longball24 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Posted October 22, 2018 I agree with everything said Woodville O - line is special. Hope they are recognized. Quote
longball24 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Posted October 22, 2018 2 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said: Got to have a QB that can throw it to run that offense. 2 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said: TF would not be running the offense that Woodville runs now. TF would have them running spread which would not utilize the current talent at Woodville. Woodville has some good skill players but contrary to what some think, that great offensive line is what makes Woodville go. 2 hours ago, PlayActionPass said: I agree with that, but if my memory serves me right TF (or his staff) did a pretty good job of developing QB's. All great points. Quote
Alpha Wolf Posted October 22, 2018 Report Posted October 22, 2018 2 hours ago, PlayActionPass said: I agree with that, but if my memory serves me right TF (or his staff) did a pretty good job of developing QB's. That staff member that he had that was pretty good with the QB's is at United but THEY won't give him the same authority that TF gave him... Quote
LOUD and Proud Posted October 22, 2018 Report Posted October 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Alpha Wolf said: That staff member that he had that was pretty good with the QB's is at United but THEY won't give him the same authority that TF gave him... I know who you are talking about and you are correct. I also know that if he wouldn't have gone with TF to Woodville, the one that was going to go is also a heck of a QB developer. Alpha Wolf 1 Quote
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Alpha Wolf Posted November 13, 2018 Report Posted November 13, 2018 Soulja, he finished the year with another win over Killeen Harker Heights. After trailing 28-14, Killeen Shoemaker won the game 44-43. 2-8. I text him and he is expecting to battle of for a playoff spot next year... Quote
BMTSoulja1 Posted November 13, 2018 Author Report Posted November 13, 2018 58 minutes ago, Alpha Wolf said: Soulja, he finished the year with another win over Killeen Harker Heights. After trailing 28-14, Killeen Shoemaker won the game 44-43. 2-8. I text him and he is expecting to battle of for a playoff spot next year... Well, I'll be watching... And waiting... Quote
Yeoj Posted November 13, 2018 Report Posted November 13, 2018 How is it that when it comes to football in Beaumont, everything is considered except if the coach can actually win games? However good of a guy Foreman might be, he sucked at winning football games. Hell he had the RB that's starting for Arkansas and couldn't make it out the first round of the playoffs. Dude was horrible at Xs and Os. Ed Taylor at Ozen and now United is the same way. He's a really good guy but he sucks as a football coach. Too much talent on these teams to be losing like they are. BMTSoulja1, D3zii, SmashMouth and 1 other 4 Quote
Alpha Wolf Posted November 13, 2018 Report Posted November 13, 2018 13 hours ago, Yeoj said: How is it that when it comes to football in Beaumont, everything is considered except if the coach can actually win games? However good of a guy Foreman might be, he sucked at winning football games. Hell he had the RB that's starting for Arkansas and couldn't make it out the first round of the playoffs. Dude was horrible at Xs and Os. Ed Taylor at Ozen and now United is the same way. He's a really good guy but he sucks as a football coach. Too much talent on these teams to be losing like they are. He might have somewhat underachieved during his time at Central but he took over an 0-10 program at Shoemaker and seems to be getting it headed in the right direction. Plus he works his butt off to get kids to play at the next level, even coming out of his own pocket for a lot of the expenses and the kids love him. I'd take him over the leadership that is currently at United. I'd put my house up that he would have won more than 2 games this season with United... dj 1 Quote
The Icon Posted November 13, 2018 Report Posted November 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, Alpha Wolf said: He might have somewhat underachieved during his time at Central but he took over an 0-10 program at Shoemaker and seems to be getting it headed in the right direction. Plus he works his butt off to get kids to play at the next level, even coming out of his own pocket for a lot of the expenses and the kids love him. I'd take him over the leadership that is currently at United. I'd put my house up that he would have won more than 2 games this season with United... Legit Question: Understood that everyone would like to both: If you had to choose between a coach that won football games or one that got kids recruited, which would you prefer? Quote
