Floyd Died From An Overdose Of Fentanyl - Not From Being Choked Out By Minneapolis Police!

[PAMFAM10]

16 minutes ago, stevenash said:

If you are so confident that a completely capitalistic nation is a failure, I would like to see an example rather than your personal perception.  If balance is needed, are you suggesting that there is no balance now?  If there is no balance now, what is needed to achieve more "balance"?

You really need an example on how at 100% capitalistic national would fail. We’d be the United States of rockerfella or Gates.. you understand this right? I thought this was your field.

[stevenash]

3 minutes ago, Setx fan said:

It’s an example of balance we live in that a completely capitalist nation wouldn’t have. Parents would have to fund their own children’s schooling and the school institutions would be able to charge whatever they want with no government regulations. Companies also wouldn’t have a mini wage to pay employees. Might be headed back for slavery but aye maybe that’s ok with you 

My point to you is that there is plenty of "balance" already in this country and the last thing we need is more government intrusion into our lives and the costs that are attendant with the same.  Meritocracy is more productive than central planning.  We do not need more Solyndras or more government involvement in businesses.   Businesses can reinvest their profits and provide more jobs than some bloated bureaucracy can.  So we might be headed back for slavery?  How so?   

[stevenash]

These socialistic leanings might interest you:

Germany has a 47.4% income tax, a `9% VAT tax and gasoline is 6.04 per gallon.

England has a 47% income tax, a 20% VAT tax and gasoline is $6.10 per gallon

 

Italy has a 45.8% income tax, a 22% VAT tax and gasoline is $6.84 per gallon

Greece has a 65% Income tax, a 24% VAT tax and gasoline is $6.83 per gallon

[LumRaiderFan]

10 minutes ago, Setx fan said:

It’s an example of balance we live in that a completely capitalist nation wouldn’t have. Parents would have to fund their own children’s schooling and the school institutions would be able to charge whatever they want with no government regulations. Companies also wouldn’t have a mini wage to pay employees. Might be headed back for slavery but aye maybe that’s ok with you 

Many parents do fund their children’s education, it’s called school tax.

[CardinalBacker]

5 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Floyd was no sweetheart, that's for sure, but if you want to bring up history that may have caused his death, don't leave out history of the guy that killed him.

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I can just about guarantee you that there are lots of cops that said "Well, kinda saw that coming".

Chauvin is apparently a cop that made plenty of bad decisions, too bad one of them ended with a death.

Every video shot during the unrest has somebody screaming "WHAT'S YOUR BADGE NUMBER?!!!!" at the cops.  That's step one of the "Every one around me was speeding, too" crowd's handbook.... file a complaint.  "Let me talk to your sergeant."  Trust me... 1 complaint per year is probably below average.   

I don't remember the numbers, but all but something like 2 were considered without merit. 

People filing false complaints has made the existence of prior complaints against an officer a non-issue.  And that's unfortunate, but false complaints are not the fault of the falsely accused. 

[stevenash]

11 minutes ago, PAMFAM10 said:

You really need an example on how at 100% capitalistic national would fail. We’d be the United States of rockerfella or Gates.. you understand this right? I thought this was your field.

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America is not a capitalist nation it just like to believe it is. I’m not saying I don’t agree capitalism >socialism but come on don’t act like The USA ain’t both. 

[CardinalBacker]

4 hours ago, PAMFAM10 said:

If George was the most horrible Human being alive he did nothing deserving of death with his encounter with those officers. Side note: Robert E Lee the most traitorous man to this nation. Literally responsible for the death of thousands of Americans have statues name across schools and other public buildings so theres that. And why leave out the officers history 🤔 your reaching man. What we all seen on tape was a officer standing on the neck of a unconscious man hands in pocket (if he die he dies). He’s a coward who should be in general population next to bubba who just love the aggressive type.

You and I agree that he didn't deserve the way he was treated.  You and I disagree on whether or not the knee caused his death... that's okay, and I'm kinda tired of talking about it.

