Montverde Academy Crowned National Champions

[TheTruth34]

Just now, bayou city 713 said:

Pj tucker uses other things that comes with experience and being a NBA veteran  to make up for his lack of height and other deficiencies   . The best big man in college would struggle vs him, he’ll they would even struggle vs harden down low. You guys are u underrating basketball experience , and basketball experience vs competition. 

I completely agree. They best college basketball team would have zero chance against the worst NBA team. The NBA is filled the the most elite basketball talent across the world. In the SFA vs. Montverde topic. MVA has multiple guys that will play in the NBA one day and SFA has none. College big men would struggle against Tucker because he is one of the best 300 basketball players in the world, not just because of experience.

[bayou city 713]

5 hours ago, TxHoops said:

Huge difference between football and basketball.  Huge.  There’s a reason they have to stay in college longer (Or have to go to college) in that sport than the others.  Comparing apples and asparagus.  

Bruh I think u missed my point .. I know there’s a difference.  I’m just saying from a competition standpoint. 

the point I’m trying to make is that regardless of sport  it’ll be Very hard for an elite group of kids that are 15-18 to beat college Level kids that are 17-22..one of the main reasons is due to  the 17-22 year old group having faced elite experience and competition. Experience and competition that you can’t replicate on the high school level.. only my opinion tho ..lol 

[TheTruth34]

3 minutes ago, bayou city 713 said:

Bruh I think u missed my point .. I know there’s a difference.  I’m just saying from a competition standpoint. 

the point I’m trying to make is that regardless of sport  it’ll be Very hard for an elite group of kids that are 15-18 to beat college Level kids that are 17-22..one of the main reasons is due to  the 17-22 year old group having faced elite experience and competition. Experience and competition that you can’t replicate on the high school level.. only my opinion tho ..lol 

You’re 100% accurate. Experience definitely makes a huge difference. Talent also matters. If we took MVA’s players when they are 20-22 and matched them against SFA they would win by 40 points or more. Experience is the only reason this is an argument to begin with. 

[bayou city 713]

9 minutes ago, TheTruth34 said:

I completely agree. They best college basketball team would have zero chance against the worst NBA team. The NBA is filled the the most elite basketball talent across the world. In the SFA vs. Montverde topic. MVA has multiple guys that will play in the NBA one day and SFA has none. College big men would struggle against Tucker because he is one of the best 300 basketball players in the world, not just because of experience.

Tucker is a specialist in the nba that knows what his role wit the rockets . He wasn’t a hot  prospect coming out of Ut . He was drafted in the 2nd round and was a journeyman just like a couple of those southland conference players will be , some will go over seas , some into the nba Undrafted and be specialist .. all college players are closer to being a finished product and knowing their roles than High school players

[TxHoops]

5 minutes ago, bayou city 713 said:

Bruh I think u missed my point .. I know there’s a difference.  I’m just saying from a competition standpoint. 

the point I’m trying to make is that regardless of sport  it’ll be Very hard for an elite group of kids that are 15-18 to beat college Level kids that are 17-22..one of the main reasons is due to  the 17-22 year old group having faced elite experience and competition. Experience and competition that you can’t replicate on the high school level.. only my opinion tho ..lol 

No, I get that.  I just don’t think you fully appreciate how good that MV lineup was, despite them literally messing around to a 50 piece win against Yates.  Again, you’ve seen Ben Simmons and D’Angelo play one and done college careers and now in the league.   They literally played 6 mos of college ball before becoming NBA all stars.   That’s what you’re looking at with this MV team (except many think this year’s team was deeper).  So yes, experience matters.   But you’re dealing with a program that has the facilities and training of a college program (and better than many collegiate programs).  And AT LEAST two kids that are going to be lottery picks within a year.  Against a program that has NEVER had a kid of that caliber.  Like I said originally, the SFA team is very good and well coached.  That would be a good game.  But they would beat most if not ALL of the teams in that league. 

[TxHoops]

1 minute ago, bayou city 713 said:

Tucker is a specialist in the nba that knows what his role wit the rockets . He wasn’t a hot  prospect coming out of Ut . He was drafted in the 2nd round and was a journeyman just like a couple of those southland conference players will be , some will go over seas , some into the nba Undrafted and be specialist .. all college players are closer to being a finished product and knowing their roles than High school players

Except not THESE HS players.  That’s where you’re missing the point bruh.  
 

Talk to an NBA scout and ask him where Cade would be drafted, if eligible, in next month’s originally scheduled draft.  Guarantee you it would be top 5.  Barnes would be a first rounder.  Both would be expected to play from the jump.   Then ask them how many first rounders will come from the entirety of the SLC.  