Alpha Wolf Posted November 13, 2018 Report Posted November 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, The Icon said: Legit Question: Understood that everyone would like to both: If you had to choose between a coach that won football games or one that got kids recruited, which would you prefer? Well neither happened at United this year but since a lot of recruiting falls on parents now a days anyway, win some dayum games coach! The Icon, navydawg31 and dj 3 Quote
dj Posted November 13, 2018 Report Posted November 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Alpha Wolf said: He might have somewhat underachieved during his time at Central but he took over an 0-10 program at Shoemaker and seems to be getting it headed in the right direction. Plus he works his butt off to get kids to play at the next level, even coming out of his own pocket for a lot of the expenses and the kids love him. I'd take him over the leadership that is currently at United. I'd put my house up that he would have won more than 2 games this season with United... Alpha wolf trust me the kids at shoemaker are buying in.i guarantee u the next couple years they will be better.my thing is ppl never gave him the credit on how hard he worked to keep them kids heads out them streets.while dealing with kids grades and there parents.i have even seen a parent want to fight him.me personally ima call it like it is.he could've done better play calling but at the same time.central couldn't stop no body on defense.and couldn't block anyone.even when they had whaley.ppl not knowing how many kids had to get tutored at his house on his own time. I ve seen his wife help soo many kids with there grades.ppl dont know how happy he and Roy are at shoemaker.why I know all this and keeping it real is bcz my ties with him isn't just w.o related. Alpha Wolf 1 Quote
Bootleg Posted November 13, 2018 Report Posted November 13, 2018 20 hours ago, Alpha Wolf said: Soulja, he finished the year with another win over Killeen Harker Heights. After trailing 28-14, Killeen Shoemaker won the game 44-43. 2-8. I text him and he is expecting to battle of for a playoff spot next year... They must be getting closer to perfecting that Jet Sweep. Quote
BMTSoulja1 Posted November 13, 2018 Author Report Posted November 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, Bootleg said: They must be getting closer to perfecting that Jet Sweep. That jet sweep worked like 10% of the time when he ran it at Central. And he ran it like 7 times a game... Quote
Alpha Wolf Posted November 14, 2018 Report Posted November 14, 2018 14 hours ago, dj said: Alpha wolf trust me the kids at shoemaker are buying in.i guarantee u the next couple years they will be better.my thing is ppl never gave him the credit on how hard he worked to keep them kids heads out them streets.while dealing with kids grades and there parents.i have even seen a parent want to fight him.me personally ima call it like it is.he could've done better play calling but at the same time.central couldn't stop no body on defense.and couldn't block anyone.even when they had whaley.ppl not knowing how many kids had to get tutored at his house on his own time. I ve seen his wife help soo many kids with there grades.ppl dont know how happy he and Roy are at shoemaker.why I know all this and keeping it real is bcz my ties with him isn't just w.o related. Good guy and I wish him nothing but the best... Quote
Austin1985 Posted November 14, 2018 Report Posted November 14, 2018 17 hours ago, The Icon said: Legit Question: Understood that everyone would like to both: If you had to choose between a coach that won football games or one that got kids recruited, which would you prefer? Both. In Beaumont, both can happen. A city that produced a champion in '82 and a co-champion in 84 can have schools with deep playoff runs and significant amounts of scholarship offers The Icon, Alpha Wolf, SmashMouth and 2 others 5 Quote
The Icon Posted November 14, 2018 Report Posted November 14, 2018 36 minutes ago, Austin1985 said: Both. In Beaumont, both can happen. A city that produced a champion in '82 and a co-champion in 84 can have schools with deep playoff runs and significant amounts of scholarship offers No argument here I was speaking hypothetically Quote
Bootleg Posted November 14, 2018 Report Posted November 14, 2018 There is no reason that United shouldn't own all the teams in the Golden Triangle. One day ! One day they will get it together and will own this area. Its just a matter of time. Quote
