Build Wall or Shut Down the Border

[Englebert]

6 minutes ago, mat said:

So you are saying Trump had the government shutdown playing the political game (which many claim he doesn't) with the dems? He could have accomplished the same thing by shutting down the border and our government workers would have been spared. Not very savvy in my opinion.

And you would have been on board with Dems and media screaming at Trump as immoral, deranged, unfit to hold office, blah, blah, blah for doing that. And the wall would still have no funding. Trump has shown that Pelosi and the Dems are willing to hurt the American people in order to prevent him from succeeding on a campaign promise. Does Pelosi's political game sound savvy to you?

[LumRaiderFan]

1 hour ago, Law Man said:

We can’t even legislate people walking in schools killing kids with high powered weapons.

You are correct...all we can do is allow them to be able to defend themselves.

[Law Man]

5 minutes ago, Englebert said:

Have you read about the history of how we treat mental illness in America? I'm not disagreeing with your statement, I'm just curious if you know about our history. Where is the line for too much regulation? Where is the line for too little regulation? It is not a simple issue. And fyi, we do not have a way of determining who will become violent and who will not. 

Good question. My concerns are that we throw a person with mental problems in prison for 5 to 10 years. He is released after spending 23hrs a day in a cell with one hour of recreation. Then he is released out into society. I have dropped off many mental ill  patients to the hospital only to see them released the next day because the hospital is not equipped and there is not a mental facility in the city or surrounding area. 

[Englebert]

4 minutes ago, Law Man said:

Good question. My concerns are that we throw a person with mental problems in prison for 5 to 10 years. He is released after spending 23hrs a day in a cell with one hour of recreation. Then he is released out into society. I have dropped off many mental ill  patients to the hospital only to see them released the next day because the hospital is not equipped and there is not a mental facility in the city or surrounding area. 

Do you know why there is not a mental facility in the city or surrounding area? Do you know why most were closed in America?

[Law Man]

9 minutes ago, Englebert said:

Do you know why there is not a mental facility in the city or surrounding area? Do you know why most were closed in America?

I’m only guessing.  The reason could be because no one wanted it in there back yard. Is this something we can fix?

[Englebert]

I'll give you the short story. We used to have plenty of mental institutions in the U.S. But many people decided that too many people were being held in these institutions. Families were dumping their problem members into these institutions. Many felt that these people should be cared for/dealt with by their own families, instead of being the ward of the American taxpayer...thus the push to close down the facilities. Now there seems to be a slight push to go back to government run institutions. Will the same issues arise again? You bet. The problem facing America is determining who really needs to be institutionalized, and who is gaming the system. There is currently no clear cut "right" or "wrong" answers.

[mat]

25 minutes ago, Englebert said:

And you would have been on board with Dems and media screaming at Trump as immoral, deranged, unfit to hold office, blah, blah, blah for doing that. And the wall would still have no funding. Trump has shown that Pelosi and the Dems are willing to hurt the American people in order to prevent him from succeeding on a campaign promise. Does Pelosi's political game sound savvy to you?

The dems and media scream daily about Trump. It would be nothing new or different. Trump didn't prove anything. Dem supporters have their view and that didn't change. In fact it unified them because this appears to be a victory against Trump. On the other hand, it has to some level divided Trump supporters because he caved. Whether we agree, Pelosi's political game appears to be strong with the help of the media.

[Englebert]

11 minutes ago, mat said:

The dems and media scream daily about Trump. It would be nothing new or different. Trump didn't prove anything. Dem supporters have their view and that didn't change. In fact it unified them because this appears to be a victory against Trump. On the other hand, it has to some level divided Trump supporters because he caved. Whether we agree, Pelosi's political game appears to be strong with the help of the media.

We will see in three weeks. When the media screams that Trump is doing an end-run around Congress, he can smile and say "blame Pelosi" (and he will be correct in his statement).

I find it very discouraging that you think a childish game of hurting the American people in order to prevent something that helps the people, just so your political opponent cannot score a win is a strong political strategy.

[mat]

19 minutes ago, Englebert said:

We will see in three weeks. When the media screams that Trump is doing an end-run around Congress, he can smile and say "blame Pelosi" (and he will be correct in his statement).

I find it very discouraging that you think a childish game of hurting the American people in order to prevent something that helps the people, just so your political opponent cannot score a win is a strong political strategy.

I strongly disagree with the dem and Pelosi tactics. However their tactics were much more effective towards their objective than Trump's was towards his objective.

[Law Man]

1 hour ago, Englebert said:

Would you care to give your analysis on how we keep guns out of the "wrong" hands? Please list your qualifications, or disqualifiers for owning a gun. If we implement your pending suggestions, would guns be allowed to be in the right hands and disallowed to be in the wrong hands?

