Nederland Bond PASSES!!!!

[CardinalBacker]

13 minutes ago, PlayActionPass said:

You are 100% correct, this is how Dan Patrick and his cronies in Austin plan on "saving" public education without the state having to pay a dime.

But, this is not on Nederland ISD and shouldn't be even talked about in the same breath.

The problem with you argument all along @CardinalBacker is that you support a bond issue, but just not one this "massive." But, the problem with this argument is that Nederland has tried to pass smaller bonds in the past to build and maintain facilities and keep up with technology demands just to have them defeated by the like of Klein and "Reagan."

The reason this "massive" bond is in the voters hands now is because of the communities lack of support for past initiatives. 

Maybe the timing wasn't right the previous time(s) that smaller bonds were defeated.  

For the sake of argument.... I need groceries at the house.  Everybody agrees that something needs to be done.  I'm not wrong for thinking a $450 trip to HEB is a little out of line.... and not because I don't support feeding my kids.  Maybe we need to just grab up what we need to tide us over until payday, but purchase a side of beef, the Thanksgiving Turkey, and the ingredients for Christmas Cookies on 4/24/19.  

They're just opinions... mine doesn't matter.  It's just a lot of money, and IMO it's overpriced. It'll be interesting to see how the voters feel. 

 

[1989NDN]

Is Lamar University's poly sci dept, sociology dept, or statistics dept conducting exit polls to assess if the bond is trending towards passing or failing?  Any local news services conducting exit polls to make any predictions based on early voting?

Go Indians.  Peace.

 

[Michele]

I went by and voted YES yesterday and the line was close to going out the door.  After being in line for a little while, I got a strong impression that all those folks were there to vote YES as well. 

[PlayActionPass]

33 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Maybe the timing wasn't right the previous time(s) that smaller bonds were defeated.  

For the sake of argument.... I need groceries at the house.  Everybody agrees that something needs to be done.  I'm not wrong for thinking a $450 trip to HEB is a little out of line.... and not because I don't support feeding my kids.  Maybe we need to just grab up what we need to tide us over until payday, but purchase a side of beef, the Thanksgiving Turkey, and the ingredients for Christmas Cookies on 4/24/19.  

They're just opinions... mine doesn't matter.  It's just a lot of money, and IMO it's overpriced. It'll be interesting to see how the voters feel. 

 

It is a big ask, but it  is needed. 

And the reason it is needed is because of the past failures.

To use your analogy, if you don't buy an adequate amount of groceries every week then you are going to have a big grocery bill when you go that one time of the month. Or, if you don't spend the $30-90  every 3 months to change your oil then eventually you are going to have a big payout to replace your truck.

That is where Nederland is right now. 

[A BUC 77]

If the stadium part of the bond passes, will the upgrades be done this summer?

[PhatMack19]

3 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

The value of a tract I own in Hardin County bumped from 56k to 92k this year...   I literally gave $65k for it in late 2018... closed at a title company and can provide my settlement statement.  I can buy acreage adjacent to mine RIGHT NOW for the same price that I gave for mine... it's advertised.   Like... there's not even a fence.   IT'S NEXT TO MINE.  The CAD doesn't care. My new value is what "they" say it is...

Challenge it and you will win easily.  Just bring your settlement statement.  

[CardinalBacker]

3 hours ago, PlayActionPass said:

It is a big ask, but it  is needed. 

And the reason it is needed is because of the past failures.

To use your analogy, if you don't buy an adequate amount of groceries every week then you are going to have a big grocery bill when you go that one time of the month. Or, if you don't spend the $30-90  every 3 months to change your oil then eventually you are going to have a big payout to replace your truck.

That is where Nederland is right now. 

Not exactly. Nederland’s “truck” is still making it back and forth to work. And it’s not like the schools’ metaphorical engine is about to burn up. And even if it did, I’m not under the impression that the only truck that will work is a 2019 F350 King Ranch Crew Cab. 

“The schools are outdated” everybody cries, except they’re going to knock down the newest one. In other words, the age of the buildings is not an issue. Unless we’re talking civic pride. 

So, if I’m to believe the bond as presented, age of the schools isn’t an issue. We all agree that the schools have not been outgrown. We also agree that all needed repairs were done a few years ago, and not yet paid off.  What am I missing?

[NHSBulldogFan]

1 hour ago, CardinalBacker said:

Not exactly. Nederland’s “truck” is still making it back and forth to work. And it’s not like the schools’ metaphorical engine is about to burn up. And even if it did, I’m not under the impression that the only truck that will work is a 2019 F350 King Ranch Crew Cab. 

“The schools are outdated” everybody cries, except they’re going to knock down the newest one. In other words, the age of the buildings is not an issue. Unless we’re talking civic pride. 

So, if I’m to believe the bond as presented, age of the schools isn’t an issue. We all agree that the schools have not been outgrown. We also agree that all needed repairs were done a few years ago, and not yet paid off.  What am I missing?

I don't think outgrown is the right word for the high school overcrowded is a more accurate word.

[Reagan]

WOW!  Pretty incriminating!  

