PhatMack19 Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 2:39 PM, Law Man said: LumRaider Fan, I personally know a Officer who contemplated taken his life. Officers were sleeping in their vehicles because they didn't have money to drive back and forth from home and work. The (some) news outlets will not share the stories of those who have suffered medical conditions because they could not afford medication or suicide attempts. If this is caring, I'll pass on a second portion. Expand Many credit unions were offering zero or low interest loans to government workers affected by the shutdown. I would think they would walk into the bank and apply for a loan before taking their life or sleeping in their car, but that’s just me. Quote
LumRaiderFan Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 2:36 PM, mat said: Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what they're thinking. Expand So you think he’s shown himself to be a weak negotiator with the likes of China, North Korea and Iran? By the way, who cares what they think of us...Trump doesn’t. Quote
LumRaiderFan Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 2:39 PM, Law Man said: LumRaider Fan, I personally know a Officer who contemplated taken his life. Officers were sleeping in their vehicles because they didn't have money to drive back and forth from home and work. The (some) news outlets will not share the stories of those who have suffered medical conditions because they could not afford medication or suicide attempts. If this is caring, I'll pass on a second portion. Expand All this over one missed paycheck...really? Good thing we aren’t waiting on the Dems to end the shutdown, it would still be on. Quote
Law Man Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 5:13 PM, LumRaiderFan said: All this over one missed paycheck...really? Good thing we aren’t waiting on the Dems to end the shutdown, it would still be on. Expand You find it hard to believe? We have had people commit suicide for being bullied. Are you serious? Quote
stevenash Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 5:27 PM, Law Man said: You find it hard to believe? We have had people commit suicide for being bullied. Are you serious? Expand Lawman- Is there some way the government can legislate away suicide? Quote
Law Man Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 5:27 PM, Law Man said: You find it hard to believe? We have had people commit suicide for being bullied. Are you serious? Expand On 1/27/2019 at 5:27 PM, Law Man said: You find it hard to believe? We have had people commit suicide for being bullied. Are you serious? Expand Everyone has a breaking point. Loss of family, divorce, bills, etc. My tolerance may be different than yours. It’s not that simple. Quote
Law Man Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 5:30 PM, stevenash said: Lawman- Is there some way the government can legislate away suicide? Expand We can’t even legislate people walking in schools killing kids with high powered weapons. Quote
stevenash Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 Let me ask you another way- If you were President, is there something you could do that would eliminate suicides, poverty, etc.? What country in this world has done so? Quote
Law Man Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 5:01 PM, PhatMack19 said: Many credit unions were offering zero or low interest loans to government workers affected by the shutdown. I would think they would walk into the bank and apply for a loan before taking their life or sleeping in their car, but that’s just me. Expand You had to be a credit union member. It’s easier said than done. Quote
stevenash Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 5:40 PM, Law Man said: Everyone has a breaking point. Loss of family, divorce, bills, etc. My tolerance may be different than yours. It’s not that simple. Expand Always have and always will. A politician or political peruasion will not change that. Quote
stevenash Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 5:45 PM, Law Man said: You had to be a credit union member. It’s easier said than done. Expand And pay pal offered $500 cash advance to any government worker I think the figure to which they committed was $25 million This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up I would like to STRESS THE FACT, that this was done without the government. Quote
Law Man Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 5:45 PM, stevenash said: Let me ask you another way- If you were President, is there something you could do that would eliminate suicides, poverty, etc.? What country in this world has done so? Expand If I were President, I would address what divides us which is racism. I would also address mental health. Canada And Peru have better health care then the U.S. Quote
Law Man Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 Mental health is a serious problem. We don’t take it serious. Quote
LumRaiderFan Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 5:27 PM, Law Man said: You find it hard to believe? We have had people commit suicide for being bullied. Are you serious? Expand Can’t put that instability on Trump...this happens all the time, it’s called a strike. Quote
Law Man Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 5:48 PM, stevenash said: And pay pal offered $500 cash advance to any government worker I think the figure to which they committed was $25 million This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up I would like to STRESS THE FACT, that this was done without the government. Expand Make no mistake, pantry’s, churches and strangers donated. We are all great full. I will pay it forward. Quote