If Robert E. Lee was such a traitor, then why was he offered command of the Union Armies before they were given to Grant?  This was from a letter written from REL to his sister upon resigning his commission in the Army and agreeing to help his family fight off the invasion of Northerners.

"Now we are in a state of war, which will yield to nothing. The whole South is in a state of revolution…and though I recognize no necessity for this state of things, and would have forborne and pleaded to the end for redress of grievances, real or supposed…I had to meet the question whether I should take part against my native state.

With all my devotion to the Union and the feeling of loyalty and duty of an American citizen, I have not been able to make up my mind to raise my hand against my relatives, my children, my home. I have, therefore, resigned my commission in the Army, and, save in defense of my native state, with the sincere hope that my poor services may never be needed, I hope I may never be called on to draw my sword."

A man who served 36 years in the military but refused to take up arms against his own family... a traitor? Gimme a break.  What the South did was no different than what the 13 Colonies had done barely 80 years earlier.  You seem to forget that the Colonies formed a Union of States... it wasn't until after the Civil War that we began to see ourselves as a country instead of a confederation of states.  I guess you'd be the kind of sorry person that would fight his own family if it came down to it, huh? 

[Realville]

On 7/12/2020 at 2:53 PM, CardinalBacker said:

I’m telling you.... that’s the problem with everything that’s going on today. People claim to want equality while simultaneously trying to create double standards. It’s schizophrenic. 

Equality with extra rights. Sounds fair. Lol

[Setx fan]

34 minutes ago, stevenash said:

My point to you is that there is plenty of "balance" already in this country and the last thing we need is more government intrusion into our lives and the costs that are attendant with the same.  Meritocracy is more productive than central planning.  We do not need more Solyndras or more government involvement in businesses.   Businesses can reinvest their profits and provide more jobs than some bloated bureaucracy can.  So we might be headed back for slavery?  How so?   

My point is that we have always had Marxist/socialist so stop trying to use those words to deamonize movements. 

[Realville]

On 7/12/2020 at 3:27 PM, Setx fan said:

Not looking to prove anything but your right I do believe they’re different. Doesn’t mean I can’t be wrong. If I’m wrong I was hoping you could explain how I’m wrong. But you gave me affirmation that I’m probably right with how you handled my question. Everything made in opposition against a movement against oppression supports oppression in my opinion. All those other phrases you listed are examples 

What the left fears more than anything are white and black people coming together and loving their country. This why they are doing absolutely everything in their power to inspire a race war. Class and Racial warfare are essential to their party platform. I wish I could take credit for that statement but it was made by Candace Owens and agree with it 100%. I’ve said it before. The race baiters come out hot an heavy when it’s close to a Presidential Election just like clock work. 

[CardinalBacker]

2 minutes ago, Realville said:

What the left fears more than anything are white and black people coming together and loving their country. This why they are doing absolutely everything in their power to inspire a race war. Class and Racial warfare are essential to their party platform. I wish take credit for that statement but it was made by Candace Owens and agree with it 100%. I’ve said it before. The race baiters come out hot an heavy when it’s close to a Presidential Election just like clock work. 

Can you believe it's already been 4 years since Kap started kneeling?  It all started in 2016.  Got kinda quiet in the meantime. 

[Realville]

48 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Can you believe it's already been 4 years since Kap started kneeling?  It all started in 2016.  Got kinda quiet in the meantime. 

Yea I can’t believe it’s been 4 years since the Obama DOJ & FBI started spying on President Elect Donald Trump. The silence is deafening. SMH!

[PAMFAM10]

1 hour ago, CardinalBacker said:

You and I agree that he didn't deserve the way he was treated.  You and I disagree on whether or not the knee caused his death... that's okay, and I'm kinda tired of talking about it.

If Robert E. Lee was such a traitor, then why was he offered command of the Union Armies before they were given to Grant?  This was from a letter written from REL to his sister upon resigning his commission in the Army and agreeing to help his family fight off the invasion of Northerners.

"Now we are in a state of war, which will yield to nothing. The whole South is in a state of revolution…and though I recognize no necessity for this state of things, and would have forborne and pleaded to the end for redress of grievances, real or supposed…I had to meet the question whether I should take part against my native state.