SmashMouth Posted November 14, 2018 Report Posted November 14, 2018 20 hours ago, The Icon said: Legit Question: Understood that everyone would like to both: If you had to choose between a coach that won football games or one that got kids recruited, which would you prefer? 3 hours ago, Austin1985 said: Both. In Beaumont, both can happen. A city that produced a champion in '82 and a co-champion in 84 can have schools with deep playoff runs and significant amounts of scholarship offers If it's a Legit Question, then your premise is a little flawed. If you got a coach that won football games (I mean won like Newton, WOS, etc. year in/year out) then the scouts are gonna come no matter what. Plus in this day and age, even Junior High kids can make their own highlight videos. Hudl, YouTube, MaxPreps and other sites give the ability for these kids to be noticed a lot more than even just 5 years ago. Therefore, if you had a coach that could bring a team wins, then he would effectively be getting those same kids recruited. So, with that thought in mind, your question could only be: Would you rather choose a coach that wins football games and gets kid recruited or would you rather choose a coach that loses football games and gets kid recruited? I'll take the winner please... Austin1985, D3zii and Alpha Wolf 3 Quote
The Icon Posted November 14, 2018 Report Posted November 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, SmashMouth said: If it's a Legit Question, then your premise is a little flawed. If you got a coach that won football games (I mean won like Newton, WOS, etc. year in/year out) then the scouts are gonna come no matter what. Plus in this day and age, even Junior High kids can make their own highlight videos. Hudl, YouTube, MaxPreps and other sites give the ability for these kids to be noticed a lot more than even just 5 years ago. Therefore, if you had a coach that could bring a team wins, then he would effectively be getting those same kids recruited. So, with that thought in mind, your question could only be: Would you rather choose a coach that wins football games and gets kid recruited or would you rather choose a coach that loses football games and gets kid recruited? I'll take the winner please... I don’t believe it’s as flawed a premise as you might think. There tons of underperforming schools in metro areas where student-athletes are recruited. I don’t disagree with your statement of successful programs garnering attention. But there are also very successful teams that don’t have many kids sign. It’s obvious that people would want both, as would I. I was simply asking if you had to pick either, which would it be. Quote
SmashMouth Posted November 14, 2018 Report Posted November 14, 2018 56 minutes ago, The Icon said: I don’t believe it’s as flawed a premise as you might think. There tons of underperforming schools in metro areas where student-athletes are recruited. I don’t disagree with your statement of successful programs garnering attention. But there are also very successful teams that don’t have many kids sign. It’s obvious that people would want both, as would I. I was simply asking if you had to pick either, which would it be. Then to flatly answer your question, I would choose the winning program. Even if my kid was on that team. Coaches are hired to win games. Alpha Wolf 1 Quote
RoschonsBigBro Posted November 14, 2018 Report Posted November 14, 2018 Winning draws attention in itself. Production draws attention. Now add whether or not the parents invest time, money, energy into their kids to put them in the places they need to be to get extra looks and you get, both. If you think recruiting is all on a coach then you are seriously mistaken. SmashMouth and Alpha Wolf 2 Quote
SmashMouth Posted November 14, 2018 Report Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, RoschonsBigBro said: Winning draws attention in itself. Production draws attention. Now add whether or not the parents invest time, money, energy into their kids to put them in the places they need to be to get extra looks and you get, both. Agreed. Like camps, videos, phone calls, talking to coaches on the high school and college levels... RoschonsBigBro and Alpha Wolf 2 Quote
RoschonsBigBro Posted November 14, 2018 Report Posted November 14, 2018 Yup. Dad has sunk a lot of time and money into travel, hotels, food, camps, Qb coaches etc. in addition to what you have said SmashMouth 1 Quote
88Warrior Posted November 14, 2018 Report Posted November 14, 2018 22 hours ago, The Icon said: Legit Question: Understood that everyone would like to both: If you had to choose between a coach that won football games or one that got kids recruited, which would you prefer? Win games..It benefits all the players, the school and community...imho.. SmashMouth, The Icon and Alpha Wolf 3 Quote
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