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[Hagar]

14 hours ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

What you want me to do here.. defend policies I don’t even support? Lol 

Lol, I see you joining the Republican Party in the near future.

[Hagar]

4 minutes ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

Nah the new party is a little too extreme for my tastes

I agree, they’re becoming far to extreme left.  The Repub Loons are merely filling the liberal vacuum left by the Dems.  Cest la vie.

[Hagar]

8 minutes ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

Believe it or not - I used to be the stereotypical Berkeley type liberal back in my college days. Super PC, increase taxes, etc. Then I got a job and started paying insane amount of taxes.. it’s too bad Republicans have gone off the deep end (I think too far right, imo)

To far right?  Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit, in what way right?

[stevenash]

21 minutes ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

Defense spending - completely out of control, and completely contradicts the idea fiscal conservatism 

Building the wall - I get the need for a wall, but holding the American people hostage via government shutdowns and executive orders is not the way to do it

Trickle down economics - it just doesn’t work. Rich get richer, middle class get some poorer, and poor people stay poor (although usually their own fault for staying generationally poor) l. All while rich people have convinced the middle class it’s the poor people’s fault

Complete obsession with peoples private lives - I don’t get it tbh.. who cares what gay people do in their own home. Women’s rights etc

Religion - please stop trying to force religion down people’s throats. This isn’t the 1900s

Could go on longer but I’m actually at work right now 

 

 

 

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Trickle down doesn't work?  But redistribution does?

[mat]

21 minutes ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

Defense spending - completely out of control, and completely contradicts the idea fiscal conservatism 

Building the wall - I get the need for a wall, but holding the American people hostage via government shutdowns and executive orders is not the way to do it

Trickle down economics - it just doesn’t work. Rich get richer, middle class get some poorer, and poor people stay poor (although usually their own fault for staying generationally poor) l. All while rich people have convinced the middle class it’s the poor people’s fault

Complete obsession with peoples private lives - I don’t get it tbh.. who cares what gay people do in their own home. Women’s rights etc

Religion - please stop trying to force religion down people’s throats. This isn’t the 1900s

Could go on longer but I’m actually at work right now 

 

 

 

I agree with some and disagree with most. Each statement would serve as its own debate. More importantly, I appreciate your real reply. 

[stevenash]

Is it illegal or immoral for a rich person to become richer?  If a rich person finds a way to get richer, it usually involves money in motion and there are plenty of people who will participate in  and benefit from that money in motion.  They do not get richer by hoarding their money.  Putting a ceiling on how rich one can be is counterproductive and taxing the rich at a very high rate will only discourage them from putting their monies in motion.  We do not need the government deciding what should be done with individual wealth.  Cuba, Venezuela, and Greece are all documented evidence of what happens when a "benevolent" government creates methods to redistribute from the rich to the poor.

[Hagar]

23 minutes ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

Defense spending - completely out of control, and completely contradicts the idea fiscal conservatism 

Building the wall - I get the need for a wall, but holding the American people hostage via government shutdowns and executive orders is not the way to do it

Trickle down economics - it just doesn’t work. Rich get richer, middle class get some poorer, and poor people stay poor (although usually their own fault for staying generationally poor) l. All while rich people have convinced the middle class it’s the poor people’s fault

Complete obsession with peoples private lives - I don’t get it tbh.. who cares what gay people do in their own home. Women’s rights etc

Religion - please stop trying to force religion down people’s throats. This isn’t the 1900s

Could go on longer but I’m actually at work right now 

 

 

 

Defense spending - with Russia & China sword rattling, and new nuclear (unstable) players, like N. Korea & Iran, we need a strong defense, imo.  I’m also convinced all monies budgeted to the military, aren’t used like most would think.  Say, Area 51.  The Govt refused for years to admit it existed, even though you could drive up to the fences.  Where did the money come from for its construction and still, to maintain it?  Defense budget?  Yes, we do test some some some aircraft there, but there’s more to that place than meets the eye.

The Wall - it takes two to shutdown the Govt.  And you get the need, so that’s the Dems fault.

Trickle Down Economics - Based on our deficit, no economic plan “works”.  At least trickle down seems to create jobs.  Oh, and the rich always get richer.

In peoples private lives - like you, I don’t care what someone does in their bedroom.  I do question the marriage somewhat.  Personally, I don’t approve, but it’s not a show stopper.  I do resent the “in your face” attitude many gays have.

Religion - As a Christian, our duty is to make you aware of the path of salvation, after that, you’re responsible.  And I’d bet the vast majority of Americans are aware already.  But I’m saddened by how few are now remaining Christians.  Real Christians are an asset to this country.  Look at who provided hospitals before they became money making machines.  Look at the groups of Christians who came to SETX after Harvey to help people rebuild.  Didn’t see any atheists groups, or Muslim groups (although there may have been one or two).