[TheTruth34]

2 minutes ago, bayou city 713 said:

Tucker is a specialist in the nba that knows what his role wit the rockets . He wasn’t a hot  prospect coming out of Ut . He was drafted in the 2nd round and was a journeyman just like a couple of those southland conference players will be , some will go over seas , some into the nba Undrafted and be specialist .. all college players are closer to being a finished product and knowing their roles than High school players

Just think about this. If Cade Cunningham wasn’t forced to play college basketball, odds are he would declare for the NBA draft where he would be a top 5 pick. Instead of just labeling him as an inexperienced high schooler, think of him that way. I don’t want to take anything away from SFA because I saw them play and they are very good and very well coached. We’re just talking about two different calibers of talent. Obviously CC is not Lebron but would you be making this same argument against Lebron’s HS team? Just because he was 18?

[TxHoops]

15 minutes ago, TheTruth34 said:

Just think about this. If Cade Cunningham wasn’t forced to play college basketball, odds are he would declare for the NBA draft where he would be a top 5 pick. Instead of just labeling him as an inexperienced high schooler, think of him that way. I don’t want to take anything away from SFA because I saw them play and they are very good and very well coached. We’re just talking about two different calibers of talent. Obviously CC is not Lebron but would you be making this same argument against Lebron’s HS team? Just because he was 18?

Before they saw Lebron as rookie in the league?  Yes they would be making this same argument. 

[TheTruth34]

29 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

Before they saw Lebron as rookie in the league?  Yes they would be making this same argument. 

I think if everyone in the discussion were familiar with the players and talent on Montverde’s roster, they would understand the gap in ability. 

[TxHoops]

1 hour ago, TheTruth34 said:

I think if everyone in the discussion were familiar with the players and talent on Montverde’s roster, they would understand the gap in ability. 

I’ve posted before, there several guys I see each summer that I think, he’s got a shot to be a pro.  Then there may be one or two that you see and think, this kid is a pro right now.  Summer before last, it was Anthony Edwards (who may go 1 overall in this draft).  Last summer it was Cunningham (and Chet Holmgren who is only a junior now).  
 

Serious question - speaking of Holmgren (who I know you’ve seen many times), this year as a 17 year old kid, what could he have done in a league like the Southland?

[TheTruth34]

18 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

I’ve posted before, there several guys I see each summer that I think, he’s got a shot to be a pro.  Then there may be one or two that you see and think, this kid is a pro right now.  Summer before last, it was Anthony Edwards (who may go 1 overall in this draft).  Last summer it was Cunningham (and Chet Holmgren who is only a junior now).  
 

Serious question - speaking of Holmgren (who I know you’ve seen many times), this year as a 17 year old kid, what could he have done in a league like the Southland?

Like CC, he would be conference player of the year right now. Kids like that are on a different level. He’s 7’2 and would be by far the most skilled player in the conference. Just a different atmosphere of talent. And yes, he is just 17.

[no-look]

Would have loved to see Montverde play this year. Any games or highlights on YouTube?  

[TxHoops]

39 minutes ago, no-look said:

Would have loved to see Montverde play this year. Any games or highlights on YouTube?  

The first is the highlights from the blood bath against Yates.  The second is one is a little longer. 

[TxHoops]

46 minutes ago, no-look said:

Would have loved to see Montverde play this year. Any games or highlights on YouTube?  

Here is the best two HS teams facing off MV and IMG.  Probably the best one to watch to see the level of play at those schools.  And THE rivalry game for both:

 

 

 

[AggiesAreWe]

5 hours ago, TxHoops said:

I’ve posted before, there several guys I see each summer that I think, he’s got a shot to be a pro.  Then there may be one or two that you see and think, this kid is a pro right now.  Summer before last, it was Anthony Edwards (who may go 1 overall in this draft).  Last summer it was Cunningham (and Chet Holmgren who is only a junior now).  
 

Serious question - speaking of Holmgren (who I know you’ve seen many times), this year as a 17 year old kid, what could he have done in a league like the Southland?

Is this a dinner table discussion?

[TxHoops]

59 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Is this a dinner table discussion?

I suppose it could be.  Is that not allowed?

[TheTruth34]

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[no-look]

Lots of talent there for sure. 

[72 Pinto]

Montverde, IMG, Oak Hill, Sunrise, Findlay, etc are all very, very good, but they should be.  They pull talent from all over the country and even the world.  Of course they should strum a school like Yates, who only pulls players from all over Houston.  And a typical high school team only gets kids from their own town or district.  It's not a level playing field, but we're not getting into that again.

Now, Montverde vs SFA or a mid-major is an interesting question.  They'd be more talented and their potential is MUCH higher, but I've heard Marvin Lewis say potential gets you beat.  The difference in the body of a 21 yr old compared to a 16 yr old is huge.  The difference mentally is even more pronounced.  I'd argue that coaching would be in favor of an SFA as well.  Those prep coaches would jump at the opportunity to be a D1 coach.  How much strategy goes into beating high school teams by 50 with a team of all stars?  How much struggle and adversity?  The benefit of going to those prep schools is to practice against the best day in and day out and they serve that purpose.  I don't think Montverde would win a mid major conference though.

