]

And when you addressing me you need to shorten your paragraphs.  I don't have time to wade though all that brain sewage you be spilling out.

[BLUEDOVE3]

(Today) Torrence California Starbucks: Manager denies Black male code to bathroom because he has not ordered. Same Black male notices white patron leaving bathroom and then goes to counter to order. Oh oh!!! 

[Kountzer]

I've only been to starbucks a handful of times.  Stuff in there is too expensive, and most of it, if not all of it, is detrimental to your health.  Same thing with sunday churches.  Band me if you want to.  You're worshipping on the wrong day anyway.  Block me from something good and I'll be mildly concerned.