[stevenash]

1 hour ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

Real posts get real replies. When CORNDOG or Nash come in here with their Fox News talking points I can’t take it serious 

ahh yes, the default position   - blame fox news-  last time you were on this board you claimed the BBC was a great source for unbiased news.  Exactly where do you get YOUR news and what makes it possible for you to be totally unbiased?   Just an FYI-  most of my politics is economic related and I don't need a news source to help me arrive at my conclusions.

[Englebert]

2 hours ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

Real posts get real replies. When CORNDOG or Nash come in here with their Fox News talking points I can’t take it serious 

You must watch a lot of Fox News to know what the talking points are.

And let's see if you will embarrass yourself some more. Name one single Fox News talking point that you think I or Nash has regurgitated. You are a scared little boy that can only make up stuff then run when challenged to defend your own comments. Really, who could take you serious. You lie, can't defend those lies, then run on to the next subject to insult some more. It's predictable but somehow still comical to witness your immature antics.

[stevenash]

14 minutes ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

Lol here we goooooo

so typical- if you believe that Fox news is such a biased news source, simply tell us where the "enlightened" get their non biased news.  Do you think that CNN and MSNBC did a good job in reporting the Covington Catholic school story or Jussie Smollett.?  Do tell, show us by example how to get real news without an agenda behind it.  If all you can say is LOL or her we go or Corndog, there will be no surprise. 

[Englebert]

12 minutes ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

Brother - just because I hate Fox News doesn’t mean I watch CNN or MSNBC. All 3 channels are trash. You’re brainwashed to think only 2 of them are. 

But yet you won't or can't deliver any of those talking points that abhor you. It's easy to complain, it's revealing when you have to provide evidence for those complaints. And as we can all plainly see, you can't deliver.

[CardinalBacker]

3 hours ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

Defense spending - I believe in having the world's strongest defense.... I just don't agree with handing the military-industrial machine a blank check to buy $1500 claw hammers.  Way too much waste and even questioning it will get you branded as a traitor. 

Building the wall - We don't even need to secure the border... First rebuild the legal immigration system so that people can actually get here legally.  Then criminally penalize the people and companies that hire illegals, AND do away with entitlement benefits for people here illegally.  Just like that you could abandon the wall and the immigration problem goes away.  It'll never happen because the D's need those new voters on the government tit if they want to remain in power. 

Trickle down economics - We don't have a tax problem... we have a spending problem.  I don't hear any of the Trump "conservatives" saying anything about the 4.7 Trillion dollar budget he sent up this week.  Tax cuts are meaningless if you just ramp up spending.  Deficits and debt WILL follow. 

Complete obsession with peoples private lives -  Yeah...  I think we miss the boat on this one sometimes.  Amend the Constitution to ban abortion and the argument is over.  If you can't do that, it's simply a waste of time... unless your goal is to convince the holier-than-thous that the Rs actually care about these social issues. 

Religion - Nah... I'm gonna disagree here.  We were founded on religious freedom.  I see more efforts to abolish religion than actually "shoving it down" anybody's throat.  I'll be even more specific and say that the anti-christian movement is astounding.  No prayers at high school games, no crosses on public ground, etc.... A red MAGA hat is considered offensive and racist, but if you want to wear a burqa (based on a religion that actively hurls gays off of high rises) it's your right.  But God (or Allah or a cow or whatever) help you if you don't want to bake a cake for a queer wedding.  But on the other hand, I wonder how many of those "get prayer back in school" supporters would still be on board if it involved prayer rugs and facing mecca?

 

 

 

 

 

[Englebert]

12 minutes ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

The civil discussion was fun while it lasted

Thanks CORNBALL 

Get to work. You have some absurd talking points that need revealing.

[Englebert]

5 minutes ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

I like your style CardinalBacker

it really is too bad any deviation from the party standards gets you branded as a traitor (or even worse a socialist, gasp!), as you mentioned 

#nofreethoughtsallowed

#fallinline

Run some more little one.

Since you won't/can't come up with a talking point, let's just discuss your latest absurd comment. What deviation from the party standards do you feel gets you branded as a traitor? Let's debate that little gem. Please provide examples of these deviation behaviors. I bet you run again.

[Englebert]

8 minutes ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

Can you stop ruining everything you touch, CORNBALL?

Can you backup your allegations? Run little one, run.

[Englebert]

4 minutes ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

You already managed to get the other topic CORNBALL

And still you run. What is so hard about defending your own words? What type of person levies accusations, then refuses to stand by them?

[stevenash]

2 hours ago, VeryStableEnlightenedOne said:

Brother - just because I hate Fox News doesn’t mean I watch CNN or MSNBC. All 3 channels are trash. You’re brainwashed to think only 2 of them are. 

For the umpteenth time, simply tell us where you get your objective and unbiased news.   Help all of we peons to become enlightened.  Seems like the "compassionate" thing to do ( note the social issue which is where you lean heavily left)