School Shooting

[baddog]

Texas high school shooting leaves 8-10 dead, 1 suspect in custody, 1 detained

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[jv_coach]

So with these schools shootings, people are calling for more armed officers at school, more metal detectors, more mental health awareness. Does anybody else not see that if you need armed police officers, metal detectors, mental health professionals at school the problem is within the schools and  not the guns. The problem is there is no discipline in schools. How dare a a teacher use corporal punishment on your kid, because your kid never does wrong. Its the other kids fault, it's the teachers fault, we discourage personal responsibility and we act dumbfounded when a kid just continues to make decisions based on the sad fact that they have never faced real  consequences for their actions. The problem is we think kids are innocent of evil desires but they are not. We act like the music they listen to, the books they read, or the media they use has no influence over their actions. Then we got teachers and administrators who find their worth as people based on if the kids like them, instead of making them learn, we got teachers and administrators with no backbone and just do what they are told without worrying about the implications of their spineless decision making.  We got teachers who agree with the absurdity of boys and girls should use the same bathrooms and locker rooms. We have boys winning girls sporting events in the name of tolerance for the LGBT perversion.
Well people we tolerate a lot of bogus political correctness ideology in schools up to this point, so we might just have to tolerate school shootings now. Sadly nothing happens overnight and neither was this travesty we built, called modern public education.

 

So the finger needs to be pointed at the people who said " Corporal punishment is wrong"  the people who say "kids with mental health issues should be allowed in schools", those who think its ok for kids with gang affiliation to be in a school to start with, blame people who say "we should think based on our feelings not on what is true", blame those who say " George Washington is bad ,but Che Guevara is good"  and we should blame those who hate God so much that the mere reference to God in schools or to pray in Jesus name is ,in these progressive minded people, the downfall of a western society. Blame the guns if you want, but whatever you do, never blame the evil that lies in each of our own hearts, and never demand from yourself and your children any type of moral excellence.

 

High schools are just a microcosm of the problem in society and the real problem is that our society is immoral, hedonistic, narcissistic  and godless. Our culture believes nothing is wrong so don't you dare judge me, and that God will never judge us for our sins, but our conscience tells us that  there is moral truths that

[stevenash]

Well stated sir.  And remember that so much of this "problem" arises from the perpetuation of " I CARE MORE than you do"

[no-look]

Preach it JV-coach!  A lot  goes back to the break down of the home. 

[Big girl]

If the aforementioned  problems exist, why are guns so accessible?

[Englebert]

6 minutes ago, Big girl said:

If the aforementioned  problems exist, why are guns so accessible?

For protection against aforementioned problems.

Do you really want to inject your wing-nut, glutted diaper, whiny, un-American Liberal policies into this topic?

[stevenash]

5 hours ago, Big girl said:

If the aforementioned  problems exist, why are guns so accessible?

Guns have been accessible for a long time before these type incidents took place frequently.

[baddog]

10 hours ago, stevenash said:

Guns have been accessible for a long time before these type incidents took place frequently.

We never had these problems in school. Our differences were settled in the alley by the 7-11. Worked like a champ. Like coach said, this is the unspanked generations.

Big girl wants to get her gun agenda in there when she/he should point that liberal finger at herself for her/his politically correct views and insane liberal policies which allow these types of individuals to flourish.

[tvc184]

On 5/19/2018 at 0:02 PM, Big girl said:

If the aforementioned  problems exist, why are guns so accessible?

Reading comprehension and the ability to reason are essential in this case. 

The OP talks about a lack of discipline, tolerance for perversion, etc., as being a driving force in today’s school. 

When I was 8 years old my father would have me walk to a convenience store about two blocks  from my house. When I got there I would buy a  box of .22 short bullets for 25 cents.  Then my father and I would go to the canal near my house and shoot at turtles and snakes and things floating in the water etc. Sometimes I would do the same thing but he was not with me. So here is a young child allowed to buy bullets and walk on a public roadway with a rifle. No one bothered, no one called the police, no one challenge anything and just excepted that as life.  The point is that anyone could have a firearm and anyone could buy bullets yet we had no mass murders and probably nowhere near the violence of today. There were no gang shootings, people did not have fear to live in a city for being shot randomly, etc. We drove around town with shotguns and rifles exposed in the back of our trucks window racks.  We sometimes brought them to school. People did not call the police and we were in no fear of people breaking into our pickup trucks in a parking lot just to get their hands on any gun that was seen.  In fact there was almost no need because you can simply buy one. 

 So what has changed? Why could a small child get his hands on a firearm and buy his own ammunition and yet there was no fear in society? 

 It isn’t the number of guns that is the problem. It is not the access to guns that is the problem because they are much more restricted now than when I was growing up. 

 Not all but much of the problem is exposed in the OP.   Everybody gets a trophy, no one gets their feelings hurt, you get to walk across the stage and get a diploma even though there is no way you will ever earn one, and other such nonsense of tolerance and no punishment for bad behavior is much of the issue  

It isn’t access to guns that is remotely the issue in American society today  

 

[77]

we once had a great hospital in Rusk Tx and many more like it for people like these shooters. The liberal hug fest and everyone gets a trophy mentality has changed all that and mainstreamed these crazies so this it what you end up with!

[jv_coach]

52 minutes ago, 77 said:

we once had a great hospital in Rusk Tx and many more like it for people like these shooters. The liberal hug fest and everyone gets a trophy mentality has changed all that and mainstreamed these crazies so this it what you end up with!

They closed the mental hospital down? 

[77]

i dont know but the sure dont send near enough nut cases there!

 

[Ty Cobb]

18 hours ago, tvc184 said:

Everybody gets a trophy, no one gets their feelings hurt, you get to walk across the stage and get a diploma even though there is no way you will ever earn one, and other such nonsense of tolerance and no punishment for bad behavior is much of the issue  

This is 100% true and is allowed in public schools because of the special education laws.