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[Razor]

Anybody can post anything they want on the web...doesn't make it true...the good news is that we are finally getting to the point where people realize that

[NDOMAKONG]

Incriminating???  How so???  "Hey everyone go vote... is incriminating?"  I thought you were a big believer in the American dream?  How is encouraging our most basic of American rights... incriminating?

[Realville]

Just remember Nederland, just because a dead person is on the voter registration rolls doesn’t mean they can Vote!  There will be a lot big contracts handed out if this bond passes! Hope everyone gets what they want! Take time to Laugh Today! Go Vote!

[WOSgrad]

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

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First of all, I am QUITE sure that I had barred any posting of idiot Klein's paper here due to his slanderous articles in the past about local athletic programs (Ozen messing up the locker room after a bi-district game with Barbers Hill and, most recently, the allegations that 3 different athletic programs in the area were being investigated on recruiting allegations).

Second, what laws were broken here?  Superintendent Perez sending voting information for early voting.  Sorry pal, that's legal.  No advocacy for or against the bond so it is allowed under election laws.  As for Ms. Bell, there is no showing that the emails originated from  government computer.  That is like saying that the email questionnaire that I will be sending to Coach Barrow (you know, the coach you love to hate) in a couple of weeks is use of a government computer.  And I found his email address on the Nederland ISD, that is not illegal use of a government database.

It is again Philip Klein doing what he does best, posting slanderous nonsense, half truths and outright lies......much like you have done on this thread.

 

[Razor]

Well, I think grad just about covered it there...lol

[Reagan]

2 hours ago, WOSgrad said:

First of all, I am QUITE sure that I had barred any posting of idiot Klein's paper here due to his slanderous articles in the past about local athletic programs (Ozen messing up the locker room after a bi-district game with Barbers Hill and, most recently, the allegations that 3 different athletic programs in the area were being investigated on recruiting allegations).

Second, what laws were broken here?  Superintendent Perez sending voting information for early voting.  Sorry pal, that's legal.  No advocacy for or against the bond so it is allowed under election laws.  As for Ms. Bell, there is no showing that the emails originated from  government computer.  That is like saying that the email questionnaire that I will be sending to Coach Barrow (you know, the coach you love to hate) in a couple of weeks is use of a government computer.  And I found his email address on the Nederland ISD, that is not illegal use of a government database.

It is again Philip Klein doing what he does best, posting slanderous nonsense, half truths and outright lies......much like you have done on this thread.

 

Come on, WOS, slander?  Unless you know something we don't, I'm not aware he's been sued for such.  If so, enlighten us.  Plus, we shall see if what they've done is legal or not.  Who knows?!  Now, if you are a lawyer then I will differ to your judgement!

[prepballfan]

4 hours ago, WOSgrad said:

First of all, I am QUITE sure that I had barred any posting of idiot Klein's paper here due to his slanderous articles in the past about local athletic programs (Ozen messing up the locker room after a bi-district game with Barbers Hill and, most recently, the allegations that 3 different athletic programs in the area were being investigated on recruiting allegations).

Second, what laws were broken here?  Superintendent Perez sending voting information for early voting.  Sorry pal, that's legal.  No advocacy for or against the bond so it is allowed under election laws.  As for Ms. Bell, there is no showing that the emails originated from  government computer.  That is like saying that the email questionnaire that I will be sending to Coach Barrow (you know, the coach you love to hate) in a couple of weeks is use of a government computer.  And I found his email address on the Nederland ISD, that is not illegal use of a government database.

It is again Philip Klein doing what he does best, posting slanderous nonsense, half truths and outright lies......much like you have done on this thread.

 

Grad could we please remove the crap from the page. This is not what SETXSPORTS is about in any way. I understand that the bond is and should because it covers some facets of sports at Nederland. I do not agree with Klien's article being on here at all>>>>>>>>

[WOSgrad]

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

Come on, WOS, slander?  Unless you know something we don't, I'm not aware he's been sued for such.  If so, enlighten us.  Plus, we shall see if what they've done is legal or not.  Who knows?!  Now, if you are a lawyer then I will differ to your judgement!

You're right.  Forgive me, the correct term is libel as it is written word  Just because the folks are too goodnatured to be bothered with the litigation doesn't mean that your beloved Mr. Klein has not committed the offense.

I confirmed the report about Ozen was liberlous as I directly contacted then-AD at Barbers Hill Ronnie Gage who assured me had no damage to their visitor locker room, as your beloved Mr. Klein had alleged in an article that I believe you posted here.  In fact, I recall posting Coach Gage's email response in its entirety.  Thus your beloved Mr. Klein published an allegation that was false, which is actionable defamation under tort law.

I confirmed the report was slander with the UIL who new of no investigation as to any athletic program in this area. So his allegations there are equal libel.

And then we now come to your beloved Mr. Klein's latest foray into the world of libel with regard to these communications, as well as his allegations last week that signs which described what the

It is covered in Texas Election Code, Section 255.003 which states:

Section 255.003. UNLAWFUL USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS FOR POLITICAL ADVERTISING

(a) An officer or employee of a political subdivision may not knowingly spend or authorize the spending of public funds for political advertising.

(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a communication that factually describes the purposes of  a measure if the communication does not advocate passage or defeat of the measure.

