Texas A&M vs NC State- Gator Bowl

[TxHoops]

20 minutes ago, Lukethadrifter said:

All these SEC conspiracy theories you have. You are always very quick to judge, but never one to "understand" why this is. So lets read "between the lines" as you so eloquently stated.. because sometimes, you just need to look into the mirror to find the answers......

Perhaps some lessons to be learned here in loyalty. Something tu knows little about, hence the flight of schools and reluctance of others to join big 12-2-2+1+1 or whatever it is this week and the reluctance of the PAC 12 or any other major conference to ever send an official invite to tu when all the shuffling was happening 4-5 years ago and the conference looked to be imploding. tu is in it for tu and that is all fine and dandy because they are only 1 of about 5 or 6 schools in this country who can do what they have done and basically get what they want all the time. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, get what you can get (ie, their own network) , just don't expect others around you to like it, that is just human nature. The Texas Tech's and Baylor's of the world had no choice but to ride the coat tails of tu and hope for the best. In the end, you have a conference, but one of inequality and unfairness when it comes to $$$$ and tv contracts, thus resulting in petty jealousy throughout. 

On the other hand, everything's equal in the SEC when it comes to $$ and TV deals. No one is being treated differently than the other. That same model is used by the Big 10 and Pac 12 as well (Not sure about the ACC) Decisions are made in the best interest of the entire conference, not one "mother ship" institution. Loyalty to a conference is not something that just happens. It happens when there is a level playing field and just like everything, that starts with MONEY!! 

In closing, perhaps it is not the abundance of loyalty in the SEC that ruffles your feathers as much as it is the lack of loyalty inside your own conference that moves you to poke and jest at the superior model set forth by the SEC and other conferences. Or is it superior? For tu, maybe not, but for others in the Big 12, I cant help but think that they would love to bite off some of that tu pie and we all know that is not happening in Austin as long as tu is calling the shots for the conference and honestly, as an Aggie fan, I cant say as I blame them because tu has the ultimate trump card in that they DO NOT need a conference. So to all tu fans, don't hate on conference loyalties, because loyalty is a bi-product of equality throughout, not a King and peasantry hierarchy.

Sometimes you not not look any further than a mirror to find your answer........

 

Luke has Spoken

 

 

Dude.  No seriously lmao

[Peppermint Patty]

39 minutes ago, Lukethadrifter said:

All these SEC conspiracy theories you have. You are always very quick to judge, but never one to "understand" why this is. So lets read "between the lines" as you so eloquently stated.. because sometimes, you just need to look into the mirror to find the answers......

Perhaps some lessons to be learned here in loyalty. Something tu knows little about, hence the flight of schools and reluctance of others to join big 12-2-2+1+1 or whatever it is this week and the reluctance of the PAC 12 or any other major conference to ever send an official invite to tu when all the shuffling was happening 4-5 years ago and the conference looked to be imploding. tu is in it for tu and that is all fine and dandy because they are only 1 of about 5 or 6 schools in this country who can do what they have done and basically get what they want all the time. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, get what you can get (ie, their own network) , just don't expect others around you to like it, that is just human nature. The Texas Tech's and Baylor's of the world had no choice but to ride the coat tails of tu and hope for the best. In the end, you have a conference, but one of inequality and unfairness when it comes to $$$$ and tv contracts, thus resulting in petty jealousy throughout. 

On the other hand, everything's equal in the SEC when it comes to $$ and TV deals. No one is being treated differently than the other. That same model is used by the Big 10 and Pac 12 as well (Not sure about the ACC) Decisions are made in the best interest of the entire conference, not one "mother ship" institution. Loyalty to a conference is not something that just happens. It happens when there is a level playing field and just like everything, that starts with MONEY!! 

In closing, perhaps it is not the abundance of loyalty in the SEC that ruffles your feathers as much as it is the lack of loyalty inside your own conference that moves you to poke and jest at the superior model set forth by the SEC and other conferences. Or is it superior? For tu, maybe not, but for others in the Big 12, I cant help but think that they would love to bite off some of that tu pie and we all know that is not happening in Austin as long as tu is calling the shots for the conference and honestly, as an Aggie fan, I cant say as I blame them because tu has the ultimate trump card in that they DO NOT need a conference. So to all tu fans, don't hate on conference loyalties, because loyalty is a bi-product of equality throughout, not a King and peasantry hierarchy.

Sometimes you not not look any further than a mirror to find your answer........

 

Luke has Spoken

 

 

 

 

Man, imagine if you had been this loyal to the Big XII.

