Fact Checking The New Socialist Darling!

[LumRaiderFan]

32 minutes ago, UT alum said:

 

They still have better overall health outcomes measured in term of infant mortality, obesity, diabetes, heart disease.

How can a Democrat be concerned with infant mortality?

By the way, I don't believe that statement for a moment...don't bother posting a study/poll on the Canadian healthcare system to back it up.

There are lots of bogus studies out there that show the wonders of socialism.

I can find just as many that blast it.

[baddog]

2 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

How can a Democrat be concerned with infant mortality?

By the way, I don't believe that statement for a moment...don't bother posting a study/poll on the Canadian healthcare system to back it up.

There are lots of bogus studies out there that show the wonders of socialism.

I can find just as many that blast it.

I thought that if the baby died, everyone applauded.

[Reagan]

12 hours ago, UT alum said:

Constitution says promote the general welfare, not mine. Those are three areas that, when unchecked, can degrade the general welfare.

General welfare could be interpreted many ways.  But i don't think it means to rape me so someone else does not have to carry their load.  But since we are on the Constitution -- you might want to read the 10th Amendment.  It states exactly what the roll of the Federal government is.  And it says what is not stated here -- is left to the States. 

[UT alum]

3 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

How can a Democrat be concerned with infant mortality?

By the way, I don't believe that statement for a moment...don't bother posting a study/poll on the Canadian healthcare system to back it up.

There are lots of bogus studies out there that show the wonders of socialism.

I can find just as many that blast it.

You ever look at the CIA world factbook? It has very interesting cencus data and social and economic overviews of every country in the world . It’s not a study. It’s a source of information people can use to form their own conclusions.

[UT alum]

9 minutes ago, UT alum said:

You ever look at the CIA world factbook? It has very interesting cencus data and social and economic overviews of every country in the world . It’s not a study. It’s a source of information people can use to form their own conclusions.

As for the dig at Democrats about caring for infant mortality, I will be equally audacious. It looks to me that Republicans care more about a fetus on the womb than a baby after it’s born. I guess their success or failure is on them once they’re out in the world.

[stevenash]

1 hour ago, UT alum said:

As for the dig at Democrats about caring for infant mortality, I will be equally audacious. It looks to me that Republicans care more about a fetus on the womb than a baby after it’s born. I guess their success or failure is on them once they’re out in the world.

Why does it appear that repubs dont care abou babies after they are out in the world?  Is it because they want them to learn to be a self supporting productive citizen rather than teaching them to always be a victim?

[UT alum]

2 hours ago, stevenash said:

Why does it appear that repubs dont care abou babies after they are out in the world?  Is it because they want them to learn to be a self supporting productive citizen rather than teaching them to always be a victim?

Pretty condescending, that. Access to healthcare, food stamps, equal access to public educaton, Head Start. Just a few programs that benefit children that Republicsns abhor.

[stevenash]

5 minutes ago, UT alum said:

Pretty condescending, that. Access to healthcare, food stamps, equal access to public educaton, Head Start. Just a few programs that benefit children that Republicsns abhor.

I was not aware that it has been so bad to be born in the United States in the last 200 years.  Why are so many people trying to get into this country if it is hazardous to children?  Is  terminating childrens lives before they are born ( and now, perhaps, just after they are born) considered equally beneficial as healthcare access, food stamps, and equal access to public education?

[UT alum]

7 minutes ago, stevenash said:

I was not aware that it has been so bad to be born in the United States in the last 200 years.  Why are so many people trying to get into this country if it is hazardous to children?  Is  terminating childrens lives before they are born ( and now, perhaps, just after they are born) considered equally beneficial as healthcare access, food stamps, and equal access to public education?

Look, this started with asking me three party platforms that are most important to me. I did not mention abortion among them. I’d appreciate you not throwing that card at me every time you feel the need to vilify liberals.

[stevenash]

9 minutes ago, UT alum said:

Look, this started with asking me three party platforms that are most important to me. I did not mention abortion among them. I’d appreciate you not throwing that card at me every time you feel the need to vilify liberals.

So its ok to villify the great history of this country and to contend that the general welfare is not being properly addressed but not the contenders?

[UT alum]

57 minutes ago, stevenash said:

So its ok to villify the great history of this country and to contend that the general welfare is not being properly addressed but not the contenders?

Who’s vilifying our country’s history?  I like to think that both individually and collectively as a society we can always do better. Ever hear of continuous improvement?

[Reagan]

[stevenash]

7 hours ago, UT alum said:

Who’s vilifying our country’s history?  I like to think that both individually and collectively as a society we can always do better. Ever hear of continuous improvement?

Continuous improvement?  Such as a new law, new regulation, or new tax every time something out of sorts happens?  When are we going to ban sugar and fat in order to provide for the general welfare?  I don't know about you , but I CERTAINLY could have done without the govts ill fated "improvement" of the ability of the unqualified  to own homes.  It did exactly the opposite of what was intended.