[TxHoops]

2 hours ago, HOOPDR3AMS said:

Montverde, IMG, Oak Hill, Sunrise, Findlay, etc are all very, very good, but they should be.  They pull talent from all over the country and even the world.  Of course they should strum a school like Yates, who only pulls players from all over Houston.  And a typical high school team only gets kids from their own town or district.  It's not a level playing field, but we're not getting into that again.

Now, Montverde vs SFA or a mid-major is an interesting question.  They'd be more talented and their potential is MUCH higher, but I've heard Marvin Lewis say potential gets you beat.  The difference in the body of a 21 yr old compared to a 16 yr old is huge.  The difference mentally is even more pronounced.  I'd argue that coaching would be in favor of an SFA as well.  Those prep coaches would jump at the opportunity to be a D1 coach.  How much strategy goes into beating high school teams by 50 with a team of all stars?  How much struggle and adversity?  The benefit of going to those prep schools is to practice against the best day in and day out and they serve that purpose.  I don't think Montverde would win a mid major conference though.

So when Cade Cunningham and Scottie Barnes are the best players on their respective teams in high major conferences in 8 months (Big 12/ACC) - was it this 8 months that made the difference?  Because their bodies won’t look much different.  In fact, Cunningham has an NBA body at 18.  
 

As for coaching, I would imagine Boyle has been offered a TON of mid major jobs.  He’s a legend in HS coaching (coached at St Pat’s in Jersey before Montverde).  Some guys like the HS level, especially when they are compensated like a mid major college coach.  If he ever makes the jump to the collegiate level, it will be to take a head job at a Power 5.  
 

Having said all that, I’m not convinced they would beat SFA either.  But I can’t imagine they aren’t favorites against the other 13 SLC teams.  
 

And Findlay Prep no longer exists.  

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

There is a school from Cali i saw play Hillcrest (Bibby the HC) couple days ago, Prolific Prep, and during the game im thinking no way these kids as loaded as that team was at that time would come close to beating MVA. 

[72 Pinto]

6 hours ago, TxHoops said:

So when Cade Cunningham and Scottie Barnes are the best players on their respective teams in high major conferences in 8 months (Big 12/ACC) - was it this 8 months that made the difference?  Because their bodies won’t look much different.  In fact, Cunningham has an NBA body at 18.  
 

As for coaching, I would imagine Boyle has been offered a TON of mid major jobs.  He’s a legend in HS coaching (coached at St Pat’s in Jersey before Montverde).  Some guys like the HS level, especially when they are compensated like a mid major college coach.  If he ever makes the jump to the collegiate level, it will be to take a head job at a Power 5.  
 

Having said all that, I’m not convinced they would beat SFA either.  But I can’t imagine they aren’t favorites against the other 13 SLC teams.  
 

And Findlay Prep no longer exists.  

I see your point and I think those two will be NBA players.  So will others at Montverde.  Eight months doesn't make a huge difference, but when the gap is two or three years it adds up.  That's not just s&c, but experience, discipline, and maturity as well.  This is why I think the teams dominated by one and done kids don't win as many championships as people think they should.  

[TxHoops]

3 hours ago, HOOPDR3AMS said:

I see your point and I think those two will be NBA players.  So will others at Montverde.  Eight months doesn't make a huge difference, but when the gap is two or three years it adds up.  That's not just s&c, but experience, discipline, and maturity as well.  This is why I think the teams dominated by one and done kids don't win as many championships as people think they should.  

Definitely agree on all that.  It’s just an interesting concept to me.  Just to round out the seniors on that team (well, 5 of the 7, the other two I know nothing about):  

5 are signed to high majors.  Cunningham (Ok St), Barnes (FSU), Sharpe (UNC), Moses Moody (Arkansas), and Zeb Jackson (Michigan).  We’ve discussed the first 3 in this thread (all 3 in top 11 or 12 ranked players in that class) but it’s notable that Moody might also be Arkansas’s best player as a freshman.   And I’ve seen Jackson live several times over the past couple of years.  I think he will be in college the longest out of the five seniors but he can REALLY go. 

[Setx fan]

1 hour ago, TxHoops said:

Definitely agree on all that.  It’s just an interesting concept to me.  Just to round out the seniors on that team (well, 5 of the 7, the other two I know nothing about):  

5 are signed to high majors.  Cunningham (Ok St), Barnes (FSU), Sharpe (UNC), Moses Moody (Arkansas), and Zeb Jackson (Michigan).  We’ve discussed the first 3 in this thread (all 3 in top 11 or 12 ranked players in that class) but it’s notable that Moody might also be Arkansas’s best player as a freshman.   And I’ve seen Jackson live several times over the past couple of years.  I think he will be in college the longest out of the five seniors but he can REALLY go. 

Haven’t watched MV much. But judging by the MV vs IMG video you posted Moody’s shooting is really special 

[TxHoops]

2 hours ago, Setx fan said:

Haven’t watched MV much. But judging by the MV vs IMG video you posted Moody’s shooting is really special 

He’s definitely an elite shooter.  Big shooting guard (6-6 with a nice frame) who can also score on all 3 levels.  Also is really good on the defensive end.  Mr. BG is going to be a big fan.