With all my devotion to the Union and the feeling of loyalty and duty of an American citizen, I have not been able to make up my mind to raise my hand against my relatives, my children, my home. I have, therefore, resigned my commission in the Army, and, save in defense of my native state, with the sincere hope that my poor services may never be needed, I hope I may never be called on to draw my sword."

A man who served 36 years in the military but refused to take up arms against his own family... a traitor? Gimme a break.  What the South did was no different than what the 13 Colonies had done barely 80 years earlier.  You seem to forget that the Colonies formed a Union of States... it wasn't until after the Civil War that we began to see ourselves as a country instead of a confederation of states.  I guess you'd be the kind of sorry person that would fight his own family if it came down to it, huh? 

Bro don’t do that while states where more free we had been a country almost 100 years prior. Yes Lee was top choice believe he graduated 1or2 from West Point (Do you think I’m not educated) If my family members decided to take up arms against my country in order to keep there slaves. Right hand to God I would tell them join me on the right side of history or deal with the repercussions. This was nothing like the American revolution. Stop trying to change history. If Texas decided to leave the union and reopen slavery would you stay and help slaughter American lives? In one breath you ask how can the black community rally behind Floyd and on the other side you paint lee as a hero just protecting his family from northern invaders. Maybe you should read up more.

[Setx fan]

1 hour ago, Realville said:

What the left fears more than anything are white and black people coming together and loving their country. This why they are doing absolutely everything in their power to inspire a race war. Class and Racial warfare are essential to their party platform. I wish I could take credit for that statement but it was made by Candace Owens and agree with it 100%. I’ve said it before. The race baiters come out hot an heavy when it’s close to a Presidential Election just like clock work. 

I care nothing about either of these political parties my guy. So once you start that left/right talk you lost me. You want to speak using your own brain and not what’s been taught to you by the left/right wing then I’m listening 

[PAMFAM10]

11 minutes ago, Setx fan said:

I care nothing about either of these political parties my guy. So once you start that left/right talk you lost me. You want to speak using your own brain and not what’s been taught to you by the left/right wing then I’m listening 

My point anybody that disagree with anything on this board is labeled a democrat a liberal communist socialist country hater etc etc. I identify as American only Black but American first. I think the left and right both are batshit crazy

[PAMFAM10]

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[Realville]

14 minutes ago, Setx fan said:

I care nothing about either of these political parties my guy. So once you start that left/right talk you lost me. You want to speak using your own brain and not what’s been taught to you by the left/right wing then I’m listening 

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[Reagan]

28 minutes ago, PAMFAM10 said:

My point anybody that disagree with anything on this board is labeled a democrat a liberal communist socialist country hater etc etc. I identify as American only Black but American first. I think the left and right both are batshit crazy

If the shoe fits wear it!   Have we noticed the only ones complaining about the labels are the ones on the left?!

[Reagan]

2 hours ago, stevenash said:

My point to you is that there is plenty of "balance" already in this country and the last thing we need is more government intrusion into our lives and the costs that are attendant with the same.  Meritocracy is more productive than central planning.  We do not need more Solyndras or more government involvement in businesses.   Businesses can reinvest their profits and provide more jobs than some bloated bureaucracy can.  So we might be headed back for slavery?  How so?   

Steve, trying to talk about capitalism to a socialist is futile!  It's like discussing a cross with Dracula or the Bible with the devil!

[CardinalBacker]

1 hour ago, PAMFAM10 said:

Bro don’t do that while states where more free we had been a country almost 100 years prior. Yes Lee was top choice believe he graduated 1or2 from West Point (Do you think I’m not educated) If my family members decided to take up arms against my country in order to keep there slaves. Right hand to God I would tell them join me on the right side of history or deal with the repercussions. This was nothing like the American revolution. Stop trying to change history. If Texas decided to leave the union and reopen slavery would you stay and help slaughter American lives? In one breath you ask how can the black community rally behind Floyd and on the other side you paint lee as a hero just protecting his family from northern invaders. Maybe you should read up more.