[LumRaiderFan]

13 hours ago, UT alum said:

As for the dig at Democrats about caring for infant mortality, I will be equally audacious. It looks to me that Republicans care more about a fetus on the womb than a baby after it’s born. I guess their success or failure is on them once they’re out in the world.

Republicans aren't responsible for a baby after it's born...the parents are.  I know this is a concept that Democrats really struggle with, but it's true.

Democrats also like to use this lame argument to make themselves feel better about systematically killing the unborn.

And yes, someone's success or failure is on them when they are out in the real world, which is space most libs don't live in.

[LumRaiderFan]

9 hours ago, UT alum said:

Look, this started with asking me three party platforms that are most important to me. I did not mention abortion among them. I’d appreciate you not throwing that card at me every time you feel the need to vilify liberals.

Sorry, it's a major piece of your party platform that you have to own.

Don't blame the messenger for repeating your own message.

[Reagan]

20 hours ago, UT alum said:

How do you figure military got it right buying $1000 hammers? 

I got to give a shout out to the interstate highway system, national air traffic control, clean air and water systems. A lot of this stuff is contracted out to private industry, but government designs and oversees the projects like any owner. I imagine the Erie Canal was a feather in the government’s cap back in the day. SBA has helped a lot of entrepreneurs. Block grants to states have helped build sanitary systems and transportation systems. It ain’t all bad, Reagan. Anywhere you got gobs of monkey there’ll be corruption, whether it be private or public. Anywhere you got large numbers of employees there will be bureaucracy, private or public. It ain’t us vs them - we all in this together.

Let's look at what the government runs 100%:  The Postal Service.  Runs huge deficits every year.  In the Billions if I'm not mistaken.  Private companies do a much better job.  Now, socialized medicine:  We already have an example of what a 100% ran government entity in that field looks like.  It's called the VA.  Ran terribly!  And this is what you want everyone to be subjected to?  It's always easy to do the wrong thing.  It's easy to say universal healthcare for all.  It's hard to do the right thing.  One has to work at it.  The government is not set up to fulfill this.  Again -- read the 10th Amendment.  The founding father's were brilliant.  If we would have followed their outline we would not be in this 100 Trillion dollar debt of unfunded liabilities.  And you and your side want to make it worst by taking over the health care system?  Like I said -- it's easy to say it!

[UT alum]

2 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Republicans aren't responsible for a baby after it's born...the parents are.  I know this is a concept that Democrats really struggle with, but it's true.

Democrats also like to use this lame argument to make themselves feel better about systematically killing the unborn.

And yes, someone's success or failure is on them when they are out in the real world, which is space most libs don't live in.

Policy speaks for itself.

From infancy it’s all on them?

My world is as real as yours.

 

[LumRaiderFan]

19 minutes ago, UT alum said:

Policy speaks for itself.

From infancy it’s all on them?

My world is as real as yours.

 

What policy?

From infancy it's all on the parents, that's another thing myself and many others have miraculously done, raise kids with no help from the gov.

In your world, no one has to take responsibility for their actions, the gov will always have their back.

The good news for you is your side is winning because the takers are beginning to outnumber the makers.

It will be great for the takers until the makers run out of money.

[UT alum]

3 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Sorry, it's a major piece of your party platform that you have to own.

Don't blame the messenger for repeating your own message.

I answered the question as posed. I support a woman’s right to choose. I don’t support late term. Democrats don’t require we walk in lock step as it appears  the Republican Party does.

[UT alum]

34 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

What policy?

From infancy it's all on the parents, that's another thing myself and many others have miraculously done, raise kids with no help from the gov.

In your world, no one has to take responsibility for their actions, the gov will always have their back.

The good news for you is your side is winning because the takers are beginning to outnumber the makers.

It will be great for the takers until the makers run out of money.

You don’t know my world.

[stevenash]

1 hour ago, UT alum said:

You don’t know my world.

Let me see if I understand this correctly.   He doesn't know your world but you are intimately familiar with his?   translation-  the trite hackneyed banal lefty contention that they are "smarter" and know what is good for everyone else

[UT alum]

8 minutes ago, stevenash said:

Let me see if I understand this correctly.   He doesn't know your world but you are intimately familiar with his?   translation-  the trite hackneyed banal lefty contention that they are "smarter" and know what is good for everyone else

When did I claim to know his world? I don’t define people by their politics, nor do I presume to know their world because of party affiliation.

[LumRaiderFan]

1 hour ago, UT alum said:

I answered the question as posed. I support a woman’s right to choose. I don’t support late term. Democrats don’t require we walk in lock step as it appears  the Republican Party does.

Guilty as charged...we walk lock-step in support of a babies right to live.

 

1 hour ago, UT alum said:

You don’t know my world.

I know your world very well.

[LumRaiderFan]

1 hour ago, UT alum said:

I answered the question as posed. I support a woman’s right to choose. I don’t support late term. Democrats don’t require we walk in lock step as it appears  the Republican Party does.

Does late term have a different outcome than early term?

It's a very simple yes or no question.

[UT alum]

5 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Guilty as charged...we walk lock-step in support of a babies right to live.

 

I know your world very well.

That’s pretty dadgum presumptuous.