When does the program become the new coaches?

[AHUDDLESTON]

So, in a small school (no spring football), how long does it take for a football program to be considered the new head coach's? For example, if you come in the previous April , does it take a full year before the new head coach gets the Credit/blame?

[WOSgrad]

1 minute ago, AHUDDLESTON said:

So, in a small school (no spring football), how long does it take for a football program to be considered the new head coach's? For example, if you come in the previous April , does it take a full year before the new head coach gets the Credit/blame?

LOL! For some folks around here, you get credit, or more likely blame, as soon as you are announced.

Me personally, you should see improvement after the first season.

[NetCat]

1 minute ago, WOSgrad said:

LOL! For some folks around here, you get credit, or more likely blame, as soon as you are announced.

Me personally, you should see improvement after the first season.

This^

After the first season, but not everybody sees it that way 

[BMTSoulja1]

I say like 2 years in when the old regime's kids start graduating...

[SmashMouth]

6 minutes ago, WOSgrad said:

LOL! For some folks around here, you get credit, or more likely blame, as soon as you are announced.

Me personally, you should see improvement after the first season.

 

4 minutes ago, NetCat said:

This^

After the first season, but not everybody sees it that way 

Y'all are right. Depends on your starting point though. I can see a coach needing a 2 season "buffer" if the situation is pretty bad...

[jv_coach]

Day 1 

[NetCat]

18 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

 

Y'all are right. Depends on your starting point though. I can see a coach needing a 2 season "buffer" if the situation is pretty bad...

Just now, jv_coach said:

Day 1 

See Lol

[WOSdrummer99]

The 2nd season. When those seniors from 3 years of old coaching have graduated.

[Hooohead.com]

I would say going into 3rd season...your Freshmen will be juniors and you should know what you have and whom you have molded to be an asset....

[GUNHO]

There is no grace period in football...Well as for as the fans are concerned.lol

 

[NetCat]

Just now, Hooohead.com said:

I would say going into 3rd season...your Freshmen will be juniors and you should know what you have and whom you have molded to be an asset....

It will be a rare community that gives a coach 3 years though. Most demand results NOW! 😂

[BH85]

Blame day 1
Credit will take years sometimes.

[Bigdog]

2- 3 years although the fans don't give them that much time in most cases.

[Hagar]

Might depend on Coach’s, and the teams, past record, and his pay.  Westerberg, at Barbers Hill was getting some bad post on here right off the bat.  Now, not so much.  Fans of a bad program will be more tolerant.  You get named HC at WOS or Carthage, you better come out of the gate kicking booty.  There’s a lot of variables.

[Reagan]

A coach owns it in the first year.  I usually give first the year a pass.  Got to have time to implement the program.  Second year should show marked improvement.  The third year should be challenging for a District title.  But, with that being said, it does take some elite coaches  more than three years to have their team in a position to challenge for a State Title. 

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

After 2nd yr before 3rd yr. Rather small or big school. 

 

I know 2 schools around here where the culture changed after the 2nd year, 1 for good 1 for bad. One of those might be needing a new regime soon. 

[Hagar]

2 minutes ago, Reagan said:

A coach owns it in the first year.  I usually give first the year a pass.  Got to have time to implement the program.  Second year should show marked improvement.  The third year should be challenging for a District title.

Your response might be because you follow a tradition rich school.  Take a team like Huntington.  Heck, a Coach that could just get a winning record for several years, could be Mayor (King) of that town.  😂😂😂

[Peppermint Patty]

As soon as the parents get on board.

If the expectation is being set and reinforced at home, it will transfer over to the program.

[CardinalBacker]

Day one.... 

You'd better hit the ground running.

[BlackShirts5]

7 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

The 2nd season. When those seniors from 3 years of old coaching have graduated.

I tend to agree with this in some points.  Our SR class this year had no other head coach’s. But they have bought in and we look a lot different then we did last year.  Still a ways to go.  No if there was a lot of negativity and no buy in from the SR class then yea it wouldn’t happen till they are gone. 

[WOSdrummer99]

57 minutes ago, GCMNation5 said:

I tend to agree with this in some points.  Our SR class this year had no other head coach’s. But they have bought in and we look a lot different then we did last year.  Still a ways to go.  No if there was a lot of negativity and no buy in from the SR class then yea it wouldn’t happen till they are gone. 

In the 1st year, senior leadership is almost as much a factor as the coaching change itself. Many people discount how much effect seniors have on lower classes in practice and attitude. You are right that seniors buying into the system can go a long way for the new program. 

[BlackShirts5]

23 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

In the 1st year, senior leadership is almost as much a factor as the coaching change itself. Many people discount how much effect seniors have on lower classes in practice and attitude. You are right that seniors buying into the system can go a long way for the new program. 

No doubt about it.  Unfortunately we have been part of it twice. One of my boys is a Sr this year. His sophomore year was a whole new staff and first year. Sr leadership was bad and it showed. Fast forward to now. He is a Sr with new staff again and his SR class leadership has paved the way.  It’s been total night and day.  

[WOSdrummer99]

3 minutes ago, GCMNation5 said:

No doubt about it.  Unfortunately we have been part of it twice. One of my boys is a Sr this year. His sophomore year was a whole new staff and first year. Sr leadership was bad and it showed. Fast forward to now. He is a Sr with new staff again and his SR class leadership has paved the way.  It’s been total night and day.  

Congrats on raising a young man who can accept change at a young age, and show leadership as an upper classmen.

[outanup]

The moment you grab the reins......

[MrUmp1]

I think you have to give a coach a full off season. Conditioning, strength, and if he can get the kids to come to voluntary summer workouts. Once you can get some improvements then more will follow and your program will grow.