 

[Hook'em]

4 hours ago, Lukethadrifter said:

All these SEC conspiracy theories you have. You are always very quick to judge, but never one to "understand" why this is. So lets read "between the lines" as you so eloquently stated.. because sometimes, you just need to look into the mirror to find the answers......

Perhaps some lessons to be learned here in loyalty. Something tu knows little about, hence the flight of schools and reluctance of others to join big 12-2-2+1+1 or whatever it is this week and the reluctance of the PAC 12 or any other major conference to ever send an official invite to tu when all the shuffling was happening 4-5 years ago and the conference looked to be imploding. tu is in it for tu and that is all fine and dandy because they are only 1 of about 5 or 6 schools in this country who can do what they have done and basically get what they want all the time. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, get what you can get (ie, their own network) , just don't expect others around you to like it, that is just human nature. The Texas Tech's and Baylor's of the world had no choice but to ride the coat tails of tu and hope for the best. In the end, you have a conference, but one of inequality and unfairness when it comes to $$$$ and tv contracts, thus resulting in petty jealousy throughout. 

On the other hand, everything's equal in the SEC when it comes to $$ and TV deals. No one is being treated differently than the other. That same model is used by the Big 10 and Pac 12 as well (Not sure about the ACC) Decisions are made in the best interest of the entire conference, not one "mother ship" institution. Loyalty to a conference is not something that just happens. It happens when there is a level playing field and just like everything, that starts with MONEY!! 

In closing, perhaps it is not the abundance of loyalty in the SEC that ruffles your feathers as much as it is the lack of loyalty inside your own conference that moves you to poke and jest at the superior model set forth by the SEC and other conferences. Or is it superior? For tu, maybe not, but for others in the Big 12, I cant help but think that they would love to bite off some of that tu pie and we all know that is not happening in Austin as long as tu is calling the shots for the conference and honestly, as an Aggie fan, I cant say as I blame them because tu has the ultimate trump card in that they DO NOT need a conference. So to all tu fans, don't hate on conference loyalties, because loyalty is a bi-product of equality throughout, not a King and peasantry hierarchy.

Sometimes you not not look any further than a mirror to find your answer........

 

Luke has Spoken

 

 

I just think it's funny that ags continuously find ways to try and compare themselves with Texas and measure up, but the simple fact is that y'all haven't won anything since the Great Depression and now it seems as if y'all realize that but thrive off of the success of what should be a conference rival. I hope bama beats the breaks off of ou in the semifinals, I am a fan of one team, not a conference. Furthermore, I will be the first to admit the last decade has been frustrating as a fan and I'm sure has been great for ags, but I'll promise you this. Texas will win another NC before the ags will, and love it or hate it, deep down you know it's true. 

[Hook'em]

Back to the topic... I think the ags win this one 34-20. 

[Lukethadrifter]

19 hours ago, Bandwagon Ranger said:

 

 

Man, imagine if you had been this loyal to the Big XII.

 

 

19 hours ago, TxHoops said:

Dude.  No seriously lmao

Typical snowflake tu responses. Truth does tend to lend itself to brevity. 

[Lukethadrifter]

15 hours ago, Hook'em said:

I just think it's funny that ags continuously find ways to try and compare themselves with Texas and measure up, but the simple fact is that y'all haven't won anything since the Great Depression and now it seems as if y'all realize that but thrive off of the success of what should be a conference rival. I hope bama beats the breaks off of ou in the semifinals, I am a fan of one team, not a conference. Furthermore, I will be the first to admit the last decade has been frustrating as a fan and I'm sure has been great for ags, but I'll promise you this. Texas will win another NC before the ags will, and love it or hate it, deep down you know it's true. 

At least a credible response, but seriously, where exactly did I compare A&M to tu? My entire passage was about LOYALTY to conferences and how that manifests itself differently in each conference. If anything, I put tu above A&M right? Did I not? Why in the hell would I root for UCF to beat LSU and make for a "weaker" conference?  Where did I say anything about winning a NC before tu? One thing we can agree on, I hope Bama beats OU as well!! Roll Tide.......................................SEC...SEC...SEC..

Gig Em

[Lukethadrifter]

19 hours ago, Bandwagon Ranger said:

 

 

Man, imagine if you had been this loyal to the Big XII.

 

Or if others would have been like Nebraska.....Or Colorado.......Or Missouri........There is a reason why the Big 12 has had these major DEPARTURES, that reason is in the mirror. TRUTH.