Law Man Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 6:06 PM, LumRaiderFan said: Can’t put that instability on Trump...this happens all the time, it’s called a strike. Expand Cause and effect. Quote
Law Man Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 Guns in the wrong hand have negative effect. Quote
LumRaiderFan Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 I guess Trump should know better than to ask Dems for something that they were all in favor of just a few years earlier. Gotta hand it to the Dems, though...they know exactly how to manage their base to be angry at whoever they choose. Tigers2010 and Englebert 2 Quote
Englebert Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 1:37 PM, mat said: First let me say that I think dem and GOP politics are damaging and shameful to this country. Trump and the dems both drew a line in the sand and Trump crossed it. Pelosi and the dems made it clear, even on the day of reopening that there would be no funding for the wall so we all know the results of future negotiations. So Trumps plan A was to shut down the government for weeks to see if they would give in, playing with our country's well being and employees lives? Plan B is to claim a national crisis? once again, the shut down was useless. Expand Trump exposed Pelosi and the Dems for who they truly are. If Trump would have just proclaimed a national emergency, Pelosi, Schumer and the complicit Liberal media would be screaming from the rafters that Trump made an unnecessary and unconstitutional end-run around Congress. Now that he has shown the Dems refuse to negotiate, he is justified in going around them. Naturally the Dems and media will still be screaming, but those screams will now sound very, very hollow...and childish. So no, the shut down was not useless. It exposed the childishness of the Dems and took away their excuses for not doing their job. Unfortunately, it seems that both parties do not want to touch the illegal immigration issue. Luckily Trump is not one of those. He actually does want to get something done. Step one, build that big, bad, scary, immoral, monstrosity, eye-sore wall. Make it bigger and stronger than the one Obama built around his house. LumRaiderFan 1 Quote
Law Man Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 4:57 PM, PhatMack19 said: Most think when McCain died, Graham got his balls back. Not sure what McCain had on him, but he’s definitely been better since McCain left. Expand McCain said if the President caves it will be the end of his Presidency. Then McCain votes to open government. He played both sides. Quote
Englebert Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 6:44 PM, Law Man said: McCain said if the President caves it will be the end of his Presidency. Then McCain votes to open government. He played both sides. Expand Trump hasn't caved. He is setting up an end-run around Congress...and end-run that has shown to be justified. Quote
Englebert Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 6:15 PM, Law Man said: Guns in the wrong hand have negative effect. Expand Would you care to give your analysis on how we keep guns out of the "wrong" hands? Please list your qualifications, or disqualifiers for owning a gun. If we implement your pending suggestions, would guns be allowed to be in the right hands and disallowed to be in the wrong hands? Quote
Englebert Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 6:01 PM, Law Man said: Mental health is a serious problem. We don’t take it serious. Expand Have you read about the history of how we treat mental illness in America? I'm not disagreeing with your statement, I'm just curious if you know about our history. Where is the line for too much regulation? Where is the line for too little regulation? It is not a simple issue. And fyi, we do not have a way of determining who will become violent and who will not. Quote
mat Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 6:42 PM, Englebert said: Trump exposed Pelosi and the Dems for who they truly are. If Trump would have just proclaimed a national emergency, Pelosi, Schumer and the complicit Liberal media would be screaming from the rafters that Trump made an unnecessary and unconstitutional end-run around Congress. Now that he has shown the Dems refuse to negotiate, he is justified in going around them. Naturally the Dems and media will still be screaming, but those screams will now sound very, very hollow...and childish. So no, the shut down was not useless. It exposed the childishness of the Dems and took away their excuses for not doing their job. Unfortunately, it seems that both parties do not want to touch the illegal immigration issue. Luckily Trump is not one of those. He actually does want to get something done. Step one, build that big, bad, scary, immoral, monstrosity, eye-sore wall. Make it bigger and stronger than the one Obama built around his house. Expand So you are saying Trump had the government shutdown playing the political game (which many claim he doesn't) with the dems? He could have accomplished the same thing by shutting down the border and our government workers would have been spared. Not very savvy in my opinion. Quote
stevenash Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 5:53 PM, Law Man said: If I were President, I would address what divides us which is racism. I would also address mental health. Canada And Peru have better health care then the U.S. Expand Can you show me where people from all over the world go to Canada and Peru rather than the U.S.? baddog 1 Quote
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