Vidor vs Silsbee

[Rez]

1 hour ago, Mytwocents3788 said:

Was waiting on someone to use that word lol. But yes I agree. Discipline is how you stop this offense. If you’re not used to seeing it then it may catch you off guard more than a few times. Especially with the wrinkles that Jeff has added thru the years.

I should say, I don't expect Silsbee to have much trouble containing Vidor. My issues with the secondary are in defending the pass. In this case, Silsbee's secondary get to just be extra linebackers. My prediction is Silsbee wins by two touchdowns. I could be wrong though. I think if Vidor could complete ten passes a game (not a magic number, just an estimate) it would change the entire way teams would have to cover them and their run-heavy game would have just a little more space. 

[Hagar]

See they have Silsbee as preseason pick #8 in 4AD2.

Just saw on another site Vidor is #24 in 4AD1.

Seems like DC sees Silsbee winning this one easy.

[aTmfan06]

Not saying Silsbee won’t win. But I’d be surprised if this is more than a 2 score game either way.

[Hagar]

11 hours ago, Physical Atmosphere said:

Vidors gonna handle los tigres, no problemo! 

The biggest problem Matthews has is getting the Pirates to play with the same intensity they played with in 5A.   The teenage mind may be thinking, “We’re in 4A now.  All we have to do is show up & we’ll win”.   If he can lite a fire in their bellies, I think the Pirates could make a decent run in the playoffs.   Region 3 in 4AD1 is not a powerhouse.   I think the Silsbee game will indicate that, one way or the other.

[aTmfan06]

1 hour ago, Hagar said:

The biggest problem Matthews has is getting the Pirates to play with the same intensity they played with in 5A.   The teenage mind may be thinking, “We’re in 4A now.  All we have to do is show up & we’ll win”.   If he can lite a fire in their bellies, I think the Pirates could make a decent run in the playoffs.   Region 3 in 4AD1 is not a powerhouse.   I think the Silsbee game will indicate that, one way or the other.

Yeah I’d be willing to bet that 4A D2 region 3 is a good bit tougher than 4A D1 region 3

[Hagar]

6 hours ago, aTmfan06 said:

Yeah I’d be willing to bet that 4A D2 region 3 is a good bit tougher than 4A D1 region 3

No doubt in my mind.

[Rez]

9 hours ago, Hagar said:

The biggest problem Matthews has is getting the Pirates to play with the same intensity they played with in 5A.   The teenage mind may be thinking, “We’re in 4A now.  All we have to do is show up & we’ll win”.   If he can lite a fire in their bellies, I think the Pirates could make a decent run in the playoffs.   Region 3 in 4AD1 is not a powerhouse.   I think the Silsbee game will indicate that, one way or the other.

It certainly helps that Carthage is in D2 now also. 

[HOTROD309]

The defensive Line for Silsbee will have their way with Vidor. Best chance is to come out passing for Vidor!!

[Eagleborn]

Hard to prepare for a slot T team right out the gate. 

[AggiesAreWe]

12 minutes ago, 4thstring said:

Hard to prepare for a slot T team right out the gate. 

Silsbee has scrimmaged Vidor first week the last two years.

Seemed to handle them ok. They are familiar.

[CardinalBacker]

4 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Silsbee has scrimmaged Vidor first week the last two years.

Seemed to handle them ok. They are familiar.

Does Matthews hold way back during scrimmages like Dubois does?  Dubois wouldn't even let the players wear their normal jersey numbers. 

[AggiesAreWe]

7 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Does Matthews hold way back during scrimmages like Dubois does?  Dubois wouldn't even let the players wear their normal jersey numbers. 

I imagine some things are held back. I watched last year's scrimmage. Neither first team scored in the two 10 minute "live" quarters. Silsbee 2nd team scored a TD and a FG, Vidor 2nd team scored a TD in the other two 10 minute quarters

Vidor ran their Slot T just like I have always seen them run it.

[CardinalBacker]

I didn’t know if all of that secrecy was a Dubois or Matthews thing. We wouldn’t run much of the playbook at all during scrimmages. 

[Hagar]

8 hours ago, HOTROD309 said:

The defensive Line for Silsbee will have their way with Vidor. Best chance is to come out passing for Vidor!!

If Silsbee is crazy enough to pull a Crosby (all 11 within 5 yards of ball), Vidor might do that.   But it’ll surprise everyone if they do.  Vidor passing is scarcer than hens teeth.  Crosby just went all in on stopping the run.   Might be one of the worst examples of coaching ever.  I watched the film on Maxpreps.  They repeatedly filled the box, even after Vidor kept completing passes.

[Realville]

1 hour ago, CardinalBacker said:

I didn’t know if all of that secrecy was a Dubois or Matthews thing. We wouldn’t run much of the playbook at all during scrimmages. 

Matthews doesn’t either just like most other teams.

[Rez]

45 minutes ago, Hagar said:

If Silsbee is crazy enough to pull a Crosby (all 11 within 5 yards of ball), Vidor might do that.   But it’ll surprise everyone if they do.  Vidor passing is scarcer than hens teeth.  Crosby just went all in on stopping the run.   Might be one of the worst examples of coaching ever.  I watched the film on Maxpreps.  They repeatedly filled the box, even after Vidor kept completing passes.

If they would throw just enough to keep teams honest it could be a game changer. 

[Hagar]

11 minutes ago, Rez Ipsa said:

If they would throw just enough to keep teams honest it could be a game changer. 

I agree.  Pleasant Grove runs a Slot T type, but they sling the ball.   First requirement for a Slot T QB is his ability to run.   Finding one that can do that and pass decent is the real trick.

[NetCat]

2 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

I didn’t know if all of that secrecy was a Dubois or Matthews thing. We wouldn’t run much of the playbook at all during scrimmages. 

So like 4 plays instead of all 9?

🤣🤣🤣

[CardinalBacker]

1 minute ago, NetCat said:

So like 4 plays instead of all 9?

🤣🤣🤣

I'm not lying... they wouldn't even let the first team backs on the field during scrimmages.  People were playing all out of position.  I think they looked at the scrimmages as more of a conditioning exercise than anything else. 

 

[NetCat]

Just now, CardinalBacker said:

I'm not lying... they wouldn't even let the first team backs on the field during scrimmages.  People were playing all out of position.  I think they looked at the scrimmages as more of a conditioning exercise than anything else. 

 

Oh I know, just messing with slot T teams. No, most coaches I've met are the same though, won't show as much as possible.

[Mytwocents3788]

20 minutes ago, NetCat said:

 

[Mytwocents3788]

Y’all keep on poking fun at the slot t offense. Vidor’ll make you eat those words.

[Rez]

1 hour ago, Hagar said:

I agree.  Pleasant Grove runs a Slot T type, but they sling the ball.   First requirement for a Slot T QB is his ability to run.   Finding one that can do that and pass decent is the real trick.

Vidor CAN do it. The coach just needs to teach it. 

[Hagar]

1 hour ago, Mytwocents3788 said:

Y’all keep on poking fun at the slot t offense. Vidor’ll make you eat those words.

Imo, if you have an even average passer, and work on it in practice, that offense can be as good as any.   

[Bigdog]

5 hours ago, Mytwocents3788 said:

Y’all keep on poking fun at the slot t offense. Vidor’ll make you eat those words.

It seems to be effective against teams that don’t see it very often, but in district play against teams that see it every year not so much.