[Tigers2010]

There is no reason Vandy and Kentucky should pull the same revenue in football as Bama. Alabama does ALL the heavy lifting for the SEC. You can throw Georgia in there if you want. In what aspect of life should eveybody get paid the same, regardless of the quality they produce. Sounds like Socialism.

[Lukethadrifter]

1 hour ago, Tigers2010 said:

There is no reason Vandy and Kentucky should pull the same revenue in football as Bama. Alabama does ALL the heavy lifting for the SEC. You can throw Georgia in there if you want. In what aspect of life should eveybody get paid the same, regardless of the quality they produce. Sounds like Socialism.

I can halfway see your point with Vandy, but Vandy is "old money". The cash cash ridden alums keep Vandy in the mix, throw in Nashville and the TV market and the SEC lets them ride the coat-tails,  but Kentucky more than holds its share with revenue in the SEC when it comes to basketball and a football program playing on New Years Day this year.

I do have to give you credit though with the socialism analogy because I do believe that theory holds water. Myself, I am a capitalist pig (See my thoughts in original post when I said tu does not have to answer to anyone!!!) All I was trying to get across is that way of thinking does not make for the most loyal of neighbors..... ie A&M, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado. 

And by the way, how do you think the women's field hockey (or pick any title IX sport) at tu gets to travel and buy those nice new uniforms every year? We all know Saturdays at DKR pay for that and much more. Is that not socialism?

As for Bama doing the heavy lifting, I see that as well. Kinda like OU in the Big 12...poke poke..

[Tigers2010]

31 minutes ago, Lukethadrifter said:

I can halfway see your point with Vandy, but Vandy is "old money". The cash cash ridden alums keep Vandy in the mix, throw in Nashville and the TV market and the SEC lets them ride the coat-tails,  but Kentucky more than holds its share with revenue in the SEC when it comes to basketball and a football program playing on New Years Day this year.

I do have to give you credit though with the socialism analogy because I do believe that theory holds water. Myself, I am a capitalist pig (See my thoughts in original post when I said tu does not have to answer to anyone!!!) All I was trying to get across is that way of thinking does not make for the most loyal of neighbors..... ie A&M, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado. 

And by the way, how do you think the women's field hockey (or pick any title IX sport) at tu gets to travel and buy those nice new uniforms every year? We all know Saturdays at DKR pay for that and much more. Is that not socialism?

As for Bama doing the heavy lifting, I see that as well. Kinda like OU in the Big 12...poke poke..

Couple responses lol

1. I don't think so. The school generates that money, whether through football or not. Women's field hockey could be considered the "children". Is it Socialism if a dad who makes a lot of money spends it on his kids? 

2. I understand you point about loyal neighbors. My response is, who cares of? Alabama doesn't care about it's neighbors. I guess under the socialist policies the SEC put into place, bad neighbors would care, but the good neighbors don't. Does it really benefit Aggie if Bama, Georgia, and LSU are great? Yeah, it gets the conference more recognition and what not, and the schools not winning still gets paid. But from a competition standpoint, all it does it keep you at arms length. Aggie is having a good recruiting class, but are still being out recruited by Alabama and Georgia. Why? Because they keep winning. Alabama and Georgia winning does nothing but hurt the Aggies. 

3. Even in The University of Texas' significant down years, they still have competed at a high level against OU, winning several of the most recent.

[TxHoops]

3 hours ago, Lukethadrifter said:

 

Typical snowflake tu responses. Truth does tend to lend itself to brevity. 

I was merely trying not to burst your bubble during the holidays.   Just like I wouldn’t burst any illusion with a child re Santa, I was trying to let you believe in the “loyalty” you’re convinced of.   Both exist in the same realm.  The only thing those guys care about is money, and aggy was merely a tool to crack into a state full of it. It is equally laughable in apparently your understanding of the situation with Texas and the PAC 12, Big 1G etc.   Texas is still the biggest brand in CFB; in merchandising they lead by a mile.  When the NCAA finally falls (and it will eventually), you will see exactly what the perceived loyalty is worth.   

[TxHoops]

But for the record, we do agree on a lot of things on this topic @Lukethadrifter and your posts in this forum are appreciated.  

[Tigers2010]

17 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

I was merely trying not to burst your bubble during the holidays.   Just like I wouldn’t burst any illusion with a child re Santa, I was trying to let you believe in the “loyalty” you’re convinced of.   Both exist in the same realm.  The only thing those guys care about is money, and aggy was merely a tool to crack into a state full of it. It is equally laughable that apparently your understanding of the situation with Texas and the PAC 12, Big 1G etc.   Texas is still the biggest brand in CFB; in merchandising they lead by a mile.  When the NCAA finally falls (and it will eventually), you will see exactly what the perceived loyalty is worth.   