Texas gained its independence in 1936. We joined the US in 1846. 15 years later the Civil war broke out. The same exact Texans had just fought a revolution to overthrow the Mexicans... the idea of bailing out of the Union wasn’t as strange as it seems now. 
The fact remains that Confederate veterans had the same benefits as Union veterans and I’m sure that means nothing to you. Even though people at the time knew that reconciliation was the key, “enlightened” people on the left would like to re-punish the South today. 
The states that seceded in 1861 were no different than the Colonies that declared independence in 1776. 
You’re not being honest with yourself.  If this whole thing suddenly turned into Civil War tomorrow, you wouldn’t abandon your home, everything you’ve worked for, your family, and your friends to go up North and join their army and fight your family out of allegiance to the US. You’ve already admitted that the Founding Fathers and National Anthem mean nothing to you.... but now you’d abandon your whole life to go fight for them? Stop playing, Pamfam. 
The bottom line is this. People today are offended by things they’ve never experienced. “We need to tear these statues down.” I’ve got a better idea... why don’t we all get together and build a monument to our first black president, and put it right there where Robert E Lee has to stare at it all day?

[PAMFAM10]

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

If the shoe fits wear it!   Have we noticed the only ones complaining about the labels are the ones on the left?!

Who on this board is a member of the left?

[PAMFAM10]

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

Steve, trying to talk about capitalism to a socialist is futile!  It's like discussing a cross with Dracula or the Bible with the devil!

This is perfect example. You don’t think like me you must be the devil. Somehow you convince yourself this is a sane way of thinking.

[PAMFAM10]

35 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Texas gained its independence in 1936. We joined the US in 1846. 15 years later the Civil war broke out. The same exact Texans had just fought a revolution to overthrow the Mexicans... the idea of bailing out of the Union wasn’t as strange as it seems now. 
The fact remains that Confederate veterans had the same benefits as Union veterans and I’m sure that means nothing to you. Even though people at the time knew that reconciliation was the key, “enlightened” people on the left would like to re-punish the South today. 
The states that seceded in 1861 were no different than the Colonies that declared independence in 1776. 
You’re not being honest with yourself.  If this whole thing suddenly turned into Civil War tomorrow, you wouldn’t abandon your home, everything you’ve worked for, your family, and your friends to go up North and join their army and fight your family out of allegiance to the US. You’ve already admitted that the Founding Fathers and National Anthem mean nothing to you.... but now you’d abandon your whole life to go fight for them? Stop playing, Pamfam. 
The bottom line is this. People today are offended by things they’ve never experienced. “We need to tear these statues down.” I’ve got a better idea... why don’t we all get together and build a monument to our first black president, and put it right there where Robert E Lee has to stare at it all day?

First of all you do not know me so you can’t fairly tell me how I feel on this issue. I do not wish to change history. The colonies went to war to separate from the crown. To become its own Nation ruled by its own people. The south choose war to keep its slaves. I telling you I will disown a family member in a hurry if they chose to fight for the rights to have slaves. 
 

I can have issue with many things in this country that do not mean I do not love my country or wish for it’s downfall the USA is the only country I will ever call home.

Take the statues of Robert E lee and others and put them in a civil war museum     The confederate flag grant all of them. We are the United States of America.

 

I love the idea of Obama next to Robert e lee but that do nothing for healing only cause more hate. It will be like what Cellini  did to Michelangelo.

[CardinalBacker]

15 minutes ago, PAMFAM10 said:

This is perfect example. You don’t think like me you must be the devil. Somehow you convince yourself this is a sane way of thinking.

Amen... there’s too many “libtards, dimocrats, and Obummers” getting tossed around by the conservative posters on here. 
 

I used to recommend a couple of college level political science courses for anybody that is interested in politics/governance. The liberal bias by instructors was obvious back when I was in school, but it was manageable. It’s nutty over there now, from what I can tell. The professor that actually taught my poli-sci courses at Lamar was Dr. Drury.... He’s the liberal viewpoint whenever they have a political panel on the local news these days, lol.