 

So, as to Superintendent Perez:  How exactly do her e-mails violate the above Section?  They merely provide encouragement to vote on the measure, they certainly do not advocate passage or defeat of the measure.  So for Mr. Klein to allege that either the signs he show in his "Top Story" last week or the emails of Ms. Perez were the commission of a felony (which in itself is libel as violation of this provision is a Class A misdemeanor as stated in Sec. 255.003 (c)) does indeed meet the standards of actionable libel.

As to Ms. Bell, I think the story at least acknowledges that she is not an employee of a political subdivision.  For her to use her private e-mail account to send e-mails to teachers of Nederland ISD whose email addresses are available to the viewing public, is not use of government computers and of government databases.

You do not need a JD (which, yes, I do happen to have) to find this information.  In fact, the Texas Ethics Commission has quite a handy pamphlet in circulation which was rather easy to find:

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So, in summary, your correct.....it isn't slander (spoken defamation)....it is libel (written defamation).  I have shown examples of his commission of such transgressions, both in the past and in the present. 

As I stated earlier, due to his constant aversion to the truth, no links to Mr Klein's paper shall be used in this forum.  You have been reminded of that and I will take any posting of links to his paper as you willful intent to ignore the prohibition.

[Reagan]

49 minutes ago, WOSgrad said:

You're right.  Forgive me, the correct term is libel as it is written word  Just because the folks are too goodnatured to be bothered with the litigation doesn't mean that your beloved Mr. Klein has not committed the offense.

I confirmed the report about Ozen was liberlous as I directly contacted then-AD at Barbers Hill Ronnie Gage who assured me had no damage to their visitor locker room, as your beloved Mr. Klein had alleged in an article that I believe you posted here.  In fact, I recall posting Coach Gage's email response in its entirety.  Thus your beloved Mr. Klein published an allegation that was false, which is actionable defamation under tort law.

I confirmed the report was slander with the UIL who new of no investigation as to any athletic program in this area. So his allegations there are equal libel.

And then we now come to your beloved Mr. Klein's latest foray into the world of libel with regard to these communications, as well as his allegations last week that signs which described what the

It is covered in Texas Election Code, Section 255.003 which states:

Section 255.003. UNLAWFUL USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS FOR POLITICAL ADVERTISING

(a) An officer or employee of a political subdivision may not knowingly spend or authorize the spending of public funds for political advertising.

(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a communication that factually describes the purposes of  a measure if the communication does not advocate passage or defeat of the measure.

 

So, as to Superintendent Perez:  How exactly do her e-mails violate the above Section?  They merely provide encouragement to vote on the measure, they certainly do not advocate passage or defeat of the measure.  So for Mr. Klein to allege that either the signs he show in his "Top Story" last week or the emails of Ms. Perez were the commission of a felony (which in itself is libel as violation of this provision is a Class A misdemeanor as stated in Sec. 255.003 (c)) does indeed meet the standards of actionable libel.

As to Ms. Bell, I think the story at least acknowledges that she is not an employee of a political subdivision.  For her to use her private e-mail account to send e-mails to teachers of Nederland ISD whose email addresses are available to the viewing public, is not use of government computers and of government databases.

You do not need a JD (which, yes, I do happen to have) to find this information.  In fact, the Texas Ethics Commission has quite a handy pamphlet in circulation which was rather easy to find:

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So, in summary, your correct.....it isn't slander (spoken defamation)....it is libel (written defamation).  I have shown examples of his commission of such transgressions, both in the past and in the present. 

As I stated earlier, due to his constant aversion to the truth, no links to Mr Klein's paper shall be used in this forum.  You have been reminded of that and I will take any posting of links to his paper as you willful intent to ignore the prohibition.

Not a problem.  I didn't recall this ever being said.

[Razor]

Not sure why you would want to post something like this from a non source verifying site and treat it as the absolute truth, but hey, to each his or her own....hopefully people are smart enough to decipher news from an angry rant

[Reagan]

On 4/26/2019 at 11:13 PM, Razor said:

Not sure why you would want to post something like this from a non source verifying site and treat it as the absolute truth, but hey, to each his or her own....hopefully people are smart enough to decipher news from an angry rant

Your opinion!

[Razor]

...and I could say the same to you...again, we disagree I just happen to strongly disagree with using such tactics to sway others to their opinion

[fox]

people are going to lose their minds when this bond doesn't pass

[purpleeagle]

Wow, just read the article put out by setpolitical. They are obviously a subsidiary of CNN.

[navydawg31]

21 hours ago, fox said:

people are going to lose their minds when this bond doesn't pass

What about the ones when it does passes? 

[CardinalBacker]

24 minutes ago, navydawg31 said:

What about the ones when it does passes? 

It's gonna be interesting to see what happens.  Nederland has typically been one of the most resistant to bond issues in the past.  When you combine that fact with the exceptionally large price tag attached to this bond issue I believe the thing will go down.  No data to support, just an observation.

I also think that this one has a decent chance of passing because we (as a nation) are a lot more willing to sign up for "improvements" with little to no regard for the actual cost. 

It'll be interesting to see the final results.