Lawyered

[Lukethadrifter]

3 hours ago, Tigers2010 said:

There is no reason Vandy and Kentucky should pull the same revenue in football as Bama. Alabama does ALL the heavy lifting for the SEC. You can throw Georgia in there if you want. In what aspect of life should eveybody get paid the same, regardless of the quality they produce. Sounds like Socialism.

 

1 hour ago, Tigers2010 said:

Couple responses lol

1. I don't think so. The school generates that money, whether through football or not. Women's field hockey could be considered the "children". Is it Socialism if a dad who makes a lot of money spends it on his kids? 

2. I understand you point about loyal neighbors. My response is, who cares of? Alabama doesn't care about it's neighbors. I guess under the socialist policies the SEC put into place, bad neighbors would care, but the good neighbors don't. Does it really benefit Aggie if Bama, Georgia, and LSU are great? Yeah, it gets the conference more recognition and what not, and the schools not winning still gets paid. But from a competition standpoint, all it does it keep you at arms length. Aggie is having a good recruiting class, but are still being out recruited by Alabama and Georgia. Why? Because they keep winning. Alabama and Georgia winning does nothing but hurt the Aggies. 

3. Even in The University of Texas' significant down years, they still have competed at a high level against OU, winning several of the most recent.

On your first thought, I am simply talking about re-distribution of wealth, same concept, but point taken and kudo's for educated analogies, not something I see here a whole lot.

Second, no doubt Bama gets hosed, but if the entire system were based on performance on the field, then obviously 1/2 the schools would not exist, every winner produces a loser. I cant argue the "arms length" because it's tough to win 8 games, let alone 9-10 in the SEC West, but with that comes higher expectations and a draining of the swamp in Aggieland. For WAY too long, TAMU has been an underachieving bird nest on the ground. I like what Jimbo has brought to town though. Only time will tell, but for now, Jimbo gets a solid B+ from me. He wins a bowl game and he gets an A- in his first year. 

Three, cant argue that. It was just a jab. Even Charlie beat OU. Poor Charlie, I still feel sorry for that dude. 

 

[Lukethadrifter]

1 hour ago, TxHoops said:

I was merely trying not to burst your bubble during the holidays.   Just like I wouldn’t burst any illusion with a child re Santa, I was trying to let you believe in the “loyalty” you’re convinced of.   Both exist in the same realm.  The only thing those guys care about is money, and aggy was merely a tool to crack into a state full of it. It is equally laughable in apparently your understanding of the situation with Texas and the PAC 12, Big 1G etc.   Texas is still the biggest brand in CFB; in merchandising they lead by a mile.  When the NCAA finally falls (and it will eventually), you will see exactly what the perceived loyalty is worth.   

No one wants to deal with Texas Inc....You make my point with "neighbors". Deloss Dodds, as much as I hate that dude, was a revolutionary and was one HELL of an AD and should be mailed a check for every stinkin teasip t shirt and hat sold in this country (or is he dead, I cant remember, maybe that was the President of tu).

As for the SEC gettin into Texas, I think that is a bit over reported personally as the SEC (LSU mainly) already had their hands in Tx pie. But yes, I see your point, it certainly did not hurt the SEC's agenda. As for the PAC 12..etc..see my first line because its true!! Agreed, NCAA is on borrowed time from a legal standpoint. Tick Tock. 

And likewise sipster, I know you are quite versed in everything "aggy" and UT, that's why I made the wise crack. I appreciate your knowledge and good takes as well. 

 

 

[PhatMack19]

2 hours ago, Tigers2010 said:

Does it really benefit Aggie if Bama, Georgia, and LSU are great? Yeah, it gets the conference more recognition and what not, and the schools not winning still gets paid.  

I would argue that it does matter with the current system that we have.  Perception is half the battle in College Football and the CFP.  UCF has the best record in college football the last 2 years and what has that got them?  It was a big debate if OU would get in over tOSU and 2 loss Georgia.  I guarantee Bama would have gotten in over OU if Georgia won that game.  Conference strength definitely helps 

[Lukethadrifter]

4 minutes ago, PhatMack19 said:

I would argue that it does matter with the current system that we have.  Perception is half the battle in College Football and the CFP.  UCF has the best record in college football the last 2 years and what has that got them?  It was a big debate if OU would get in over tOSU and 2 loss Georgia.  I guarantee Bama would have gotten in over OU if Georgia won that game.  Conference strength definitely helps 

+1

[Tigers2010]

47 minutes ago, Lukethadrifter said:

 

On your first thought, I am simply talking about re-distribution of wealth, same concept, but point taken and kudo's for educated analogies, not something I see here a whole lot.