[Eagle11]

On 5/18/2018 at 1:40 PM, jv_coach said:

So with these schools shootings, people are calling for more armed officers at school, more metal detectors, more mental health awareness. Does anybody else not see that if you need armed police officers, metal detectors, mental health professionals at school the problem is within the schools and  not the guns. The problem is there is no discipline in schools. How dare a a teacher use corporal punishment on your kid, because your kid never does wrong. Its the other kids fault, it's the teachers fault, we discourage personal responsibility and we act dumbfounded when a kid just continues to make decisions based on the sad fact that they have never faced real  consequences for their actions. The problem is we think kids are innocent of evil desires but they are not. We act like the music they listen to, the books they read, or the media they use has no influence over their actions. Then we got teachers and administrators who find their worth as people based on if the kids like them, instead of making them learn, we got teachers and administrators with no backbone and just do what they are told without worrying about the implications of their spineless decision making.  We got teachers who agree with the absurdity of boys and girls should use the same bathrooms and locker rooms. We have boys winning girls sporting events in the name of tolerance for the LGBT perversion.
Well people we tolerate a lot of bogus political correctness ideology in schools up to this point, so we might just have to tolerate school shootings now. Sadly nothing happens overnight and neither was this travesty we built, called modern public education.

 

So the finger needs to be pointed at the people who said " Corporal punishment is wrong"  the people who say "kids with mental health issues should be allowed in schools", those who think its ok for kids with gang affiliation to be in a school to start with, blame people who say "we should think based on our feelings not on what is true", blame those who say " George Washington is bad ,but Che Guevara is good"  and we should blame those who hate God so much that the mere reference to God in schools or to pray in Jesus name is ,in these progressive minded people, the downfall of a western society. Blame the guns if you want, but whatever you do, never blame the evil that lies in each of our own hearts, and never demand from yourself and your children any type of moral excellence.

 

High schools are just a microcosm of the problem in society and the real problem is that our society is immoral, hedonistic, narcissistic  and godless. Our culture believes nothing is wrong so don't you dare judge me, and that God will never judge us for our sins, but our conscience tells us that  there is moral truths that

I nominate for post of the year

[5GallonBucket]

how the heck did this guy not get gunned down?  should ve sent in the town militia. 

[baddog]

16 hours ago, 5GallonBucket said:

how the heck did this guy not get gunned down?  should ve sent in the town militia. 

I believe he surrendered. I would have taken one last shot at him, but that's just me.

[Hagar]

On 5/18/2018 at 1:40 PM, jv_coach said:

So with these schools shootings, people are calling for more armed officers at school, more metal detectors, more mental health awareness. Does anybody else not see that if you need armed police officers, metal detectors, mental health professionals at school the problem is within the schools and  not the guns. The problem is there is no discipline in schools. How dare a a teacher use corporal punishment on your kid, because your kid never does wrong. Its the other kids fault, it's the teachers fault, we discourage personal responsibility and we act dumbfounded when a kid just continues to make decisions based on the sad fact that they have never faced real  consequences for their actions. The problem is we think kids are innocent of evil desires but they are not. We act like the music they listen to, the books they read, or the media they use has no influence over their actions. Then we got teachers and administrators who find their worth as people based on if the kids like them, instead of making them learn, we got teachers and administrators with no backbone and just do what they are told without worrying about the implications of their spineless decision making.  We got teachers who agree with the absurdity of boys and girls should use the same bathrooms and locker rooms. We have boys winning girls sporting events in the name of tolerance for the LGBT perversion.
Well people we tolerate a lot of bogus political correctness ideology in schools up to this point, so we might just have to tolerate school shootings now. Sadly nothing happens overnight and neither was this travesty we built, called modern public education.

 

So the finger needs to be pointed at the people who said " Corporal punishment is wrong"  the people who say "kids with mental health issues should be allowed in schools", those who think its ok for kids with gang affiliation to be in a school to start with, blame people who say "we should think based on our feelings not on what is true", blame those who say " George Washington is bad ,but Che Guevara is good"  and we should blame those who hate God so much that the mere reference to God in schools or to pray in Jesus name is ,in these progressive minded people, the downfall of a western society. Blame the guns if you want, but whatever you do, never blame the evil that lies in each of our own hearts, and never demand from yourself and your children any type of moral excellence.

 

High schools are just a microcosm of the problem in society and the real problem is that our society is immoral, hedonistic, narcissistic  and godless. Our culture believes nothing is wrong so don't you dare judge me, and that God will never judge us for our sins, but our conscience tells us that  there is moral truths that

Sometimes jv_coach, you’re scary smart !

Corporal Punishment = discipline.  Long term solution, bring back discipline to schools, because so few see it at home.  And parents that don’t like it can home school their little brats.  I posted a time or two about about a news report (60 Minutes?) I saw many years ago about military schools scoring much higher than public schools in test.  That report emphasized discipline.  Here’s another by the NYT, but heaven forbid they mention discipline.  

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[jv_coach]

On 5/23/2018 at 9:36 PM, REBgp said:

Sometimes jv_coach, you’re scary smart !

Corporal Punishment = discipline.  Long term solution, bring back discipline to schools, because so few see it at home.  And parents that don’t like it can home school their little brats.  I posted a time or two about about a news report (60 Minutes?) I saw many years ago about military schools scoring much higher than public schools in test.  That report emphasized discipline.  Here’s another by the NYT, but heaven forbid they mention discipline.  

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Thanks I am usually just scary looking... 

[jv_coach]

On 5/21/2018 at 0:53 PM, Eagle11 said:

I nominate for post of the year

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