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[CardinalBacker]

10 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Not exactly.... he is the nationally elected leader of the executive branch.  She is just one of 435 Representative from the House that was selected by her fellow reps to lead the house.  In short, she was elected by however people voted for her ONLY in her district, plus the reps in congress that voted for her. 

She's technically the third person in the chain of succession behind the VP.  But definitely not equal in stature to the sitting president. 

I also failed to mention that the Speaker of the House is only the leader of the House... she's got no control in the Senate.  

She's only leading 1/2 of one branch of the US government.  The Senate and House make up the Legislative branch, the Executive branch is the president and the departments that report to him, of course, and the third branch is the Judicial one.. the Federal Court System. 

So, yeah... She's definitely not a co-equal.

 

 

[CardinalBacker]

Both sides are bonkers... It's no wonder that the public can't stand congress.

 

The young rep from New York (AOC) is the absolute lightning rod for criticism by the Right these days.  So much of it is over the top and unnecessary.  On the other hand, the D's in the house appointed her to the House Oversight Committee.  Think about that for a minute... you take a brand new rep with some really big ideas about changing the way we're governed and stick her on the committee that's charged with policing her peers from both sides of the aisle.  That's the kind of thing that's done specifically to irritate and agitate the opposition.  She's never been elected to any position that I'm aware of, and now she's on the panel that looks into reported violations of rules which she is obviously not even aware of.  She was a waitress a year ago, for crying out loud. 

 

It's all just gamesmanship. 

[UT alum]

9 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

I also failed to mention that the Speaker of the House is only the leader of the House... she's got no control in the Senate.  

She's only leading 1/2 of one branch of the US government.  The Senate and House make up the Legislative branch, the Executive branch is the president and the departments that report to him, of course, and the third branch is the Judicial one.. the Federal Court System. 

So, yeah... She's definitely not a co-equal.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Both sides are bonkers... It's no wonder that the public can't stand congress.

 

The young rep from New York (AOC) is the absolute lightning rod for criticism by the Right these days.  So much of it is over the top and unnecessary.  On the other hand, the D's in the house appointed her to the House Oversight Committee.  Think about that for a minute... you take a brand new rep with some really big ideas about changing the way we're governed and stick her on the committee that's charged with policing her peers from both sides of the aisle.  That's the kind of thing that's done specifically to irritate and agitate the opposition.  She's never been elected to any position that I'm aware of, and now she's on the panel that looks into reported violations of rules which she is obviously not even aware of.  She was a waitress a year ago, for crying out loud. 

 

It's all just gamesmanship. 

I call it America.

[UT alum]

15 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

I also failed to mention that the Speaker of the House is only the leader of the House... she's got no control in the Senate.  

She's only leading 1/2 of one branch of the US government.  The Senate and House make up the Legislative branch, the Executive branch is the president and the departments that report to him, of course, and the third branch is the Judicial one.. the Federal Court System. 

So, yeah... She's definitely not a co-equal.

 

 

All spending bills must originate in the house. She controls what bills get to the floor. It is the most powerful position in a coequal branch of government. 

[LumRaiderFan]

25 minutes ago, UT alum said:

I’ve been a maker all my adult life. I make payroll every two weeks, pay payroll taxes, match employees 401k contributions, and provide employee health insurance. I pay income tax and property tax, so don’t tell me about making and taking. 

 

If you’re a taker then I obviously wasn’t talking about you.

My statement stands, I’m tired of lies that cost me money...call them out.

[UT alum]

7 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

If you’re a taker then I obviously wasn’t talking about you.

My statement stands, I’m tired of lies that cost me money...call them out.

Not from the floor of the House. That was the greatest show of disrespect from a public official that I have witnessed and it was wrong.

[CardinalBacker]

6 minutes ago, UT alum said:

All spending bills must originate in the house. She controls what bills get to the floor. It is the most powerful position in a coequal branch of government. 

Close... All bills that generate revenue (tax bills) must originate in the House.  That's one reason why a lot of people were aggravated about the HCA (Obamacare) coming out of the Senate first with it's inherent tax increases. That's why there was so much weeping/wailing about calling them "penalties" instead of "taxes."   

And no, it's not really any more powerful than the Senate Majority Leader who also controls what is heard over there, too. The Speaker of the House is third in the succession only because the house is supposed to more accurately reflect the population than the senate.  The Senate Majority Leader comes in at fourth in the chain. 

You're a smart dude.  I don't know about you, but I didn't pick up a lot in high school government class.  I got a lot more from my poli sci classes in college.  You ought to go and refresh what you know.... I can virtually guarantee that you'll get a professor that you'll like (a lib, lol).  I'll bet you'd enjoy it.  If I had time, I think I would take it over again as well.  

 

[CardinalBacker]

18 minutes ago, UT alum said:

Not from the floor of the House. That was the greatest show of disrespect from a public official that I have witnessed and it was wrong.

Yeah... things just seem like they're getting less and less civil. There was the Wilson thing, and I remember when some felt that Obama was out of line by calling out the Supreme Court over a recent decision during the SOTU one year.  Justice Alito shook his head, but said nothing.  I kinda thought that Pelosi was a little out of line during this one, but not too bad.  It's just unnecessary, in my opinion.

But it's been worse.

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But we had a Civil War not long after this, so.....

[UT alum]

39 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Close... All bills that generate revenue (tax bills) must originate in the House.  That's one reason why a lot of people were aggravated about the HCA (Obamacare) coming out of the Senate first with it's inherent tax increases. That's why there was so much weeping/wailing about calling them "penalties" instead of "taxes."   

And no, it's not really any more powerful than the Senate Majority Leader who also controls what is heard over there, too. The Speaker of the House is third in the succession only because the house is supposed to more accurately reflect the population than the senate.  The Senate Majority Leader comes in at fourth in the chain. 

You're a smart dude.  I don't know about you, but I didn't pick up a lot in high school government class.  I got a lot more from my poli sci classes in college.  You ought to go and refresh what you know.... I can virtually guarantee that you'll get a professor that you'll like (a lib, lol).  I'll bet you'd enjoy it.  If I had time, I think I would take it over again as well.  

 

I’m 45 years out from college, so I could probably use some brushing up. You’re a resonable guy. I enjoy debate with reasonable people. 

[Hagar]

18 minutes ago, UT alum said:

I’m 45 years out from college, so I could probably use some brushing up. You’re a resonable guy. I enjoy debate with reasonable people. 

Young feller, ain’t ya  

[Hagar]

As usual, the usual liberal rags (NYT & that bunch) are calling foul on every subject they can nitpick on.  For instance, Trump said 1 in 3 women in caravans were raped.  Politico hollered foul - only 31% were raped.  Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit.  Durn Trump -  

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[LumRaiderFan]

1 hour ago, UT alum said:

Not from the floor of the House. That was the greatest show of disrespect from a public official that I have witnessed and it was wrong.

That was the worst you’ve seen?

Really?

[UT alum]

3 hours ago, Hagar said:

Young feller, ain’t ya  

Just feelin' my oats.  Or is that oatmeal?