You explained about the mental health and treatment facilities. I just don’t know how we get around it. Parents have to be responsible and lock the weapons away. A felon received 15 years for having three bullets in his pocket with no gun. He received  5 years for each bullet. I told him he was lucky he didn’t have the clip. The US courts are doing their  part. We take guns off the street, but for the most part the guns are stolen.

[Englebert]

2 hours ago, mat said:

I strongly disagree with the dem and Pelosi tactics. However their tactics were much more effective towards their objective than Trump's was towards his objective.

What is Pelosi's objective? What is Trump's objective. I know. Pelosi's objective is to prevent Trump from succeeding in his objective of helping Americans.

And I strongly disagree with the conclusion that Pelosi's tactics were successful. Democrats might be celebrating now, but one day they should realize that Pelosi's obstruction is hurtful to Americans. And construction of the wall should commence in three weeks. And thanks to Pelosi and the Dems not doing their job, future presidents will employ the "end run around" Congress more often.

[Hagar]

6 hours ago, UT alum said:

Where do you get that most of “far left” is anti-Christianity?

My first reaction is to ask where’ve you been the last 15 to 20 years.  But since you obviously don’t agree, there’s nothing I can tell you that will change your opinion, so I’ll simply list what I’ve observed.  I’m sure you’re aware that in 2012 at the Dem Natl Convention the delegates loudly booed the reinstatement of God into the party platform (why was he taken out?).  In their 2000 platform, God was mentioned four times.  I see a pattern.  Amy Barrett was questioned repeatedly about her faith at her hearing for being appointed to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals (isn’t that against the Constitution?).  And there’s the infamous Freedom From Religion Foundation, based in Wisconsin, which uses its bullying techniques to overpower independent school districts who don’t have the Dollars to fight them in court.  They tried it with the Kountze ISD, forcing the KISD to ban the Kountze cheerleaders from religious banners at football games.  The courts finally ruled in favor of the cheerleaders.  

Btw, to me, there’s a distinct difference between a liberal and the Far Left.  The Far Left espouses Socialism, which is a step toward communism, and we all know neither of those systems look favorably upon religion.

[Hagar]

10 hours ago, UT alum said:

So, only one side gets to take the gloves off?

Lol, not up to your standards.  You used McCarthy from the early 50’s.  I could point out how the Dems were staunch segregationist at that time.  McCarthy was paranoid, but it didn’t take but a few years to put him in his place.  The current bias in the Dem leadership appears to be getting worse.  No one is trying to get the gloves back on.

[baddog]

To me, this says it all.

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Hummm!   Declaring that the border is an active drug trafficking corridor pursuant to Title 10 of U.S. code -- the President would have billions at his disposal to build the wall.  Very interesting!!

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[5GallonBucket]

5 hours ago, baddog said:

To me, this says it all.

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Thank you for sharing.  That was on point

[baddog]

3 hours ago, 5GallonBucket said:

Thank you for sharing.  That was on point

It was a little long, but it exposes the two faced dims for what they are. Voted for funding 350 miles of border wall in 2013. Did it get built? If not, where is the money? Did it disappear like Solyndra?

Also notice how Cruz speaks from his heart? He does have to read it like Schumer?

[LumRaiderFan]

On 1/27/2019 at 11:53 AM, Law Man said:

If I were President, I would address what divides us which is racism. I would also address mental health. Canada And Peru have better health care then the U.S.

What kind of healthcare can you get in Canada and Peru if you sneak into the country illegally?

[Law Man]

12 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

What kind of healthcare can you get in Canada and Peru if you sneak into the country illegally?

I never tried. 

[LumRaiderFan]

4 minutes ago, Law Man said:

I never tried. 

What makes you think it is so great?

We provide healthcare for illegals, do they?

[5GallonBucket]

1 hour ago, baddog said:

It was a little long, but it exposes the two faced dims for what they are. Voted for funding 350 miles of border wall in 2013. Did it get built? If not, where is the money? Did it disappear like Solyndra?

Also notice how Cruz speaks from his heart? He does have to read it like Schumer?

Long....... short......  this is what the American citizen needs to see and hear. Especially those that take everything from from news outlets as the truth.  Givin how the American citizen shocked the world in 2016.  I have faith in the American citizen that they ll see the shenanigans these dems and media try to use to hide the truth and we ll have another 4 years of MAGA even if I do disagree with how he acts at times and some of the things he says he s better for America than any liberal/democrat/ socialist/ communist.

[5GallonBucket]

Somebody from the left please comment on the facts that Cruz brought forth in the video.  

U can’t argue with facts

[LumRaiderFan]

24 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

Somebody from the left please comment on the facts that Cruz brought forth in the video.  

U can’t argue with facts

The left dismisses facts...that’s how they avoid arguing with them.

[Law Man]

41 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

What makes you think it is so great?

We provide healthcare for illegals, do they?

My comment was not to address illegals. Mental health was my point. Canada healthcare is free and it covers almost everything other than prescription drugs, glasses, and dental. Basically works like Medicare. Canada provides near universal coverage to all Canadians.