Second, no doubt Bama gets hosed, but if the entire system were based on performance on the field, then obviously 1/2 the schools would not exist, every winner produces a loser. I cant argue the "arms length" because it's tough to win 8 games, let alone 9-10 in the SEC West, but with that comes higher expectations and a draining of the swamp in Aggieland. For WAY too long, TAMU has been an underachieving bird nest on the ground. I like what Jimbo has brought to town though. Only time will tell, but for now, Jimbo gets a solid B+ from me. He wins a bowl game and he gets an A- in his first year. 

Three, cant argue that. It was just a jab. Even Charlie beat OU. Poor Charlie, I still feel sorry for that dude. 

 

I appreciate that. There are very few Aggies that can have logical conversations with anybody who disagrees with them. They are alot like "Cowboy fan" or Liberals. Good debate.

[Tigers2010]

32 minutes ago, PhatMack19 said:

I would argue that it does matter with the current system that we have.  Perception is half the battle in College Football and the CFP.  UCF has the best record in college football the last 2 years and what has that got them?  It was a big debate if OU would get in over tOSU and 2 loss Georgia.  I guarantee Bama would have gotten in over OU if Georgia won that game.  Conference strength definitely helps 

But again, who did it help? It would have helped Bama and almost helped Georgia. The rest don't benefit from that. Conference strength only helps the 1-loss SEC team. That usually is only Alabama, sometimes Georgia.

UCF is a poor example, they are basically a mid-major whose only marquee win is against an SEC team. Any of the power 5 schools go undefeated, they get in. 

[Peppermint Patty]

5 hours ago, Lukethadrifter said:

 

Typical snowflake tu responses. Truth does tend to lend itself to brevity. 

I am here for you to educate me. Please, help me, help myself. 

[PhatMack19]

5 minutes ago, Tigers2010 said:

But again, who did it help? It would have helped Bama and almost helped Georgia. The rest don't benefit from that. Conference strength only helps the 1-loss SEC team. That usually is only Alabama, sometimes Georgia.

That’s who everyone is striving to be.  A 1 loss SEC team will get in most years.  Unlike Baylor and TCU that watched from home a few years ago.  OU and Texas would probably be the only Big 12 teams that would have a shot with 1 loss and even then it is a debate most years.  

[Tigers2010]

6 minutes ago, PhatMack19 said:

That’s who everyone is striving to be.  A 1 loss SEC team will get in most years.  Unlike Baylor and TCU that watched from home a few years ago.  OU and Texas would probably be the only Big 12 teams that would have a shot with 1 loss and even then it is a debate most years.  

That is circumstantial. Texas has not been good for several years, including those Baylor and TCU years. If Baylor or TCU would have had a #8 Texas win on their records instead of #65 Texas they would have had a much stronger argument, and most likely would have gotten in.

If Alabama a goes through one of the droughts Texas has been through/still sort of in, the SEC won't be as highly regarded either. LSU has been down, Aggie down, Florida way down, South Carolina wasn't good this year, Auburn was bad...what saved the SEC? Alabama and Georgia. 

[TxHoops]

8 minutes ago, Tigers2010 said:

That is circumstantial. Texas has not been good for several years, including those Baylor and TCU years. If Baylor or TCU would have had a #8 Texas win on their records instead of #65 Texas they would have had a much stronger argument, and most likely would have gotten in.

If Alabama a goes through one of the droughts Texas has been through/still sort of in, the SEC won't be as highly regarded either. LSU has been down, Aggie down, Florida way down, South Carolina wasn't good this year, Auburn was bad...what saved the SEC? Alabama and Georgia. 

LSU was having a good year until that loss at the end.   I feel their pain - we did lose to Kansas recently.  

[Tigers2010]

4 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

LSU was having a good year until that loss at the end.   I feel their pain - we did lose to Kansas recently.  

Yeah they had a good year, but was playing way above expectations. They have been down for a few years. The transfer QB helped, but they were not the LSU of old. 

[CRUSHCOACH]

18 hours ago, PhatMack19 said:

That’s who everyone is striving to be.  A 1 loss SEC team will get in most years.  Unlike Baylor and TCU that watched from home a few years ago.  OU and Texas would probably be the only Big 12 teams that would have a shot with 1 loss and even then it is a debate most years.  

  Then why is Oklahoma playing in the playoff and Georgia is NOT??